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I'm writing this post to bring to everyone's attention an unpleasant situation, which has been going on for a long time now and which is affecting the Italian community on Steemit in particular.
For several weeks now, in fact, ITALY users have been targeted by the heavy downvote, almost always with 100% strength, of the user @bullionstackers, whose voting power, between owned and proxy SPs, is close to 100K SPs, thus heavily affecting rewards.
The problem occurs without a precise temporal pattern (sometimes users are downvoted every day, others more occasionally) and has affected everyone, regardless of the topics covered, the images, the length of the post or the author's role within the community.
Below we can see an example of what has happened over the past seven days, in which no fewer than eight Italian community accounts have been targeted (including that of Witness, @italygame), with some of them, specifically @kork75 and @robytrix, even receiving one or more downvotes per day.
The 'weapon' of the downvote can be important in preventing abuse and misconduct, but when used indiscriminately and for no apparent logical reason, as is evident in this case, it becomes in my opinion a detriment not only to the recipient, but to the entire system.
Can you imagine what Steemit would become if all the whales or orcas started 'randomly' downvoting smaller users, regardless of their behaviour? How long could such a system last without many losing confidence and the desire to participate?
Since none of the posts in question can be accused of plagiarism, nor the relevant users of behaviour contrary to Steemit's guidelines, or more trivially that there may ever have been anything personal between them and @bullionstackers, I and the other moderators and administrators of the community feel that at this point this situation is no longer bearable, and we believe it is time to face up to the situation head-on.
Consequently, dear @bullionstackers, we turn directly to you, and ask you to explain to us the reasons for your heavy and continuous downvotes towards members of a community, such as the Italian one, who day after day show great passion and attachment towards the platform and who have never behaved improperly.
Until today you have never wanted to answer these questions, but we remain hopeful that, after reading this post, things may finally change and any problems, misunderstandings, dislikes or other, that you may harbour towards the Italian community, will be resolved once and for all through a definitive clarification.
All disputes, however heavy they may be, must inevitably end sooner or later with a handshake, and ours is here, outstretched towards you. Let's clarify once and for all and move on, for the good of the whole platform.
P.S. The rewards of this post and any others that may be necessary to end the issue will be divided among the users who have received downvotes in the last week.
CC: @steemcurator01, @justyy, @steemchiller, @symbionts, @steem.history, @dev.supporters, @dlike, @future.witness, @rnt1, @maiyude, @protoss20, @stef1
VERSIONE ITALIANA
Scrivo il presente post per portare all'attenzione di tutti una spiacevole situazione, che perdura ormai da molto tempo e che sta colpendo in particolar modo la comunità italiana su Steemit.
Da diverse settimane infatti, gli utenti di ITALY, vengono bersagliati dai pesanti downvote, quasi sempre con forza pari al 100%, dell'utente @bullionstackers, il cui potere di voto, tra SP di proprietà e delega, sfiora i 100K SP, incidendo così pesantemente sulle rewards.
Il problema si verifica senza un preciso schema temporale (talvolta gli utenti vengono downvotati tutti i giorni, altre con più saltuarietà) e ha colpito un po' tutti, indipendentemente dagli argomenti trattati, dalle immagini, dalla lunghezza del post o dal ruolo dell'autore all'interno della community.
Qui di seguito possiamo vedere un esempio di quanto accaduto negli ultimi sette giorni, nei quali sono stati ben otto gli account della community italiana presi di mira (compreso quello del Witness, @italygame), con alcuni di essi, nello specifico @kork75 e @robytrix, che hanno ricevuto addirittura uno o più downvote al giorno.
L'"arma" del downvote può essere importante per prevenire abusi e comportamenti scorretti, ma quando usata in maniera indiscriminata e senza un apparente motivo logico, come appare evidente in questo caso, diventa a mio parere un danno non solo per chi lo riceve, ma per l'intero sistema.
Vi immaginate cosa diventerebbe Steemit se tutte le balene o le orche iniziassero a downvotare "a caso" gli utenti più piccoli, indipendentemente dalla loro condotta? Quanto potrebbe durare un sistema del genere senza che molti ne perdano la fiducia e la voglia di partecipare?
