🆕 July 2023 Newcomers - Where are they now?

michelangelo3 (70) · 4 months ago

I regularly check the newcomer community, but unfortunately there is rarely a post from a newcomer where I have no - or rather - little doubt about its authenticity. And as you've noticed here, there's often not much after the introduction, or only posts with cat pictures or referring to some kind of challenge.

Nevertheless, I keep checking in, hope dies last :-)

The moderators of the Newcomer Community really make an effort. But when I think back to my beginnings, I probably wouldn't have gone through this procedure. I looked for other users and just asked, and I had a lot of questions. Everything bit by bit, it's really complicated here. As a result, friendships have developed, as well as the need to pass on the help I've received.

Perhaps the newcomer community is trying to make it easier for newcomers. As a result, however, it may even become more difficult.

By the way, you linked to localhost in parts of your post, I just noticed. Cool tool, your status tool :-) And another thing, a lot has happened at /promoted

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

I regularly check the newcomer community, but unfortunately there is rarely a post from a newcomer where I have no - or rather - little doubt about its authenticity. And as you've noticed here, there's often not much after the introduction, or only posts with cat pictures or referring to some kind of challenge.

Nevertheless, I keep checking in, hope dies last :-)

I feel the same... I do the same... "it's the hope that gets you in the end" ((c) @the-gorilla)

You've been here much longer than me - when I joined, I posted in the Newcomers' Community (after a couple of football posts) and wondered "Why hasn't anybody replied?" - I expected the interaction to be instant. Like it would be on an old skool Message Board or Forum. It wasn't, so I explored... I searched communities, I searched content, I was curious... and perhaps that's where I'm different... and why I'm still here. I'm still curious... just about. Definitely not curious about contests though 😅

Thanks for pointing out the localhost links (I'm glad somebody clicked on them 😉) - I've updated them now.

And another thing, a lot has happened at /promoted

I've been busy testing out a few of my theories to see how they would work in reality. @remlaps and I have had a curiosity about this page for a long time, with nothing ever really "biting". This might be another flash in the pan, it might not be... time will tell. It does also help that these posts are called through to my own interface... it makes me more likely to promote content that I want to see 🙂

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chriddi (73) · 4 months ago

content that I want to see

They started to promote contests and contest results... 😂

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Ah, that was me 🙂 I'm testing to see what the page would look like if I promoted the top 5 posts by realrobinhood (with no.1 receiving a higher promo than no.2). I also need to excluded voting bot users from that too.

So in theory, the result should produce the posts that are most interacted with (and resteemed... ah, resteems is probably where the algorithm favours contests... 🤔) and should therefore produce the "most attractive" outcome.

I'm beginning to see the flaw in my plan now.

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chriddi (73) · 4 months ago

Ah, that was me

Ah, okay - I stalked null's wallet... 😉

resteems is probably where the algorithm favours contests

Another argument that speaks against the "so popular" resteem obligation of challenge calls... 😖

I'm beginning to see the flaw in my plan now

Great!

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

It's impossible to avoid the challenges. The only way to avoid challenges, is to avoid Steemit.

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chriddi (73) · 4 months ago

I don't mind coming across challenges every now and then. It's just that this "constant bombardment" is unbearable. If I concentrate on my feed, I can block out a lot of crap. But my friends don't always keep it clean when they feel compelled to resteem these invitations. I don't understand this process: steemitblog like disconnected announce the SEC - so anyone interested can find them.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Yes, even my interface has become more contests than anything else. I hope there’s something that changes but there seems to be no letting up! We’re definitely in the minority!

afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

Well observed, dear gorilla. Unfortunately, you've wasted your time. Even the two hundredth beginner's initiative doesn't work. The new people don't yet understand the futility of it and there are always enthusiasts who do what has already been tried hundreds of times before them. You can count on the fingers of your hands the number of users who have had success with simliar initiatives.

