College and High School Students are often assigned similar essays from similar classes
If you learn about "American History" in Elementary School, Middle School, High School, and again in college, chances are, you will receive very similar assignments from each of your teachers.
Turning in the same exact essay, for two different classes, is considered plagiarism.
It does not matter if it is your own work, and your own words. You are expected to write new, fresh essays every time an work is assigned.
Self Plagiarism Is Real
The previous description is called self-plagiarism and carries across into the "real" world.
As a freelance writer, if I try to sell the same piece to two different content mills, it is considered plagiarism.
It does not matter if I kept the rights to the work when I published. It does not matter that both sites have very similar reading demographics. It does not even matter if neither publication paid me.
Turning in the same work at two different places is considered self-plagiarism and is extremely looked down upon.
The Split of the HIVES Blockchain Created Lots of Plagiarists
When you write one article and post it on two blockchains, you are in a way being a self plagiarist.
It is your work, and your content, and you should be able to do with it as you please, but cross posting, without so much even a nod at how you are posting the exact same content in several places is a form of self plagiarism.
A simple blurb saying you are cross posting is enough
This post has been previously posted on ...
(Please note that I have posted this idea, but this is completely fresh content)
Another way, is to write an intro to your post, and then write:
You can see the full post here Making sure to link where the full post can be found.
Your Cross Posting is hurting both blockchains
When you cross post, you are duplicating the content on both search engines.
This means that both blockchains are getting weaker and weaker every single time you cross post.
Google and other engines don't know where the original content is, and who the copier is.
We already had all our content copied over, continuing to copy content is hurting every single blogger on both chains.
When you cross post, you are Building Your Reputation at the Cost of the Blockchain
The double rewards you receive, the extra eyes you get on your content. It is all at the long term price of both projects.
Bring in the different front ends, and here we are, shooting ourselves in the foot.
If we want long term growth, we need more original content.
The rules of plagiarism have become blurred
And the rules will keep changing and evolving as the digital era makes knowledge more and more common.
I learned these rules regarding plagiarism, from years of teaching and attending school.
Perhaps 100 years ago, I would have had to quote and cite where each and every single one of my ideas was seeded. I no longer have to do that as the digital era has made much of this information "common knowledge."
Whatever direction we decide to take writing, and sharing knowledge, let us make sure we don't do it while hurting ourselves with lazy cross posting.
It really is as easy as letting readers know that there is similar content out there.
thank you for your comments especially the ones about disagreement, it helps me I know that you are reading my words and considering them
Dear @metzli
We in project.hope disagree with an idea, that cross-posting is in any way form of plagiarism. Especially between steem and hive blockchain.
The fact is, that HIVE (during HF23) copied all content without asking any user for their permission. By doing that, they created
precedent.Many new members who are becoming part of our PH community has been asking questions about our community approach towards STEEM and HIVE and cross-posting between those two.
I personally do not see a problem with cross-posting to both chains. Apart of the facts mentioned above, it's important to point out that from legal point of view it has nothing to do with plagiarism - as long as we are legaly an owner of published content.
Cheers,
@project.hope
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You are correct. Legality is not an issue ethics is.
You own your words and writings of course and it is your choice what you do with it - but cross posting hurts both chains and that should be taken into consideration when cross posting.
Thank you for your opinion. Disagreement and discussions are good and I appreciate you taking time to read my work.
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I forgot to mention the precedent of HIVES copying all our work. I was not in agreement with that, but responding by cross posting all my work is not a solution, it is a magnifying of the problem.
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Again, thank you for your opinion @metzli
Example has been given to the world. It's simple as that. Cross-posting for many people is solution.
Also you've mentioned that HF23 didn't impact price of steem. I'm not sure if you're actually for real. I cannot somehow take it seriously. Basic understanding of economy should be enough to understand, that it had a crashing effect.
Increase of price had more to do with the fact, that Justin Sun is pumping his own resources to maintain price of STEEM and counter-balance dumping of STEEM by those who created and promoted hive chain. Your reasoning is really not valid.
