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(C.R3.01) THE INVISIBLE ENERGY COST OF DISPOSAL/RECYCLING

(C.R3.01.A) RECYCLING SOLAR

It's significant to note that the energy cost of disposal/recycling of photovoltaics is shockingly absent from all net-energy-gain estimates.

“We believe the big blind spot in the U.S. for recycling is that the cost far exceeds the revenue,” Meng said. “It’s on the order of a 10-to-1 ratio.” [01]

Interestingly, studies by Latunussa et al., 2016, Wambach, 2017, Aryan et al. (2018) and Corcelli et al. (2018) agree on the environmental significance of incinerating the halogenated plastics in the backsheet. Unfortunately, as reported by Wambach (2017), if the ‘halogen content is too high, then incineration in a specialized hazardous waste plant must be carried out’, in order to minimize the emission of potentially toxic air pollutants such as hydrogen fluoride (HF). Moreover, the above-mentioned studies provided little information on the impacts of incinerating PV plastics. For example, Corcelli et al. (2018) estimated that the incineration of waste panels releases 0.87 g/m2 of HF, while Latunussa et al. (2016) considered life cycle inventory data for general plastic incineration. [01.b]

Finally, it is confirmed that the low quantity of PV waste collected so far is discouraging investments in industrial processes for PV recycling. However, this situation is not a justification for delaying research in this field, or the problem of managing PV waste is simply postponed to the near future. Claims about the sustainability of PV technologies cannot be fully supported until efficient and environmentally-friendly recycling processes for them have been developed and are deployable. [01.b]

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(C.R3.01.B) RECYCLING WIND

It's significant to note that the energy cost of disposal/recycling of wind-turbines is shockingly absent from all net-energy-gain estimates.

Xcel Energy estimates conservatively that it will cost $532,000 (in 2019 dollars) to decommission [NOT RECYCLE] each of its wind turbines [02]
(C.R3.02) EROEI & ESOEI

Here's some good news. When comparing energy-return-on-investment for both energy production methods and energy storage methods there are some interesting winners and losers.

(C.R3.02.A) EROIE (Energy Return on Energy Invested) [03]

EROEI 106:1 - Nuclear
EROEI 51:1 - Wind
EROEI 50:1 - Hydroelectric
EROEI 31:1 - Coal
EROEI 28:1 - Natural Gas
EROEI 21:1 - Parabolic Solar
EROEI 7:1 - Photovoltaic
EROEI 3.5:1 - Biogas
EROEI 1:1 - Ethanol

(C.R3.02.B) ESOEI (Energy Saved on Energy Invested) [04]

ESOEI 5:1 - Lead acid battery
ESOEI 32:1 - Lithium ion battery
ESOEI 704:1 - Pumped hydroelectric storage
ESOEI 792:1 - Compressed air energy storage

I would once again like to thank PRO for hosting this thought provoking debate.

(C.R3.03) SHOCKING CONCLUSIONS

Let's examine the debate resolution: "Alternative energy can effectively replace fossil fuels"

Don't get me wrong, I wish we could all switch to solar and battery powered cars and call it a day, I really do.

But that's not going to get us to the promised land. We tend to forget about all the strip-mining required to gather all those rare & precious rocks.

It does look like (based on the EROEI & ESOEI data) we need to focus on WIND and COMPRESSED AIR (both surprisingly efficient).

Also, there's a very strong case for microreactors. [05]

Let's examine the debate resolution: "Alternative energy can effectively replace fossil fuels"

Right, I'm going to still say "NO". No they can't.

Solar + batteries is shockingly inefficient. Wind looks promising, but we're still going to need oil and coal and natural gas in order to produce the metals and glass and resins and high-performance plastics required to produce turbines (not to mention all the energy we're going to need to dispose of/recycle the materials).

[01] https://grist.org/energy/solar-panels-are-starting-to-die-what-will-we-do-with-the-megatons-of-toxic-trash/
[01.b] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6591708/
[02] https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/the-cost-of-decommissioning-wind-turbines-is-huge/
[03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_return_on_investment#Additional_EROEI_Calculations
[04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_return_on_investment#ESOEI
[05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtog_gOaGQ

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At what point did we begin to conflate MONEY with MORALITY?