Since the beginning of Steem, articles about Steem have been frowned upon and I have long understood why that was always the case. You won't see me (Institute of Chainology) writing anything like that today because it makes absolutely no sense. Apart from system critics who are always happy about lively discussions about things they cannot influence, your knowledge is of no interest to anyone who has the necessary influence to change something.

Not a single essay on Steem is read by someone who has the opportunity to make a difference. Not even if these people actually existed. The reason for this is simple. The Steem serves its purpose. Blockchain works great for every investor. It was never designed, not forked a few times to do more. The legend of mass adaptation has always been a pretty clever softening of hard facts. The mass of users, the so-called plankton, only brings in marginal income and at best serves to conceal disproportionate profits from investors. That's why nobody changes anything. That's why you're wasting your time on articles like this.

Should investors waste money on the have-nots even though the system runs satisfactorily without any further investment? Wasting money doesn't appear in an investor's personality profile, except in private life, where you like to show off what you have. I have never seen so many people write about Steem as since the change of ownership of Steemit Inc.. Of course, this is always an issue, a proper means of earning rewards and attracting attention. But it's no use. Nobody who could change anything is interested.

My only hope was always a smart designed condenser. You saw it exactly that way and started building one. But you probably discovered how big a task this is for a small gorilla. Only a new, cleverly designed condenser is the way to change the Steem without the help of the owner of Steemit Inc.. You can't get to the Blockchain source code and the design of a new condenser would be the only reason to meaningfully discuss the Steem again. Unfortunately, all the new front ends have been a disappointment so far. So far, every designer has only scratched the surface without ideas about what would be necessary, let alone possible. I think I can help you if you have the force and capital to design a new Frontend (Condenser).

Edit:
Sorry for too much edits.

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7 votes

avoicest (66) · 4 months ago

Я перестала писать про Steem, потому что мне за это не платят. :) Но почитать умных людей на эту тему я люблю.

I stopped writing about Steem because I don't get paid for it. :) But I like to read smart people on this topic.

afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

I stopped writing about Steem because I don't get paid for it. But I like to read smart people on this topic.

A smiley makes not a joke from a poisoned reply. Are you not enabled to think in a serious way, regarding the difficulties Steemians are in since 7 years? Is provocation of a speaker all you have to say about the topics we suffer? Are payments the only category you can think in? It's really a matter of character, what people write down. No, it seems you doesn't properly understand in whole, what I've wrote about. May I help you?

I stopped writing about the Steem because it makes no sense at all to write about the Steem. All possible thoughts was written down, meanwhile. Nothing changed to good.

If you write about policies of the Steemit Inc., better forget it. You are not a member of the Inc.. Do you understand now? If you are a newbie, you can write about. But it is better to do it in replies. Surely you will be helped. Since 7 years clever and not so clever people write about the Steem. Some convinced in a very enthusiastic manner, but not one of the authors was able to change the Steem or Steemit.

Except the club people. They prepared a bloody mess of keyword politics. It was not so clever. This special move kicked us out of Google and the other search engines. Now people try to heal the symptoms and write an explicit search for the blockchain. Let us better think about, what Steem is in reality. For us people standing outside of the Steemit Inc. the only way of change the Steem is to build a new and better condenser.

By the way:
The only one who convinced the Steemians with a very practical change, is our friend @steemchiller. He really changed the experience of blockchain by creating Steemworld.com. But in public he doesn't blab about much. The just did it.

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2 votes

avoicest (66) · 4 months ago

@afrog вы мне нравитесь. Я пытаюсь разобраться в блокчейне уже 6 лет, поэтому мне нравятся ваши ответы.

For us people standing outside of the Steemit Inc. the only way of change the Steem is to build a new and better condenser.

Это отличная идея. В реализации она затратная, но обсуждения - бесплатны. И согласитесь, в хорошей компании было бы приятно даже просто помечтать, каким он мог бы быть этот конденсатор.

EN:
@afrog I like you. I've been trying to figure out the blockchain for 6 years now, so I like your answers.

For us people standing outside of the Steemit Inc. the only way of change the Steem is to build a new and better condenser.