Right now, I even more disagree with your view on this topic and I'm closer to majority of users, who shared their opinion.
Yours, Piotr
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I think there is no problem with the duplicate content, you own your words and your thoughts and are free to use them as you like.
I think it is an exaggeration to say that it hurts steemit and hive, I think it is an incorrect analysis, on the contrary I think that both chains benefit
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This may be considered unethical to some extent but, as there is no law regarding it, one cannot say that the act of cross posting is equivalent to plagiarism.
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You started your ideas in a very solid and precise way, but then you became ambiguous.
If you affirm with so much conviction that publishing the same content in different spaces is "self-plagiarism" (which for me does not exist), then you should not argue that:
Nor do I see how the chains are hurting. That explanation you gave about search engines is very weak.
Friend, both posts are original. They are original creations of the author.
To finish, I simply must say that I do not agree with you.
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Your disagreement is noted.
A blurb telling that you are cross posting changes the beginning of the content, alerts your readers, and is a watered down way of quoting.
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Have a witness !BEER
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I didn't manage to write a short comment, so I posted a brand new article instead. You can find it here: https://steempeak.com/hive-175254/@unbiasedwriter/is-cross-posting-plagiarism-is-it-good-behavior-further-thoughts
By the way, a really great writing and I enjoyed your thoughts a lot!
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Thanks for your response. I see that your post also generated some interesting comments.
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hi @metzli
Unfortunatelly, I also disagree.
If we own content, then we shall be able to post it on our blog, our linkedin, steem, hive, facebook, twitter or any other platform out there. Based on your idea, this shall not be allowed. Which I fully disagree.
Can you imagine situation, where someone would downvote you for posting something first on your twitter and then on steem/hive and accusing you of plagiarism? That would be ridiculous.
Personally, I recommend to post on both chains. Different traffic and some extra $$$ in rewards - which allows us to cover loss caused by HF23 (which obviously impacted price of STEEM in negative way).
ps.
Consider joining our discord sever: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW
Yours, Piotr
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Downvotes were not mentioned. I see downvotes as more of a police action by others and my post was more about self reflection.
Cross posting like you mentioned in different mediums is done often. I prefer it when it is more network building. A post in Facebook with a picture of your graphic and a
blurb pointed to your blog grows your network, as does publishing a quote on twitter.
I am exploring the new norms in self publishing and happen to feel that cross posting is a form of reward milking. Some are ok with that - here I post why I am not.
As to the steem price being hurt by the fork, I disagree. Before the sale/merger/fork steem was sitting at 0.12 USD now it sits at 0.20.
The block chains are different and will not grow to their full potential until they get enough bloggers sharing unique content. Cross posting keeps them like identical twin sisters with mirrored personalities when in reality they are more like a clone who decides to change their look by dyeing their hair, getting tattoos and changing their clothing style (my analogy needs work, lol, but I still think I’m making my point).
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Dear @metzli
Thank you for your prompt and polite reply.
I hope you don't mind, that I will share your publication with all core members of our PH community. I actually want them to know what is our official stand on this issue, as well as I like to read their own feedback.
Again, I appreciate your mature reply,
Yours, Piotr
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THank you for sharing. I enjoyed seeing all the extra comments on my post, even if they are in disagreement.
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Dear @metzli
Glad to see how responsive and polite you are :)
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Hi, I see this issue somewhere on the edge. I cannot say it is purely good or evil bad. And you know what? I do this from time to time with some type of content.
Here is the question - what about Actifit reports posting both on Steem and H!VE? And what about YouTubers, who put their video on 5 different platforms? Are they misbehaving if they put it at the same time? Not sure with the answer...
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All of our tribes do create a gray area. When they first came out, I tried to make different content for each tribe. It was nearly impossible because of how they were set up. The result has not been so good as there are very, very few tribes who have actually been profitable and have a list of dedicated users. Most became a money grab to the bottom, something I don't wish to see for either blockchain.
