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Pieces suggestion to complete Zodiac

enderluck (41) in hive-135459 • 4 years ago

I'm not too sure about the value too, I do my best.

Aries
In my opinion L magic is much worst than straight line (FE). A fire elemental can target easily 3 enemies at the same time. I use Fire Elementals to kill all enemy minions while threatening the enemy champions easily.

What do you think about the new passive? After you kill a creature with magic, you can't use it again until you kill an enemy unit with melee. Would you have a better way of redacting it? I used the term "Unpowered" and "Powered" to not having to write twice that you can't use magic.

Cancer
I completely disagree that this unit is better than Phalanx. It has is pro and cons.
Yes, its mobility is better, but Phalanx has:

Displacement Immunity as you said.
Better cardinal attack on all tiers, which is very important.
The Pike's ability, that allows it to kill an enemy with Knight movement, which is amazing against, Knights, Dragons, Soulkeepers, Alchemists and more.

Capricorn
I based in on harpy. The idea of having Freeze at high levels after the Splash is based on the Hydromancer, which has melee attack after the Splash.

Leo
Maybe you are right, I haven't thought about Behemot. Be aware that a lot of minions can still kill it. Even a Leo+++ can be killed by some minions if it hasn't got any kill.

Libra
I haven't thought on Lich combo, but CEO has already other broken combos (Behemot/Minotaur) (Gravitymage/Thundermage/any piece with petrify/freeze/splash)

Pisces
This unit has two abilities:

Splash which is the one that you can see on the board.
Icicle which is only available while someone is frozen with this unit's splash.
Icicle allows you to kill creatures at range, but only after freezing them.

Sagittarius
This unit is more expensive than a Ranger, so it is a bit expected to surpass it. However, it lacks on the cardinal ranged attack, so you can't do what I have said with the Fire Elemental early, instead, you have better mobility. Maybe tier ++ should cost a bit more. I have compared the high tiers with Dragon.

Scorpio
Yes, I didn't put the trigger ability at range even at higher levels because it would be too op. I make that the unit lose value after using the trigger ability to not try to rush Scorpio and trigger as many units you can (remember that Enchanter's protection doesn't break on magic). Maybe I should increase the value lose, so you have to use it wisely.

Virgo
Remember than enemy King is not considered a Champion, so a King can kill Virgo. Additionally, at all tiers Virgo has only kingmove attack so a Virgo alone can never kill a King.
In addition, it can't be attacked by champions, but champions can use magic against it (freeze, wind, splash, etc). The only thing I'm not sure if Lightning from a Thundermage or Poison from a Poisonmage would be able to kill Virgo, I'm not sure if those magics are considered "attacks".

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4 years ago by enderluck (41)

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kerdonmike (48) · 4 years ago (edited)

Ares - You're right that FE has 3 targets on 2-distanced row ahead. Ares has 4 forward targets :). The advantage of L imo is that there are many more pieces able to defend themselves in straight line distance 2 (vs FE, so FE cannot just step into the square to threaten them), than vs L (Ares can step in and threaten them unchallenged). Needing kill for each magic certainly and significantly tones the magic use down.

Cancer:

Displacement immunity on Phalanx is disadvantage, I'm not sure why you list it otherwise :) . You can't swap / push it for bigger move / step than 1 (own movement speed, err, I mean slowness).
Phalanx has better attack, but how many turns you usually need to take with it, before it can attack (as either good trade, or 2-kill threat thx to block) ? Cancer can move once , and already threaten 2-kills starting next turn, higher tempo on the threat.
Pike's ability is nice, but only after Phalanx fullfills his purpose, or takes 1st target before dying to use Pike. You don't put Phalanx out just to be taken by those examples, without anything else. Again, it takes lot of time for Phalanx to get to killing, which also means Pike's ability. Moreover, thanks to that slowness, unblockable defenders have much easier time keeping up with Phalanx (circling around, trying to find a spot to break through). Defense is harder against Cancer - you might need better mobility on counters, or more of them to cover bigger area.
And - the armor removed only by 1 square - if Phalanx breaks in, you know that 1st regular melee would be sacrifice for taking out armor, and 2nd can kill him. With Cancer (++ or +++), 1st attack is sacrifice, 2nd attack is 88 % sacrifice, 3rd attack is 75 % sacrifice, ... purely as math calculation, that is average of 3.6 sacrifices, before armor is gone completely :) . As situation within game, Phalanx (or all-round armor in general) is so strong, just because of that 1 sacrifice needed, if counter isn't present. Power = kills[1 -> 2 ]. For Cancer, how better is Power = kills[1 -> 2 (in same situation as Phalanx) -> 3 with real chance -> already game over :) ] ?

Pisces - If I understand it correctly, the splash also comes from icicle, so it can combo / chain itself (if there are targets continually next to each other), and keeps killing units each turn, which maybe are even further away from where the first push happened. Uff, freeze theme was just a frosting on the cake, its a machine-gun with range growth :) .

Virgo - What I mean:

Virgo can alone get next to King, for King to kill him, and the other ally of Virgo retakes King. Yes, magic / ranged champions can stop him, minions can too. But said from other POV / side - no amount of melee champions can stop him - seems as very strong King threat, among the best in-game, for pretty low cost.

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enderluck (41) · 4 years ago

I understand.

Sidenote: Pisces doesn't make a chain reaction. Icicle doesn't count as Splash. Frozen creatures by Icicle can't be attacked by another Icicle, you have to freeze them with Splash.

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