Plumbing Crisis Averted And Mystery Solved - With Duct Tape!

in homesteading •  7 years ago 

What better way to spend the Friday night of Labor Day weekend than worming around on your belly in a filthy crawlspace!

Since we moved in to Toad Hall several years ago, we've been plagued with well problems. We've got the old fashioned sort of concrete cistern well that you can climb into with a ladder - or, in worse circumstances, fall into. We're using a shallow-well jet pump installed beneath the house, and this has to draw the water over 120 feet into the holding tank. You can see the long pipe running beneath the house on the right.

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We've already burned through two well-pumps. Eventually the pump starts running rough and we get pockets of air spitting from the taps. Then the pump runs dry and burns itself out.

We've had a well guy come out and explain that a proper fix would involve excavating that water line and replacing it, then installing a submersible pump at the bottom of the well. It would cost $8,000 to do this. Potentially twice that if it had to be done in winter, when the ground was frozen. That's why we just ended up buying another cheap pump and paying our plumber a few hundred to hook it up. Twice.

I was home last night when the pump started to act up again, so at least I could switch it off before it burned itself out again. But here we were on the Friday night of a long weekend, looking forward to several days without water. So I grabbed a flashlight and decided to resort to the quick-fix we used when this happened last year: running garden hoses from the outbuilding 200' away into our basement holding tank, and letting the outbuilding's pump supply our system. Unfortunately, the female to female hose coupling we used to do this last year was nowhere to be found, and I was left standing in the dark, holding two hose-ends next to each other which couldn't be joined.

I knew I could just go to bed and buy a coupling in the morning, but I was too aggravated for that. You know how sometimes when you can't find a solution, you just keep trying the same stupid thing you know won't work over and over again? I figured, maybe if I just switched the pump off for a while and let it rest, it would re-prime itself somehow when I turned it back on. I did this a few times while I was wrestling with the hoses, and I did it a few more after that plan didn't work out.

While I was crouching under the house scratching my butt in indecision, I noticed that the holding tank had a bicycle-tire-type air valve at the top. "That's weird," I thought. "Maybe there's a reason I'd want to release the air pressure from this thing." So I unscrewed it and pressed down on the pin, watching the tank's pressure gauge drop from five pounds to zero as a bunch of trapped air hissed out.

When I turned the pump on this time, it made a different sort of groaning noise than before. Phlegmatic, spitty, wet-sounding groaning noises. It ran for several minutes and then switched off - fully pressurized! We had water!

Then I noticed another hissing sound. I located it at the supply pipe coming in from the well. Not water spitting out, but air rushing in. When I pressed my hand over a specific part of this pipe, the hissing stopped! There was no visible hole, but clearly there was a microscopic fracture that was letting air back into the system, upstream from the pump. I ran to the garage for some duct tape, wrapped it around this part of the pipe, and then basked in the silence.

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What was happening was this: The pump sucks water from the well. It has a check-valve which is meant to hold the water in place when it switches off, like putting your finger over the top of a straw. Our plumber had been telling us for years that bad check-valves were our problem. Well, this tiny hole was letting air in behind the check valve, so the water was retreating back towards the well as soon as the pump turned off. That's why the pump was working so damn hard, especially when we hadn't used water in a while. It had to suck through all that air before it got another sip of water. Then the air got trapped in the tank and made it even harder for the pump to work.

This has been going on for years. It explains all the spooky haunted-house noises our pipes make, late at night. (And here I thought my grandmother had been haunting us for throwing out her hoard of Christmas wrapping paper.)

The pump's running cooler and quieter now than it ever has, and for the first time ever we have consistent water pressure. Hooray for duct tape!

I suppose I should call my plumber and have him replace the damaged section of pipe. But I'm nervous. I don't know why just this part of the pipe corroded through. The whole length of it back to the well, 120' of it, is made of the same ancient copper or galvanized steel. I'm afraid if we go hacking at it we're just likely to shake something loose further up the line. So I'm inclined to just leave the tape for now, or maybe get some metal repair epoxy. We're dealing with negative pressures here, so anything I put on the pipe to patch it will be pulled inward, making it a much easier proposition for a patch.