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I think if you feel you need to add value to the both chains you should. I don't buy this concept tho..
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Hi @metzli
Thanks for sharing this nice post within PH.
I disagree with your thought that we can't cross post our original content. Its like a content that I shared on Facebook should not be shared on twitter or medium.
Its simple that I can share my content anywhere if it's my own and there is nothing wrong with this.. thanks
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I do believe that a link back to the original post should always be provided, though that may change with pen-names since google tags everything
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If we understand the true meaning of plagiarism, then this discussion wouldn't drag. Copying someone else's work is plagiarism. Using your work is not. Even in the world of writing,an author is free to use and share his work across platforms. We need to separate search engine weaknesses from plagiarism. Every system has its weakness. That search engines have no algorithm to identify where a published work that was first shared originated, is a weakness of search engines as a technology, and not an indication or proof or supporting argument for plagiarism.
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Totally agree with you... Readers are our main priority, not search engines.
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There are many ways in which we can evaluate this, I am going to cite the example you give of a student doing the same work for two teachers, if they only focus on asking the author for original content and allow him or her to submit the same work, which is the problem, if in the end the condition must be placed by each teacher.
Here the teachers are the two chains, and until now the two teachers allow as long as the content is from the author to publish the same content in both chains, now it depends on the requirements of each community if they allow the same content in both chains.
This is a rather subjective issue that can be carefully discussed and evaluated to see what alternative approaches are possible.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response.
The teachers/communities may accept the same content, but the principal/Search engines may not.
My point here is that cross posting hurts both economies, just like turning the same work into both teachers hurts your education (by not forcing you to expand in your new ideas or reconsider your stance).
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Well said @carlos84
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@metzli I totally disagree with this view, Because it's author's content and he has the freedom to publish it anywhere he likes.
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Actually one, has the right to his writing. However, when visitors come to two sites with the same contents, what will they say? The first things that is a kind of copy contents. That's the problem. Search engines are not friendly to similar contents because the algoritm of search engines will identify as spams.
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Yes, we each own our content.
Yes, the search engines see this as copying.
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Sounds a little bit funny, because even researchers do publish their works on different platforms. For me, there's no correlation between cross posting your original works and plagiarism.
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Self plagiarism is funny that way, you may not agree with it, but still is what it is.
If a researcher publishes the same works on different platforms because they are syndicated, that is one thing, but an established researcher simply copying and pasting from magazine to magazine would be looked down upon. No magazine wants to publish exact content - and our block chains need us to respect them much the same way so they can continue growth.
When cross posting we make our readers choose which chain they prefer to read our work on. When we vary our topics we force readers to visit us on both.
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No, when we have different readers on these blockchains, then the need to get to as many people as possible becomes paramount to "respecting the blockchain" I don't see any issue in cross-posting recent works. I detest plagiarism, so comparing it to plagiarism is a bit too much.
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There is no correlation here. Someone that owns both blogs can decide to post their own work on both. I also remember there is an app on steem that crossposts between steem and wordpress. As long as it is the person's work and he owns both blog, he can choose any chain to publish his work (or both).
More so, this is blockchain and we are all advocating for freedom of expression without censorship, as long as it is the person's own work.
Hive and steem are not the only social blockchain, people have been crossposting to whaleshares, weku, smoke, etc. I don't see any problem in it
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There is a correlation but correlation does not mean agreement.
Many people don’t see a problem with it, I do, and stated why.
Times are changing and I may be moving in the direction you are, but for now, I am keeping my opinion, and an extra hive/steem token to cross post (aka spam networks - and flag them as copiers to search engines) is not worth it to me at the moment.
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very good point buddy
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Hello @metzli
First, welcome to Project.hope, it's always good to see new people sharing publications and more if they are about topics that can lead to go beyond, I think this is one of them.