It's a great idea. It is expensive to implement, but discussions are free. And you must agree, in a good company it would be nice to even just dream about what this condenser could be.

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4 votes

afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

Now I like you too. There was not one person all this years, while my postings about the Steem (as @steemwiki as well), who asks for a conversation about what a good condenser must have.

Let's start this chat hereby, where the-gorilla, a frontend and bot designer, is wondering about symptoms. Let's find out ways of healing, to show the-gorilla proper ways of sensible development. It's a way to a hell of work. Willing developers have to take it united.

I opened my mouth so wide, now I have to deliver the first ideas of a new condenser:

Build a team.
Discuss in public.
Include investors.
Just one frontend for all languages
Configurable desktop by build in filters. The-gorilla shows a little varety of hundreds necesarry filters on his frontend. I talk about a powerful for a lot of purposes configuration menu.
Including bots for lotteries, user analysis, pool analysis, etc.
Chat structure like a real social media must have (a proper issue for discussions).
A bot detecting and accusing steal of steem content outside in WWW and plagiarism on Steem.
A FAQ, every newbie understands.

It's just a rough draft. But its really part of the truth. And I have a lot of gimmicks in my head, you will never bring in conjunction with the Steem. I thought a lot about this blockchain alone in my chamber. Maybe we find a new beginning, today.

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xpilar (82) · 4 months ago (edited)

A good draft to start @afrog

I opened my mouth so wide, now I have to deliver the first ideas of a new condenser:

Build a team.
Discuss in public.
Include investors.
Just one frontend for all languages
Configurable desktop by build in filters. The-gorilla shows a little varety of hundreds necesarry filters on his frontend. I talk about a powerful for a lot of purposes configuration menu.
Including bots for lotteries, user analysis, pool analysis, etc.
Chat structure like a real social media must have (a proper issue for discussions).
A bot detecting and accusing steal of steem content outside in WWW and plagiarism on Steem.
A FAQ, every newbie understands.

It will be a lot of work, but if we got it tll it would be like changing the heart and all the veins and opening up for full flow again
It will be like being reborn again

Maybe if they open up the DIP proposal again,

But I have an additional suggestion.
Top 20 witnesses earn 2500 steem per week, about 2000 steem goes to expenses. The remaining 500 steem that remain per week I suggest we as top20 witnesses donate to the project for a certain period of time.
That means that every month from the witnesses there will be 40K to cover expenses

afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

Thanks for reading and for your suggestions. This is only the second response to my age-old realisation that only a new front end can provide the solution to all our problems. I've been writing about this topic for seven years. Sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes not at all. Apart from @chriddi, nobody has taken a serious interest in what I have to say on the subject, during all these years.

I always see the same thing. Serious problems for beginners, silent disappearance of those who got involved with the Steem, complaints about the pool drying up and inactivity on the part of Steemit Inc. These are not all solvable problems. But we can do better for the disappearance of frustrated beginners than setting up welcoming committees and other patches to get them started.

As I am not a developer, I can only make suggestions. I attribute the fact that no joint work on this task has begun to date to the constant competition between the developers and the fact that the task is simply impossible for one person to handle. But at the moment the problems also seems to be bothering other Steemians and the proposal with DIP, which the-gorilla has already brought up, seems to me to be a logical approach.

But I still have something to say about financing. If someone has enough start-up capital and can free up developer resources, I can definitely imagine a payment model. Which means that a new front end could also be a business model.

However it turns out, it is already a big step forward that seriously committed Steemians are now starting to dream about their new frontend. We must finally start to discuss the matter seriously in an appropriate framework. A frontend is the only instance on the whole Steem that we as a community can actually influence. The blockchain itself rests with the inactive Steemit Inc. and a disinterested Mr Sun.
We can take the user experience to a whole new level with many convenient functions.