Anyway, I'm grateful I was stubborn enough to hang around down there until a solution presented itself. And I'm even more grateful I was able to take a shower after crawling around in the dark under this 70 year old house.

Any plumbers out there in Steemit-land? Any advice for keeping ancient pipes intact until we have the budget for a proper system?

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Sounds like an inexpensive water-level sensor might help prevent dry-pumping. When copper pipes develop pin-hole leaks, it is sometimes a sign of minerals and/or acidity in the water that attacks and corrodes over time. Or it could simply be cheap pipe--when replacing that section, specify thicker-walled stuff, and/or a non-copper tubing. (I notice you have some PEX in one of the photos.) Are you in the southern hemisphere? (You mentioned winter frozen soil in August.)

Well that copper pipe might be 70 years old, and the well-water is untreated, so corrosion is pretty likely. I'm hoping we don't have any leaks where the pipe is inaccessible, but I will probably have to dig it out in the next year or so.

The PEX is from repairs we've done to the pressurized part of the system this year.

We're in the northern hemisphere, in New England. When I got the quote from the well people we were approaching wintertime and I think he was pressuring me to make a sale before the snow started to fly.

Thanks for the good tips and advice!

That's one of the best feelings in the world--when you figure out how to resolve an $8000 home maintenance problem with a piece of duct tape. Trust me, I know that feel!

I'll be doing a bunch of property maintenance with my husband this coming week. Maybe I'll write a Steemit post about it. :-)

Please share!

The Wife and I are king and queen of "make it work for now." Even if we have to do that $8000 repair eventually, at least it gives us time to save for it.

nice work!!

Crawlspaces are always fun lol

Duct Tape is the fifth force.
When I was on the truck I was never without Duct Tape, bungee cords, WD40 and a hammer.
Always keep a hammer (and pliers)

That's a solid survival kit, right there!

that...and coffee...
ready to take on the world.

Well done! My husband can never leave a problem (like yours) unsolved and will not rest until he has found the solution.

I was tempted to let it go until morning, but if I had, I'm not sure I'd have found the solution - too much of the water might have dribbled back into the well.

There are some emergency repair kits available that have a type of rubber tape and a metal sleeve that can be placed over the bad spot. I think that they are held on with hose clamps. It should work pretty good in this case.

Good for you. Figuring out what is wrong is the hard part of most repairs.

Make sure to put the air back into your pressure tank. If you don't have enough air in there it will make your pump come on more frequently. I'm not sure how you are supposed to figure out the right amount of air. When the tank is empty the air pressure should probably be a little below the pump's cut-on pressure.

Oh - that's interesting. I thought the valve was only there to release unwanted air.

The perils of DIY!

Off to Google I go.

The air bubble in the pressure tank gives the water supply system a little reserve capacity so that the pump doesn't have to come on every time you open a faucet for a moment.

Our pump started short-cycling a few years ago and I found that the air bubble had shrunk down to almost nothing. Apparently that is what happens when the internal rubber bladder gets a hole in it. The air dissolves in the water until the bubble is too small to do its job.

Pumping it up with a bicycle pump once a month fixed the problem temporarily. The inside of the pressure tank isn't galvanized, so it eventually rusted through and started to leak.

Good luck.

Short cycling doesn't seem to be an issue yet, but now I know what to try if it happens.

Our tank looks pretty severely rusted, so that might be the next thing to replace (if we don't go for the full submersible pump solution). Our regular plumber is a pretty low-key guy, and when I asked him if we should have replaced it when we put in the last pump, he just shrugged and said, "Meh, it seems to be working all right for the time being."

At least now I have a better idea of what it's doing!

How Macgyver of you....just imagine what more you could do if u had some gum and an swiss army knife!

Sometimes I feel like my whole house is held together by tape and gum!

Ohhhh plumbing. My least favorite type of home repair to do. And the repair is always needed at the most inconvenient time possible.

I too have a damp musty crawl space which I've had to work on more times than I care to count. I hate going down there...

I'd replace all the copper with PEX. IF you've already had one pinhole leak, you're certain to soon have more and they won't be in a convenient place to patch as the last one.