I've heard that before about self-plagiarism, it made a lot of noise, I thought it was absurd, but I understand the point you want to make. Putting that was previously published on another platform, I don't disagree with that. In fact, I'm going to do it. But, one must, because it is a personal creation, be able to share it wherever one wishes. Unless the rules of the other platform are very explicit in this regard, but, a blockchain with those limitations I think I would lose more than I would gain.
But it's an interesting approach. Very good writing, I liked reading it. I hope to keep seeing you around.
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Your analogy is wrong @metzil. You would have been right if Steem and Hive were names of colleges or courses. This is blockhain, not a class nor a college. A user has full ownership and copyright of his own content. You can take that to the bank!
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I see the blockchain more like magazines. Magazines that publish the same content get readers that choose
either one or the other. We want readers to read both.
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hello @metzli
I am disagree with you.
Starting from the point where both chains moved the content from one to the other, from then on (logically)the chain itself became a self-plagiarism, which is absurd in all respects.
On the other hand, if the different media publish a story already made by another medium, the same would happen, then it is absurd to try to "normalize" that concept of "self-plagiarism".
"From my point of view, we should focus on building solutions that lead us to make the experience in both chains more pleasant and not promote concepts that strengthen the opposite."
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Steem Blockchain did not copy content from any other chain.
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I mean when the hf was done all the content was moved from here to hive.
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Exactly: Hive "plagiarized" all the content that was in Steem.
Here we find a situation that brings a lot of controversy:
Hive copied all the content, but giving the authorship of it to its original creators, so perhaps we are not in the presence of plagiarism, but this idea is debatable.
On the other hand, the entire concept and design of the blockchain, its total economy, standards, protocols, Dapps, consensus system ... everything was copied in full detail.
I think I should write a post about this.
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is correct, so in this case the correct thing would be that all the content "copied" or "moved" had errata faith indicating what was done, because speaking from an ethical point of view is what should have been done from a beginning.
And yes, it is a good idea to post about this topic, I will try to find a time to do it.
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Hugs, Brother of mine!
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I would like to read that post, please share.
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It'll be a pleasure.
Btw: Nice to meet you! I like your writing.
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When I think of all those school essays I think there was one think in common. There used to be some guidelines in terms of topic, word limit or some kind of expectation that you were suppose to meet.
I look at the content created on steem/hive or any other platform in a slightly different light. Here you have creative freedom.
In real world suppose you make a movie and release it in the theaters. The movie becomes a hit and you release its DVD version.
You also sell its overseas movie rights
So are you plagiarizing? I do not think so. Every creative person has a right over his own creative piece and has a right to make it reach as many eye balls as possible.
Your creative post on steem or hive is similar to that and one has the right to crosspost.
I would also like to draw focus on another point which goes unnoticed.
Once you post you earn for a period of 7 days when you get paid.
However if your content continues to draw audiences the platform continues to have the potential to earn beyond the 7 day period by way of displaying adverts on the page.
I feel going forward there should be a model to share that revenue with the author.
Any thoughts on this?
@crypto.piotr @project.hope what does our community think about this aspect?
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Both cases are different. let's say i am writing a content and selling it. so i can't sell same article to multiple buyers. and this is true. After i sold that article, new owner can publish it anywhere he want. he can use it with his own way.
but if i am not selling that article and wanna make some money by sharing that article in different blockchain blogging platforms then i can do it because it is my work.
sorry my friend but i disagree. Hope you got it.
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Where there is no rule, there's no sin.
If you come to visit me, and I tell you not to wear you shoe to my living room, then you must not wear it to my living room. If you violate it, it becomes a sin.
If a platform place a rule to guide the platform and it's not in any book of law, you are bound by that rule, else, you are not permitted to use the platform.
Even if stuffs like "Self Plagiarism" exists and it isn't stated in the TOC which should be complied to on any platform, then it should not be a crime on any of the platforms I wish to share my content which I own all copyright to.
Which is why I will disagree with your idea here. I might not disagree elsewhere if such rule exists prior to my engagement on such platform.