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE OR A JUDGE, THEY CAN LEGALLY LIE TO YOU

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NEVER CONVICT PEOPLE CHARGED WITH LAWS YOU DISAGREE WITH

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I'm afraid that rights are mostly granted by mob democracy. A man's right to life and liberty can be taken away by any group larger, better armed and/or better organized than his. The mechanism is and always has been concerned citizens fighting against the status quo for the betterment of the status quo.

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Try to imagine something.

Just for like, two minutes.

Try to imagine you are born into a remote village.

You don't know what time-period you're in and you don't know what part of the planet you're living on because you're a baby.

Now try to imagine growing up, getting older.

You learn to herd your family's goats and gather grains and carry water.

You fall in love.

You have a child.

You've never seen a book.

Is your life meaningful?

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To clarify, Guiliani is shouting FIRE! in a crowded fire house.

The moviegoers look around, see no fire, and tell Guiliani to shut the fuck up.

Guiliani stands on his chair and weeps " I will not be censored! I myself saw a picture of the fire on a friend of a friend's laptop!"

The moviegoers say "well, where's this fire now?"

Tucker Carlson stands up and says, "It's true! I found an ember that proves there is a fire!"

The moviegoers say, "well, what ember"

Tucker screams, "It's gone! Somebody stole my ember! I am being censored by movie theater management!"

The moviegoerslook around again, see nothing, yell "sit down and shut up, please."

Greyparrot posts to DART, "Wow, this fire at the movie theater is getting out of control!"

In 21 seconds,

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CANCEL CULTURE

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“The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”

EVERYONE USES PERSUASION

HIGHER REWARD = POORER PERFORMANCE

THE REAL 2020 DEBATE

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Civil Asset Forfeiture has obliterated private property. Suspicion = Guilty until proven Innocent.

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"The Golden Rule" destroyed - -

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I shouldn't have to "believe" anything.

If you can demonstrate the logical necessity (and specific formula) of a universal, unchanging, "objective" moral code, then, like a mathematical solution, it would become irrefutable. Just type out the code. Just the PRIMARY AXIOMS.

No faith would be required.

(IFF) you have a strong survival instinct (AND) hope for a better future (THEN) you will do anything in your power to protect yourself (AND) you will do anything in your power to protect your family and loved ones (as it serves priority #1) (AND) you will do anything in your power to protect your property (as it serves priorities #1 and #2) (AND) if you are convinced that priorities #1, #2, and #3 are secure, ONLY THEN are you capable of truly free COOPERATION with others (otherwise you are COERCED).

INTP TV,

How to identify your own BIAS.

HOW TO FIX "FAKE NEWS".

This method, as you've described it here, seems to rely pretty heavily on an "appeal to authority" and an "appeal to popularity". The question of "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie" is 100% OPINION (unless all parties agree on a rigorous and explicit definition of "Christmas Movie"). The conscious intentions and opinions of the people involved in the production of the movie itself are immaterial. For example, an author can intend to make a "GOOD" movie or book or piece of music and if you ask them (the author), they are likely to say the movie or book or piece of music they've created is, in-fact, "GOOD". The true and prerequisite and necessary "starting point" for any serious discussion must begin with a rigorous and explicit (QUANTIFIABLE) definition of "GOOD". All language is a hodgepodge of undefined variables. These undefined variables are the primary source of all miscommunication (differences of opinion).

The "they" (competent and efficient management) is BLACKROCK.

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The Problem of Political Authority

The Standard Argument Against Free Will (TSAAFW)

An intentional (willed, goal oriented) action cannot be "free" (AND) a free action (indistinguishable from random) cannot be intentional (willed, goal oriented).

We "feel free" when we can fulfil our desires, but we do not intentionally choose our desires (we are slaves to our impulses).

"Free Will" is merely an emotion, not a logically coherent FACT.