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chriddi (73) · 4 months ago

Oh yes, with a tear in my eye I can still remember the SteemWiki days very well. Man, we were in the flow back then (and I was just a "crash test dummy" and "promotion minister"). How much energy, sweat and soul we put into this brilliant project! And the interest! Well, the old, new, eternal problem: "And what do I get out of it, where are my rewards?" Nobody has ever understood that you can't get anywhere on the Steem without team spirit, besides you haven't invested heavily...
Well, the "wind of change" can be felt - hopefully it's not just a "storm in a teacup" again and again and again.

afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

Your witness proposal is a very good idea, but I don't believe in miracles. For most Top Witnesses, their job is good business and anyone who is still a member of these illustrious Steemians after the 20 preferred lucky ones has no more capital to give away.

Since 2020, we have known that witnesses can only have influence if they act together. You only can expect this if they are treated equally by the Steem logic or if a common enemy appears. I do not believe in witnesses anymore. We have to help ourselves and there are a lot of ways to do it. Perhaps, just imagine a cooperative.

By the way, I've been a top 20 witness on the Blurt. I know, what talking about, when I talk about witnesses.

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

And you must agree, in a good company it would be nice to even just dream about what this condenser could be.

If we figure out how to build sophisticated bots and condensers this way, I agree. If we figure out who is doing it, I agree. If you know how these hardworking people get paid, write an article about the Steem.

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avoicest (66) · 4 months ago

Мне бы тоже подошла работа мечтателя. =) Но пока я вижу это только как развлечение.

A dreamer's job would suit me too. =) But so far I see it only as entertainment.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

But I like to read smart people on this topic.

Please tag me when you see something 😉

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avoicest (66) · 4 months ago

:) REUNION

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Imagine if that happened and all those toxic Hive downvoters came back here!

No way it'll happen though - I've seen the egos at play and they won't budge no matter what!

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avoicest (66) · 4 months ago

Да, прямая передача ссылок - это сильно. Но меня все же смущает ваша нелюбовь к пользователям, пользующимся ботами голосования. Поэтому некоторые ссылки будут не для вас.

Yes, direct link transfer is strong. But I'm still confused by your ignoring of users using voting bots. Therefore, some links will not be for you.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

I'm still confused by your ignoring of users using voting bots.

My thinking is the same as that for the #krsuccess - unfortunately, users are rewarded regardless of what they post. So the majority post junk just to get their rewards which hides the "more genuine" content. I know that this doesn't apply to everybody but the majority have ruined it for the few.

If you don't mind seeing mot users or shit-spam tags, then it's possible to include those posts too.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Unfortunately, you've wasted your time.

The story of my life 🤣

your knowledge is of no interest to anyone who has the necessary influence to change something.

I have mixed feelings with this part - in some ways, we all have the influence to change something. Maybe as an individual, it's difficult but as a collective, it gets stronger. As a mob...

I've also gained the knowledge on how to change the Steemit codebase. If I code something that the mob like, then the mob can keep shouting about it... until Steemit sees and knows nothing else. Or we all just go to Blurt 😅

My only hope was always a smart designed condenser. You saw it exactly that way and started building one. But you probably discovered how big a task this is for a small gorilla.

I haven't changed much yet, but now that I understand how ReactJS holds together better, I'm far more optimistic about doing this than ever before... but amongst your pessimism, you repeat that the point that:

Nobody who could change anything is interested.

I assume you've seen my front-end. Whilst I don't think this is directly possible in Condenser, I certainly believe that we can get closer. I'll take a quick break from this comment and dick about with a few bits...

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

I have mixed feelings with this part - in some ways, we all have the influence to change something.

I'm glad about.

I assume you've seen my front-end.

Of course!

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2 votes

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Edit:
Sorry for too much edits.

I didn't have a chance to reply yet but I did notice you editing... I'll wait until you're finished 😉

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

I know, you're a quite clever dschungel guy. I stopped editing, just before. Feel free to do, whatever you like. But don't eat me.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

😊 I had my head in the code and trying to write a helpful post for future wannabe developers (and also adding a new feature to my club status tool). Now numbing my brain with some football so will digest and reply another time 😊

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago (edited)

The output from my playing... needs a bit of polish but it's possibly an improvement.