Thanks
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This, no doubt, is a topic from various points of view, mine is the following:
Both Steemit and Hive are communication channels that "probably" pay for the content of your ads or publications, but they are still only "channels", publications of big business chains move through various TV and radio channels without modifying their content.
However, if there were a minimum reward to limit the author's right to use the publication, it would be something different. In universities it is not that it is considered plagiarism, but that as one advances the quality of the content must change, no one usually thinks the same way during 3 stages of study, an idea, a new form will be developed by simple logic of understanding.
In this life everything is relative, just as it is considered damage that we publish on various platforms, it is also considered damage that we do not support a publication, a Forum should be generated on this point.
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Hi @metzli
Welcome to HP, very good post which you focused on with a fairly discussed topic.
Likewise, I respect your opinion in relation to the subject despite not sharing it, particularly in relation to the publication of the original contents of our authorship on more than one platform, based on whether the content is totally original and belongs to me, it is controversial You can not publish it on other blockchaim, as long as these platforms do not prohibit it.
Regarding Google, I agree with what was argued by several users previously.
Thank you for sharing your reflection on the subject.
Greetings @janettyanez
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I consider myself like an amateur neutral journalist. So cross-posting is just publishing on 2 different newspapers with different owners. One is pro China while other one is pro NATO. You get my drift?
If you are suggesting we use only one platform, then it is obvious we use the one that always gives the better rewards.
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LOL!
Seriously though, if I owned a newspaper company and saw that you were posting the same content you gave me somewhere else, I would stop publishing your work.
Blockchains are not newspapers though and this is where the gray area comes in.
I don't suggest you use only one platform, I suggest you choose a main one, and mention that your work has been previously published on the other one.
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I will illustrate my opinion. The playstation company has several accounts within the same social network of you tube they publish the same game trailers in all their accounts. It's the same trailer on different accounts and obviously those posts generate rewards.
Star wars trailer on playstation account
Star wars trailer on playstation Europe account.
same trailer on the same social network, I don't see the problem and nobody sees it
here is the facebook of Cristiano Ronaldo
Cristiano Ronaldo instagram
same pictures , different social networks and also receive rewards for those photos.I really don't want to expand on this topic. so I leave it up to here
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Educational institutes use software to check our work to see whether we have copied for elsewhere. It is true that we probably will not be allowed to submit the same work to two different classes. On the other hand, I do agree that what content creators have created, they do have the right to their work and where they want their work to be posted. Perhaps unique post that is not posted elsewhere can have higher chance to be picked up by search engine but authors who want to earn multiple income would to be rewarded well for the precious time used to create the content so they choose to post on more than one platform. The chance of incentive reward is higher when post on more than one platform but the uniqueness of the post becomes less significant. There is really no right or wrong but different perspective and the purpose of it behind.
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Well I don't think cross positing is plagiarism. For example if an author who's published sells his book in a meeting won't be still sell that book in a different place entirely? Provided originally is guaranteed one doesn't write for only one market. This is the marketing aspect
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If you publish a book with one publishing company, and then publish the same exact work with a different company with no changes, acknowledgements or permission from the first publisher, it is most definitely self plagiarism. If it is a self published book sold on different mediums than that is a different matter.
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My Content is my own content and I own the copy rights for it. Who dares to sue me for what belongs to me.
I have various and different followers on the different social media platforms such as steem and hive. Why can't I let all of them know what I am up-to?
Cross posting or not cross posting, all have no problem. It is the author's liberty and he should feel free to do anything with his work.
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Hello dear @metzli, thanks for being here, you are welcome to Project HOPE.
First of all I want to apologize for my slowness to understand this topic, for me to say "self-plagiarism" is like saying that I am stealing from myself, which is very strange since what is mine I can use wherever and whenever want.
Secondly, after all the things that have happened, making this publication here seems to me more like persecution than education.
Lastly, if we take out everything you've explained about search engines and those technical issues that I don't understand much about, what you're trying to argue is as if a singer were invited to two different television shows, he would sing the same songs and you get paid for it, you won't be charged for it.