Dal momento che nessuno dei post in questione può essere accusato di plagio, né i relativi utenti di comportamenti contrari alle linee guida di Steemit, o più banalmente che tra essi e @bullionstackers possa mai esserci stato nulla di personale, io e gli altri moderatori e gli amministratori della community riteniamo a questo punto non più sopportabile tale situazione e crediamo che sia giunto il momento di affrontarla a viso aperto.
Di conseguenza, caro @bullionstackers, ci rivolgiamo direttamente a te, e ti chiediamo di spiegarci i motivi dei tuoi pesanti e continui downvote nei confronti dei membri di una community, come quella italiana, che giorno dopo giorno mostra grande passione e attaccamento nei confronti della piattaforma e che non hanno mai avuto comportamenti scorretti.
Fino ad oggi non hai mai voluto rispondere a queste domande, ma rimaniamo fiduciosi che, dopo aver letto questo post, le cose possano finalmente cambiare ed eventuali problemi, incomprensioni, antipatie o altro, che tu possa nutrire nei confronti della comunità italiana, risolversi una volta per tutte attraverso un chiarimento definitivo.
Tutte le dispute, per quanto pesanti possano essere, prima o poi devono terminare inevitabilmente con una stretta di mano e la nostra è qui, tesa nei tuoi confronti. Chiariamoci una volta per tutte e andiamo avanti, per il bene di tutta la piattaforma.
P.S. Le rewards di questo post e di altri che eventualmente si rendessero necessari per porre fine alla questione verranno divise tra gli utenti che hanno ricevuto i downvote nell'ultima settimana.
CC: @steemcurator01, @justyy, @steemchiller, @symbionts, @steem.history, @dev.supporters, @dlike, @future.witness, @rnt1, @maiyude, @protoss20, @stef1
I'm part of ITALYGAME Team
together with:
@girolamomarotta, @sardrt, @mikitaly, @mad-runner, @famigliacurione
Dear Italian Community and @frafiomatale, thank you for bringing this issue to light. It is unknown for many because like you say the community coped with that on its own with the hope that this will stop on itself.
It is very sad to see that despite of being a friendly platform and supporting our active users like many in Italian Community such situation of unexplained and continuous downvote is going on.
Since Steemit and Hive are split we had relatively peaceful place here and any action like Downvote was done in the case of Plagiarism, vote-farming or any other abuse.
With such behaviour the community members will just get frustrated and leave Steemit, is that the goal of that downvote?
@bullionstackers, it would be good to hear from you what is behind that Downvotes, so that the users know and if there is any issues that need to be fixed then it should be done. I know that many will not speak up here because they do not want to get you chasing them too, you know that too. But let's try to find a solution together.
I see there are some witnesses named in this post and I would be grateful to see their opinion, we have voted for your, Witnesses please speak up when we need your opinion:
@justyy, @steemchiller, @symbionts, @steem.history, @dev.supporters, @dlike, @future.witness, @rnt1, @maiyude, @protoss20
Also I would like to call for @steemcurator01 and the Steemit Team to step up and help to resolve the situation.
I am going to share this post in Steem Representative Discord and I would like to call all Steem Representatives to give their feedback.
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Dear @stef1, thank you for your attention and for the post you just published.
You made great considerations, our time on Steemit should be spent growing and helping everyone else grow, rather than destroying. I'm confident that this bad situation can be resolved and make our beloved platform even better 🤗👍.
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Grazie @stef1 certi comportamneti mi ricordano le prime guerre fra balene del 2016 per il controllo della piattafarorma , quando dovevano fare i vari Fork..
Forse qualcuno ha nostalgia di queste cose? Mah...
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Thank you @stef1 for your input on this topic
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I downvote Pesanti che arrivino da una balena devono assolutamente essere giustificati. Questo è un problema da risolvere. Hai avuto un’ottima intuizione a fare questo post. Probabilmente a breve prenderó un downvote anch’io, e se questo accadrà posso certamente dire che io non violano le regole di Steemit, in quanto le conosco piuttosto bene. Se capiterà anche a me vuol dire che il problema è davvero grosso.