I'd like to display the image above the text like in my interface but I'm struggling with that at the moment. I'm going to park these thoughts for now. Maybe if they open up the DIP proposal again, I could apply.

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago (edited)

Your windows steemit manual is great. Other article. Your work on this equipment is promising. It smells like rock'n roll! Let me fiddle in a condenser riff:
Make a swap in the whole center to the personal steemworld. left an right glides to the side. There you are, your toolbox. One click back swaps to the former blog.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Love it. What type of music are these lyrics written for?

I’ve started writing an update post but need to go out until this evening so can’t finish it. I think it’s the most Rock & Roll thing anybody’s ever done to the Condenser interface…. But I’ll have to leave judgement to the flies!

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

Don't ask for types of music. Today you need an encyclopedia to get all types on the screen. The essence of every music is the blues. A feeling. Without it, no one would ever have had the idea of making music.

Fresh on, after we called coin miners flies, they should start to buzz now. It will be your condenser, Steemians. Let's dream together now.

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

Maybe if they open up the DIP proposal again, I could apply.

You should apply!

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event-horizon (74) · 4 months ago (edited)

Interesting observation.

I think user retention rate is low because it can be overwhelming in the beginning due to tons of rules. Blockchain concept is still new. When people are trying to get the hang of this new world, they are simultaneously bombarded with rules like clubs, burns, tags, beneficiaries and what-not.

Besides, I think it's because:

Steemit demands time in order to be successful which full-time employed people find hard to manage
It doesn't ~~allow to~~ pay bills which makes it unattractive to unemployed people who need work

Users who stay are those who have time and don't depend on Steem for their basic needs.

New users come here only because of the money part. Nobody likes a boring social media which is not even better than My Space or Orkut in terms of user-friendliness.

People join but soon they realise it's not worth the effort.

The particular user who got the attention of sc01 - I hope she returns but looking at her achievement 1 gave me the impression that she might actually be hoping for $400 or maybe she didn't want to power up or burn most of her rewards. So she's still figuring out whether to continue here or not.

I think our best bet is to make it addictive and devise more attractive factors about Steem other than rewards.

P.S. Should've slept instead of wandering online.

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8 votes

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Aren't you Mrs Gloomy when you can't sleep 😉

I think our best bet is to make it addictive and devise more attractive factors about Steem other than rewards.

Yes - the addiction comes from feeling like you're a part of something. You can see it in the early days - people felt like they were a part of something special... almost rebellious. They're on a platform where there are no rules... nobody to force you into a mainstream opinion. Now, like you say, new joiners are bombarded with rules. Many communities impose these rules.

There's community, of course. But that takes time... it takes trust... in a space where that trust has been repeatedly abused by (probably the same bunch of) scammers, over and over again.

event-horizon (74) · 4 months ago

Aren't you Mrs Gloomy when you can't sleep 😉

I read my comment again; you are right. 😝

people felt like they were a part of something special... almost rebellious.

This !!! I have precisely felt that when I joined.

How can we achieve that again? I'm not saying we should discourage clubs or burns but there has to be another way around it where people don't feel forced and focus only on being creative with content.

Sometimes, I think the Steemit team should stop taking initiatives specially this SEC. When there are no almost-guaranteed votes, people try different things to get those. For once, they might start focusing on improving their content. Instead of only checking off the rule book.

Okay.. I'm deviating from the issue raised.
Coming back to Newcomers...

Under the current circumstances, I can't think of any robust strategy, honestly.

Perhaps, we need to keep track of genuine newcomers, encourage them through comments and votes. They might feel belonged. Right now, most users only prefer to comment on SEC posts because... well, we know why.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

When there are no almost-guaranteed votes, people try different things to get those

Yes, exactly. I talk a lot about sheep and this is more true now than at any other point that I've been here. I remember when I started, people would copy what I was doing in the hope that they'd get a vote. But I was always thinking about the next thing that I wanted to do... very few people do that any more. They go to where the contests are... where the votes are and just stay there.