This is without foundation, I highly respect your opinion on this topic, however, we all have rights to express our opinion and think that we are right, I respect a topic even if we are wrong.
That's just my opinion!
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Thank you @metzli for your nice topics. Here I want to mentioned two points:
I am fully agreed with your above line, but
Disagree with self-plagiarism matters in case of cross posting for non-research contents.
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Your introduction of this topic was making quite a lot of sense but when you get to the middle, you tend to divert.
As me, I don't really think there is an offence in cross posting. If the person writing the post is the rightful owner of the post, then cross posting is not wrong.
Okay what about those fans page or football or any celebrity page which always share the same news both on Facebook and their Instagram page, I guess those also are involved in plagiarism.
In as much as the writer is the owner of the post crossing, there is nothing wrong or let me say no offence should be taken to it
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As a writer who cares about my craft, being compared to a football player with a facebook account is not a valid form of comparison, just like to a football player, me telling him how he should train should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Definitely an interesting topic. To be honest, I kind of feel weird to post the same thing on hive and steemit but the same time it is my own post so I feel okay to do so. And I don't see how it is hurting both chains.
Platform like reddit has it own cross posting feature and everybody is posting the same thing to different subreddits. It so it looks spammy at times but that is their business model... so like you said, things a changing in this "digital era", the way we post is changing too?
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It felt weird to me to. I let myself sit in the weirdness of it, and finally came up with an opinion that I put words to.
Seeing all of the responses leads me to believe that although most people here disagree, it is a topic that deserves consideration.
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Yeah that is for sure! All my UCSD memories came back lol
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Oh Nice! SDSU Aztec here :)
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Nice!!!
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It surely is @metzli
I love to see how responsive you are. Seriously, great job!
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I am working on a post now regarding syndication, as I think many of the responders here are confusing the two.
I am having to brush up on the syndication "rules" (in parenthesis, because who makes up publishing rules, and how do they affect blockchain publishing).
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When you are the original owner and you want to reach a different audience of your work. It is ok to share it on other social networks, otherwise; you are limiting the people you can reach.
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This post have gotten lots of engagement already, I am just keeping it short.
Sorry dear I will have to disagree with you on this. Sharing your content across different blockchain does not makes you a plagiarist, it is your content and whatsoever you do with it is up to you.
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I kinda understand the idea of self plagiarism as you explained it, and I agree that a simple message indicating the source of the original post could solve the problem.
That being said, when there is no legal statement that makes something wrong, then it cannot be considered as an offense. My personal opinion is that as long as you are using the same username on different chains, you can post same content there. This will however be different if you are using different usernames.
Consider also that the blockchain content creation platforms like hive are social media platforms, although more meaningful contests are being created on the blockchain. Most people however do not get rewards that measure up to the efforts that they put into their work. This therefore should let content creators be free to do as they wish with their contents.
It will be a bit challenging for a user to indicate on either hive or steemit that his original content is from the other chain, because this will only mean less support and might even attract downvotes.
My submission therefore is that until there is a legal statement or document that criminalizes crossposting, it is not an offense, and I do not see how it harms the chain.
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Ethics and legality are often different. We must ask ourselves, is our writing a craft, or a simple form of creating tokens?
I see my writing as a craft, and pay attention to the ethics of it.
The black and white is all murky, but I do my best to stick to my self imposed standards, which were picked up when studying literature. Of course, blogging is not literature, and there is no governance, only opinions.
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@metzli, I see that u really hold your opinion strongly; going by the replies you gave every comment on here.
This is not a debate. And I don't want to start to go into the details about whether cross posting hurts STEEM or HIVE chains. You only posted your opinion; which of course is subjective.
I enjoyed reading your article but I'm not in the slightest considering the content of it. Cheers!
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Hello @metzli, i really like your post and i intend to make this comment as short as possible so i will be giving straight comments.