Why is that your definition of "free"? Indistinguishable from random?
Free of determinism.

Free of influence.

Free of predictability.

Free of history.

Even a little bit free.

Say an action is 1% FREE of influence. That 1% is still indistinguishable from random and incompatible with WILL. The part of your actions that are FREE cannot be influenced by "your will".

This renders your FREEDOM counterproductive (unpredictable, out of your control).

THE SAFETY NET EFFECT,

DECENTRALIZED MESH NETWORKS,

Debate Resolution: "The United States ought to institute a federal jobs guarantee"

PRO:

Speaking from a purely economic perspective (culturally we conflate money with morality), homeless people and prisoners cost the state roughly $20,000.00 per person per year. School children in the USA receive a subsidy of roughly $15,000.00 per child per year. Homeless people & prisoners & school children are unproductive members of society (jobless). It would be a great boost to the economy (culturally we conflate money with morality) if we found some jobs for these individuals (since we also tend to conflate laziness with immorality).

Of course a "jobs guarantee" probably doesn't mean "mandatory labor camps".

CON:

Speaking from a purely economic perspective (culturally we conflate money with morality), a deep, primal fear of becoming homeless and a deep, primal fear of being sent to prison contributes immensely to economic productivity. This fundamental and essential primal fear is what keeps the working class (80% of the country) going to jobs they hate, overlooking safety violations, taking verbal abuse from customers and managers, and accepting extremely low wages (keeping consumer prices competitive).

If these workers were "guaranteed a job", then they would walk away from these wretched, dead-end, often physically dangerous jobs and the nation's entrepreneurs would go out of business. These businesses would probably be replaced by government-run replacements because the government would have a huge surplus of employees due to their "jobs guarantee". This would lead to a totalitarian state, and everybody knows that totalitarian state = teh evil.

Therefore, "The United States ought to institute a federal jobs guarantee" = "totalitarian state" = evil.

IT'S OK TO BE BLANK,

New AI can guess whether you're gay or straight from a photograph

An algorithm deduced the sexuality of people on a dating site with up to 91% accuracy, raising tricky ethical questions

The study from Stanford University – which found that a computer algorithm could correctly distinguish between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and 74% for women – has raised questions about the biological origins of sexual orientation, the ethics of facial-detection technology, and the potential for this kind of software to violate people’s privacy or be abused for anti-LGBT purposes. ***

GOOD ADVICE - THE STRONG TREE,

(IFF) you force businesses to close (THEN) you must provide a safety net

AMAZING TECH - HUMANS ARE OBSOLETE

The most brilliantly pronounced and projected english or french or german or chinese is still a poor carrier of our intent, a very limited bandwidth for the intense compression of data that we're trying to put across to each other,

(IFF) Real-True-Facts can be "non-physical" and "non-logically-necessary" (THEN) how do you propose anyone can distinguish a Real-True-Fact from a NOT-Real-NOT-True-NOT-fact? What mechanism would such a person employ in order to VALIDATE a claim?

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We gather data, check it for logical coherence and efficacy.

We (as individuals) are the origin, our individual curiosity is ground zero.

When you become intellectually aware of your own mental framework and moral instincts.

That is the moment from which you can build outwards.

The point I'm trying to highlight here is that we do not need to know, "the origin of the cosmos" BEFORE we can figure out what to eat for lunch.

Our internal models are built from inside us.

Epistemologically, imagine you are an orphan growing up on a distant planet.

You don't need to know who your parents were and or what they believed or what they thought of you in order for you to find lunch.

We all start with OURSELVES.

You (your earliest flicker of self-awareness) is the origin of you.

Now, you may hear some stories about some god($) or whatever and decide that those are "true" and relegate yourself to "worm" status.

But YOU did that to YOURSELF.

CAPITALISM VERSUS COMMUNISM,
THE GREATEST DEBATE OF ALL TIME,

I remember when I first heard, "randomness does not equal freewill".

I couldn't even comprehend it.

It made absolutely no sense.

My whole mindset was "unpredictable means free".