I've started looking at users who did their achievement 1 a month ago (so tracking day-for-day) to see if I can give them a little boost. Interestingly, there are already very few at this point and one of the ones I found yesterday has shown a bit of determination, despite being a terrible author (and possibly plagiarising) and getting pretty much zero rewards. It'll be interesting to see if I can get anywhere with them 🙂 Another pet project that they won't know about 😆

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2 votes

afrog (70) · 4 months ago

Steemit demands time in order to be successful which full-time employed people …

We gave them seven years of time. Its time to strike as an All Steem Team (AST).

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kiwiscanfly (77) · 4 months ago

mmm interesting post my man, i enjoyed reading it and at the start i was thought most of July 2023 would be gone just like you have shown.

Another problem we have is that being in Club 100 is a waste of time, it seems that the people that cash out a lot (club50/50) of steem get more support than those who power everything up.

One such user i know of cashed out 50K worth of steem and is back on the blockchain earning way more again than club100 users.

And we wonder why the price of steem does not go up.

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8 votes

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

I’ve had an interesting idea related to that to add to my club status tool so that you can easily see when a user’s powered up and then sold everything and started again. 50k’s quite a chunk though.

I found it interesting that users lasted for such a short period of time after joining. Especially when the time required to validate them is not insignificant. I wonder if a pre-requisite of the newcomers achievement programme should be a month of consistent posting which is taken into consideration for the sc vote. If users aren’t staying anyway, it’ll save a huge chunk of the greeter’s time!!

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inspiracion (80) · 4 months ago

What you say is very true, many of the newcomers do not stay. This is supposedly why there is a curation team to support those who strive to make quality posts (Sc09). But to meditate a little with you, I think what happens is that in the newcomer community we can group these users who open an account and start publishing on Steemit, and then we can see their performance... But outside of this community, There are also many users who create an account, publish something, and then disappear, but perhaps they are not counted, we can also take that into account.

I have seen outside the newcomers users who come and publish but have no idea that publishing is not just posting a photo with a line of text, so they are invited to the community to guide them.

What I would like to point out is that in addition to the Newcomer community and the existing communities, people are free to publish on Steemit, there is no reason to stop just making the achievements, and in fact we tell newcomers this, that they integrate to make other types of publications, because that is what would really be a healthy development for new ones.

And just as you said, you can publish beyond what is established... but I think only those who have previously had a blog on any other platform know that.

The ideal for me is not to pigeonhole people into small spaces but to encourage creativity. Let it be understood that achievement 1 is just a presentation, just the beginning, and not exclusive, on Steemit.

Perhaps it is necessary to explain this, that Steemit works as a free space to publish.

I have the impression that those who arrive and only do achievement 1 and leave do not have a clear idea of what Steemit is, that is evident.

Any space you reach must be given enough time to get to know it and integrate, the Newcomer community is a means for this, simply...

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6 votes

goodybest (77) · 4 months ago

Interesting post as always, the truth is that there is always a distinction between users who blog for love and those who come with high expectations. But I think one of the reasons some of them left the platform is the lack of mentorship, a lot of them are not professional writers and when they realised they couldn't meet the required standard, they disappeared, but most who have good mentors do have a good start and they are still here. One way forward is for those who introduced these new ones to devote some of their time to training their recruits, giving them the needed moral support and motivation. When some new users ask me Ma'am I have a friend I would like to introduce, I normally tell them to hold on and be well acquainted with the platform first before they bring in another user so that they can train them. Again our meaningful discussion at our forum and the resolution we have reached will also help.

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6 votes

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

I've probably said this in most replies - It's a difficult challenge and the more I reply, the more it comes down to "expectations" and "hooks".

If user expectations aren't met - either the rewards that they're earning or their interactions, then they'll feel disappointed. People might see the Trending page or a YouTube video claiming "Earn $100 per day) and then the reality pushes them away. The rewards don't act as a hook.