If you are a freelance writer, then you own no word you write. All rights are reserved by the person who pays for the writing. For steemit and Hive, it isn't freelancing, it is blogging your content.
Every single blogger is an separate entity and can decide to post their contents on different platform from reddit, medium, steemit, hive, golos and so on because the intention is to meet different audience. There are several people on steemit who will not blink an eye to hive, also there are so many people on hive who has completely turnes a blind eye to steemit. So as content creators, giving our audience our writing on different platforms isn't plagiarism.
Plagiarism isn't a crime against the platform, it is a crime against the author. The platform never sues for plagiarism but the author does.
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Freelancers have contracts whether they are paid or not. In the contract it is explicitly stated where and when you can reshare your work and after how much time.
If you are a freelancer and don't receive a written agreement as to the ownership of your work, you are entering gray and murky waters with your ownership.
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I'm a freelancer and I don't have a contract... I can send anything wherever I want... Publisher reserved right to modify or amend anything I send to them. That has worked for me since around 2001.
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That is very interesting. Every freelancing piece I have had published has come with a contract, or short agreement of expectations. Of course, those pieces that do not get accepted for publication, for the most part mean that I still have 100% ownership, with the exception of a few places I submitted work to early on (I don't fall for those traps anymore).
I usually don't accept to write for places who will significantly change my work or publish changed works without me approving first.
I also have not had the experience of being published without the published parties letting me know the expectations of who owns the work and what I can and can't do with it.
Even with ghost writing, how I share ghost written work is usually very limited. For the most part, it is expected that I can share a paper copy for a perspective client to see that will not show where it was published or what name it was published under.
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I mostly write to newspapers, so all they do is add images and make sure there isn't anything too controversial... Almost always they have not touched the actual text except reflowing it, even if it criticizes our government.
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Good to hear. If you would be willing to share who you write for, I would be very interested in hearing about it, and of course, the pay.
Always looking for new opportunities.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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I mostly write for local newspapers, including "Turun Sanomat".
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Thank you. I have tried local newspapers here in California and have had abysmal luck.
I am zoning in my niche (on the hives side, writing mostly about fintech), and will be reapplying soon with those credentials.
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Dear @metzli
Fair enough. What is this contract doesn't state all those details?
Yours, Piotr
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It is the responsibility of the writer and the publication to clarify those points.
Unfortunately sometimes publishers and writers both think guidelines are implied which can lead to problems down the line.
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Very well said @gbenga
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Mentioning cross-post on Steem/Hive is seriously bad idea due to all the recent hostilities between the development teams and some of the community members... None of us want our precious token confiscated because we s-u-p-p-o-r-t both platforms...
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I have different content on each platform. I figure that if someone goes out of their way to destroy one of my accounts because I read, curate, and blog on both, than that dictate the answer as to which platform I stop using.
For now, I enjoy both, especially when I navigate the communities which create a voice on each platform other than the ones who yell the same message from every place that gives them blogging keys.
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There is a lot of people who can't post different content on Steem and Hive for various reasons... For them, not mentioning other platforms is the only acceptable solution.
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Although I absolutely do not condone any form of plagiarism, I am not sure if I agree with the idea of self-plagiarism. It is not like I am contracting with a publisher to publish my work but then dishonestly publishing it elsewhere. In fact, if I publish my work on Steem does that mean Steempeak can use my work and surface it on their site? The normal rules don't apply as the purpose of blockchain is to make the post immutable. Surely, if I want to record my post on different blockchains, to deepen its immutability, that is purely my prerogative.
By the way, I can make a comment on Facebook and the same comment on Twitter, it would be absurd to say that every time I repeat something I need to claim where I said it the first time.
When the blockchain split, I was halfway through a series of interlinked posts. It seemed the right thing to finish the series on both chains. So for a group of people to copy the blockchain and surface my posts on their site is not plagiarism but for me to complete my own work on both chains is?