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Purtroppo sembra che colpisca indistintamente e senza una logica. A volte prende di mira un utente specifico e lo bersaglia anche per tutta la settimana. E nonostante tutte le richieste di chiarimento, niente, va avanti per la sua strada...
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Che strano… il downvote è uno strumento giusto, ma ideato veramente male, quindi se ne puó fare l’utilizzo che si vuole. In realtá dovrebbe essere uno strumento che dovrebbe regolare le attività sulla piattaforma per sfavorire le attivitá illecite, ma non sembra che sia sempre così
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#redressingthebalance
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Thank you very much!
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Despite the misbehaviour of @bullionstackers we in the Italian community don't give up, we have faced even worse.
But we are still here, on Steemit!
We are so sorry to see our users being targeted for no reason, but we at @italygame will continue to support them in any way we can.
I hope to hear sooner or later about the reasons why @bullionstackers are targeting us.
(Published through Steemit Dapp https://boylikegirl.club)
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Una vicenda davvero spiacevole, downvote così pesanti devono essere giustificati
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Questo tizio sembra che passi il tempo a downvotare.
Per fortuna il suo SP è al di sotto dei 100K quindi può arrivare a togliere al massimo 1 dollaro a post se votato al 100%.
Speriamo che non arrivi mai ad avere milioni di Steem o sarebbe una tragedia.
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100.000 STEEM sono tanti, mi sembra uno che ha un certo peso in questa blockchain decentralizzata… come dico io c’è solo una cosa decentralizzata al mondo “l’amore di una madre per i propri figli”
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It's a shame... As I wrote before: I am actually resigned that nobody can do anything effective about it - balance the downvotes and wait when the storm has passed... There have already been such episodes that stopped as they started - for no reason.
A question (for programmers & co.): to me this seems like manual action - would a programme also come into question for this? If so, couldn't that be interfered with...?
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The hope is that he will understand that these wars do no one any good... Thank you for your comment. It seems obvious to me that such behaviour arouses the anger of the entire platform; if I were him, I would ask myself a hundred times over whether it is worth continuing... I leave your question open to those who are more technically adept than I am 😊, thank you for your comment!
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Grazie per questo post, distratta come sono non me ne ero resa conto.
Chissà quale logica perversa c'è dietro o semplicemente la noia rende le persone cattive.
Fortuna che voi di @italygame siete sempre molto attenti e pronti ad aiutarci!
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Grazie a te per il commento Roby. Che poi se solo tutti comprendessero che il tempo speso ad odiare è molto meno gratificante di quello passato ad aiutare gli altri, tutto girerebbe molto meglio 🤗
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Caspita! Che strana questa cosa! Non ti è stato recapitato nemmeno un messaggio del perchè dei downvote?
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Mi sembra di no! Sarà qualcuno che cerca di disturbare la Comunità italiana. Di tanto in tanto capita!
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We are going to take action in this regard. But before taking this step, we will give him two warnings.
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The fact of the matter is you cannot do anything to him
two warnings 🙄
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Right! Because he write neither posts nor comments...
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Correct my friend
They should just use this 17 million steem to counter his downvotes they keep going on about
Have a good day
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Thank you very much for your work!
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This post has been upvoted by @italygame witness curation trail
If you like our work and want to support us, please consider to approve our witness
Come and visit Italy Community
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Santo cielo, amico mio, che smacco! Ma perchè mai un affare del genere? Sarei stata propensa a supporre una sorta di antipatia culturale (se non addirittura razziale) verso l'Italia, dato che in svariate aree del pianeta (nello specifico quelle anglosassoni, germaniche e nordiche) l'italiano è mal visto e fa pessima figura (ne ero già consapevole sin da bambina), ma qui vedo presi di mira pure il mio amico @lupega e @cotina che sono venezuelani e dunque in l'Italia non hanno radici. Che non piacciano nemmeno i latini? Speriamo l'affaraccio si risolva, se no prevedo defezioni inevitabili se dovesse continuare.