The hook that you describe above is a sense of community - their friends are here. They can interact with their friends. They can help their friends earn a few dollars for doing something that they enjoy anyway - perhaps here instead of on Facebook.

Do we have enough hooks? Do we have the right hooks? 🤷‍♂️

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

A perpetual lottery would be a hook that many people can't get away from. Imagine:
You can win whale votes as long as you are active on the Steem. Some posts (approx. 12 times/year), replies and a growing steempower shows you are active. Now you are eligible to win.
You may ask @moecki. His finanzbot named Dubby just needs an analyzing tool and a random generator. Dubby is near to be a perfect tool for lotteries.
It's not a hook. It will work like glue for flies.

4 votes

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

It's not a hook. It will work like glue for flies.

😂 We all know what flies love... 💩

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

Now we are in the center of miner affairs. STEEM is not a shitcoin.

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remlaps (74) · 4 months ago (edited)

I think this is the key.

The hook that you describe above is a sense of community - their friends are here.

I was taking night classes when Facebook first rolled out so I got an invitation to join in their earliest days. I think the reason for their virality was that they did it one university at a time, so groups of people that already knew each other in real life and had common interests were all joining at the same time. They were both exclusive (Only "your school" is invited) and inviting.

I don't know how we accomplish it on Steem, but I think it has to be about reinforcing real-world connections and building a sense of community if it's going to be lasting.

Edited to add: This line of reasoning relates to my recent thinking about voting strategies to support authors who are network builders.

the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Edited to add: This line of reasoning relates to my recent thinking about voting strategies to support authors who are network builders.

It'll be interesting to hear what kind of algorithms would be required for this to work... all based on comments perhaps. A 2-layer-deep network perhaps 🤔

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goodybest (77) · 4 months ago

I can't agree more with you on this. Talking about the right hook, I think we have some and we can create more.

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

What do you think the hooks are? 🙂

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goodybest (77) · 4 months ago

Well, I think you mean special things that will attract outsiders and captivate interest, or a kind of guide.

The hooks could be content, community etc
🤷🤷

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

the lack of mentorship

Lack of mentorship is a symptom of a lousy FAQ.

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goodybest (77) · 4 months ago

I think the physical form is so important in this case

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afrog (70) · 4 months ago

Thank's for your answer but I don't understand. Do you adress the form of the FAQ? Then you're right. But its the content too. We better start the FAQ from the view of a beginner and in the form of a manual. No beginner knows the right words for issues they need asking for.

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inspiracion (80) · 4 months ago

In our conversation on the greeters channel I also mentioned that it is difficult to differentiate those who only come for immediate rewards, from those who want to build a blog through content creation...

I have seen good users who, even though they are supported, want more support... so there is a fine line between these motivations. Only time gives us the answers...

And without trying to be radical, I know that people want support, but it is necessary to take into account the learning curve, patience, and many things that some former users know but that are not taken into account by many newcomers.

Now yes... I leave it here so as not to continue expanding :D

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the-gorilla (73) · 4 months ago

Now yes... I leave it here so as not to continue expanding :D

🙂 I think I shared some thoughts on this in my other comment 🙂

It's very easy to keep expanding!

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liusir (55) · 4 months ago

Your post is very meaningful. It can be seen that you have spent a lot of patience for this post. As a designer who often deals with customers, I think whether a community can retain new members mainly depends on the following factors: Aspects: First of all: am I used to using the steemit platform? I feel that although the steemit community has been operating for so long, its interface and functions are still too backward, and it is not very convenient for many people to use it. Second: Whether you can get benefits from it, I think many users choose to join Steemit because of its benefits, but for newcomers, if the benefit is too low or there is no benefit for a long time, they will leave. Finally: Although there are many excellent articles in the community, many newcomers cannot get timely replies after commenting, resulting in time lag in communication, which will also affect everyone's experience. If a timely communication can be added to steemit, I think will be better.

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