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Self plagiarism is real. You may not believe that cross posting is self plagiarism, and your belief may be correct - but self plagiarism is not a term I myself made up.
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Very good example of steempeak and different front ends @awah
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This is actually the first time I'm hearing that cross posting is a form of plagiarism even after writing the whole content myself without the use of any external source. Wow! This is really astonishing and I'm not really corroborating with your concept. It's a total disagreement for me.
I think we need to understand the two basic key terms here which are both Plagiarism and Cross Posting.
In a layman definition, plagiarism simply means the act of copying and pasting content or posts that doesn't belongs to you without referencing or crediting the real owner of the content.
Cross posting simply means sharing your content from one platform to another.
How then does plagiarism now relate to cross posting? I'm quite sure if we were to follow what you're telling us, it simply implies that it is wrong to share our post from Facebook to other social media platforms just like you're indirectly claiming to share our posts from steemit to other social media blockchain platform (publishox, hive, etc).
Also, if cross posting was to be a form of plagiarism do you think hive itself will allow you to cross post your content from the community you posted on into other communities? It's a definite NO! You can take time to explore more on peakd.com to get what I meant there.
As for the point of Google, Google ranks your post or links based on your SEO. The more stronger your SEO, the more your rank.
Another great advantage of this is that it helps in making your products go viral to reach more audience. Only digital marketers will understand this concept though.
Anyways, I'm glad you've shared your view according to your discretion or perception about cross posting being a form of plagiarism and I've also shared my reasons with you stating why I disagree with your view on some aspect even though you're a bit right about your statement quoted below because I know of some users who engage in such act
I still love this idea though!
Thanks for sharing this great post with love from @hardaeborla and I hope you have a great day ahead
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Hi @hardaeborla
You surely are master of writing long comments :D
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Lols.... I just love explaining my words clearly for proper clarification 😂😂😂
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Very interesting topic. I think that our content belongs to us. When we write to the blockchain we actually create a post in many different places. All the front end create a separate url for our post. By posting out content once, we create it in many different places:
When crossposting to another blockchain we just increase this number by one.
Another important aspect is the indexing by Search engines. You are right to point out that canonical content, if not marked as such, hurts serach results. Since there are so many front ends linked to the blockchain, this can't be avoided. The problem here is not the content on the blockchain, it's the indexing method of google that can't cope with it.
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When tribes first came out is when I first started looking into this self plagiarism issue.
I can't tell if all of these projects are just making themselves limited because they are simply copying or if copying content is the face of the future.
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Bringing up different front ends .... such a very good point. One I didn't think about
thx for your feedback @achim03
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Hello! Welcome to the Project.Hope community
Like most respondents, I agree to disagree.
Do you remember Whaleshare? or Weku? Nobody cares about them (Much less if someone published old posts on them.)... And I think no more... It's a shame...
Well, I think having a copy of your publication on other platforms is great (and even more so if you get paid for it). Maybe in the future, everything will be destroyed and it's important that there are copies in several places to ensure knowledge and that we don't perish by eating damaged meat as the story goes. Hahaha
Everything I publish is of immense value to me! Sometimes I find myself reading things I've written a long time ago. Being assured that this material is replicated gives me the confidence that my work will never be lost. And who knows? I may even help others in the future when I'm gone!
Thanks for sharing ^_^
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Perhaps "nobody" cares about weku or whale shares or Weku because it was all duplicate content...
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I join to this
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Hi @metzli I totally agree with most of the users, I don't think that's a plagiarism, if it's my creation I have the right to publish it wherever I want and on any platform! Likewise your opinion is respected, but for many that is a reality, including me! Greetings!
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Good post and very good point of reflection, although it must be exhausting to be doing different type of content for both channels and more when it can happen that no votes are received, I think the whole ecosystem influences, users would be more encouraged to separate content if there were more curators.
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As long as it my content, I believe I am free to share it anywhere. Plagiarism is simply copying another's idea without referencing. So, if I'm copying my own idea and content, how is it plagiarism?
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