There are a million things that are "unpredictable" but that does not mean they all have "freewill".

It's actually WAY EASIER to manipulate (socially engineer) people who believe in "freewill".

When the puppets can see the strings, they start asking about the puppeteer.

When the puppets CAN'T see the strings, they just blame themselves and the puppeteer can act with impunity.

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I appreciate your attention. And, yes, good-faith conversation is paramount. We seem to agree (at least generally) that "negative" inclinations are inflamed by "negative" stories, but at the same time they are more of a symptom of how wide-spread individual neglect has transformed what we consider "normal". Have you perhaps heard of Robert Lustig? - -

The Phaneron - The Map Is Not The Territory

If "xbeliefs" are not logically-necessary, I'm not sure what "problem" they're trying to solve. The idea of "the world outside the mind" is a bit strange as an axiom, since we are necessarily trapped in the epistemological prison of the phaneron. In other words, anything strictly "incomprehensible" ("outside the mind") can safely be bundled up within the broad and nebulous category of the noumenon. Why would anyone bother themselves with an undetectable data set?

A statement does not flicker back and forth between being factual and not being factual based on who is observing it. If you cannot understand the concept of a fact that you cannot personally verify, further conversing is fruitless. Please leave me alone. **

"Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."

  • Bertrand Russell

REAL TALK: GOLD

Right now I tend to quit. I don't have to blog, I wasn't on social networks before STEEM.

What's the point of flagging around so indiscriminately and without any general consensus guidelines?
There is more than enough real 'abuse', and then, in anonymized form (usainvote with his delegation of blocktrades, or via the account of theycallmedan, who knew nothing about it), simply using arbitrary criteria - "earns too much" ( and that says someone who almost daily skin out an over-paid Shit-mail, and theCuration sniper at all) or "Comments may not be upvoted with 100%" (yes, and why not? Who decides?). I notice that I just don't feel like doing such children's stuff anymore, especially since it spoils the fun of uninvolved users, for example participants in the "HIVE Soccer Cup".

How can a user who tries so manipulatively and shamelessly to twist the facts like themarkymark be Topwitness and enjoy such support from the main stakeholders? That speaks volumes.

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Since Coin Center’s inception in 2014, we’ve made the narrow application of the BSA a priority. We have argued repeatedly that the only activities performed using cryptocurrency that should trigger surveillance obligations are those in which a person or business has actual control over the cryptocurrency of another person (their customer) and acts on their behalf. This mirrors traditional financial services — we expect that banks (who hold people’s dollar accounts) will be subject to the BSA, but we don’t expect safe manufacturers (who simply build tools that allow persons to hold their own cash or valuables) to be subject to the Act.

The same should be true with respect to cryptocurrency business: only custodial wallet and exchange providers like Kraken and Coinbase should be required to comply with the BSA, and entities that are not third-party custodians, such as individual holders, software developers, miners, full nodes, and multi-sig providers (assuming they don’t have sufficient keys to transact) should never be subject to the BSA.

Working alongside the Uniform Law Commission, we developed model language to define the custodial act specifically so that there is no confusion over to whom regulations should apply. Only those with “the ability to unilaterally execute or indefinitely prevent a cryptocurrency transaction on behalf of a customer” should be regulated. While that model language was intended for consumer protection, it works in any context where defining custody and control is relevant.

Thus far, such efforts have paid off. FinCEN has offered clear guidance explaining that persons who don’t have “independent control” over customer funds will not be subject to the registration and surveillance requirements of the BSA. That guidance came in May of 2019, and we believe it is excellent. In it, FinCEN lays down the basic principle: you must have independent control over customer funds to be subject to the law, and FinCEN offers specifics for various activity fact patterns, including decentralized exchange tools:

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Step 1, translate the United States Constitution into a logically coherent document with quantifiable metrics. Step 2, rewrite the entire American legal code to comply with the quantifiable metrics detailed in Step 1. Step 3, write this logically coherent set of rules into actionable computer code (this is surprisingly the easiest of the 3 Steps). **

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