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Non lo so cara pou, i suoi motivi sono ad oggi ignoti, ma spero non c'entri davvero il razzismo, perché sarebbe davvero una cosa vergognosa. Sono fiducioso che con il dialogo e il grande aiuto che tutta la piattaforma ci sta dando la cosa si possa risolvere 😊
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Ma davvero non si può fare niente come hanno commentato due utenti? Bisogna rassegnarsi a vedere lavori che costano ore e ore (e magari pure nottate in bianco) downvotati ad muzzum? Chissà quanti utenti abbandoneranno e non sia mai lo scopo sia appunto quello di far chiudere la comunità italiana. Purtroppo non mi riesce di non pensare al razzismo e la cosa non mi sbalordirebbe affatto, qualora venisse confermata. Vedo che l'utente in questione non si sogna neppure di rispondere al tuo appello e l'affare non è di buon auspicio, dato che non vuole dialogare. Spero però di sbagliarmi.
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Hi @frafiomatale,
my name is @ilnegro and I voted your post using steem-fanbase.com.
Come and visit Italy Community
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Congratulations! This post has been upvoted through Curation Team#2. We support quality posts , good comments anywhere and any tags.Downvoting a post can decrease pending rewards and make it less visible. Common reasons:
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Thank you for your support!
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Ho ricevuto diversi voti negativi, l'ho ignorato e ho continuato a lavorare come al solito, ma non sapevo che questo voto fosse ricevuto da altri utenti, penso che non sia giusto e spero che l'utente risponda o semplicemente NO, NON farlo più.
Grazie per aver realizzato questo post, chi di noi appartiene alla comunità italiana sa che siamo sempre supportati, grazie mille.
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Vedremo amico mio, spero anche io che tutto possa finire e ognuno di noi dedicarsi solo alle sue passioni. In ogni caso abbiamo ricevuto attenzione e un grande supporto da tutta la famiglia Steemit e questo è molto importante.
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Sorry that our Italian friends experienced such abuse and this abuse happened to me when I was in hive and later my keys were hacked and lost 1200+ hive power. Hive was full of abuse so I left the platform several months ago. I'm glad that the kindness of steemit team always with us and your post is the proof of that. I wish none can ever dare to abuse original steemit users.
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Dear friend, I am very sorry for what you had to go through. In our case, the reaction of Steemit's family was the best thing about this story and showed the profound difference that exists with the other platform you mentioned that is slowly self-destructing. Here everyone's intention is to isolate the bad apples quickly to preserve the harmony we have lived with over the years 🤗
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I hope so dear, may the environment of steemit always stay clean and transparent and no one can harm us as the user did downvoted for no valid reason.
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Hi, @frafiomatale,
@bullionstackers is well known for trying to force people to bend the knee via downvoting them for no reason, then expecting them to come crawling to him to satisfy his deranged mind. We have been getting downvotes from him for a long time, and our account @ecosynthesizer was being used as a decoy for his downvotes. He tried in the past to target communities, partners, developers, and moderators that we were working with, so we used our curation account to attract his downvotes.
Long story short, the downvotes started after he lost 1 million delegation due to his involvement in faking abuse cases to farm rewards. He since then started fanatically and selectively downvoting users.
Unfortunately, nothing can be done except if a solution is introduced to counter his downvotes automatically. We can build a tool that would achieve this goal, but if there is no voting power behind it, the intended effect would not be there.
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Thank you for your reply, after which many things begin to become clearer. It is a pity that the harmony that exists on Steem has to be ruined by unscrupulous people like him, who look no one in the face in pursuit of futile vendettas. I hope that one day, sooner or later, he will understand the profound error of such behavior.
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Grazie di aver sollevato l'argomento mi sono accorto anch'io dei suoi downnvote, e avevo anch'io cercato di contattarlo e di cercare una risposta, ho contattato anche altre persone in discord e mi hanno detto che è da tanto tempo che va avanti così, secondo me è l'unico modo è quello di votare in maniera positiva i post che lui vota in maniera negativa.
Sicuramente questo scoraggia le persone però non dobbiamo mollare
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Sono d'accordo al 100%. Una comunità è sempre più forte di un singolo, questo post ne è esempio lampante, troveremo di certo il metodo per annullare il suo comportamento.
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