Grace without Works! Do these two concepts stand alone or must they work in tandem? What is missing?

in howtobesaved •  6 years ago 

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This from a recent post on Voat/theAwakening of an article I wrote on the Zuck!

If you haven't read or skimmed it, here is the link and it is what this posters comment was an off shoot from.

https://steemit.com/news/@artistiquejewels/dorsey-tells-a-story-of-zuckerberg-killing-a-goat-then-serving-it-for-dinner-he-used-to-kill-only-what-he-eats-is-there-any

Now the poster put what I wrote in a prior comment to one of his responses, then he gave his input. I will put my comments in in line text to differentiate his words from mine for this section.

Posters comment,

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

YOU WROTE:

What you say all bears consideration. Perhaps Mark is indeed just trying to be a part of all that. I have seen a few documentaries on urban dwellers who try to get out and away from it all. Of course many of them have bought into the global warming issue and feel they are doing better by using less resources. Now if you take the politics out of it, I don't have any problem with people being better stewards of the earth. It IS admirable if it is feasible for them.

I fully respect your stance on this...and calling attention to it. All I'm saying is that this particular 'information' does not, in and of itself, support the argument that MZ slaughtered goats as a form of 'sacrifice'. As you suggest, MZ just might be a Kabbalist. I don't know. And I don't really care. I know him by his fruits. He has contributed to one of the most damaging things that has befallen mankind. Facebook profits by destroying intimacy and engendering ambiguity and separation. As Sam Vaknin says, "Either you are intimate...or you're on Facebook."

The platform has come to prominence through more 'free advertising' than anything in human history. It 'employs' (actually enslaves) its users. Users provide all of the content (except for the advertising that is found on Facebook...which is 'funded' by content providers -- in the form of selling their data to advertisers who pay handsomely for the information). All so-called, misnamed social media represent the first time in history that content providers toil without compensation to fill the pockets of platform providers.

Yes. There is an 'invisible' spiritual hierarchy 'behind' all of it. And that hierarchy must be fought in that realm.

YOU WROTE:

What gives me pause for Mark I'm sorry to say, Is the fact that it's a goat. Yes, people Do raise goats for meat. I've been around goats, their personality is so sweet and they are over all good creatures. They'll eat cloth and everything, but they are very social. Couldn't imagine eating one, but I also couldn't imagine eating the cute little piggies, but my family Does eat meat. I can't and don't judge people for eating certain things, I just don't ever eat goat. I would if I had to.

There is 'something special' about our reticence regarding the consumption of meat (especially from 'mammal sources'). The mammals seem to be 'most like us'. Instead of, "Yuk. No. I can't eat that," I am more grateful that these 'kindred creatures' have worked for me -- processing food that I cannot process (e.g. grasses) into consumable, nourishing food. Amazing!

At the moment, nearly all of my consumption is flesh -- beef, chicken, pork, fish, venison, and some clams...I eat the fat and some organ meat (calf liver and kidneys). I am just starting to do some subsistence farming, and more hunting and fishing. I 'process' and eat what I kill, and I respect the meat that is slaughtered 'for me' by others. If my garden is successful this year, I will probably sell most of the veggies to support my 'meat addiction'.

YOU WROTE:

At any rate. . .during old Testament times sacrifices Were required, but then who came to put a end to that? Jesus, He was the ultimate sacrifice. The bridge between God and man after man chose the deception of the deceiver could have thrown His hands up and said, "you've made your choice, but He didn't!

Jesus put an end to sacrificial slaughter (offered for sin), but not to sustenance slaughter. I haven't found anything in the New Testament that speaks to an inappropriateness of meat consumption. (And, as you know, the priests in olden times consumed the meat remaining after animal sacrifice. Lev. 6:26)

YOU WROTE:

Ephesians 2:8

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”

Does the Talmud or Kabbalah line up with what God says? You can track that down yourself and likely already have.

The Talmud-Kabbalah is based in works...as I understand it. Still, I won't throw the baby out with the bath water. In James Chapter 2 I read: 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Good works follow faith...the source is faith. We don't 'get faith' through works. An old preacher once gave me his version of what James was saying: "It's no use being so heavenly minded that we are of no earthly good."

Indeed, we cannot work our way to peace. Peace is Grace. Call me crazy, but I think everything is the gift of God -- even the things that we suppose are 'bad'.

From Isaiah 45:

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Psalm 46:10

Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Best wishes. Be well. Peace to you and yours.

My Response,

Interesting! It always appears to pose a problem doesn't it? For by grace are ye saved through faith. . . Yet faith is dead without works.

The constant Is faith. Neither come without it do they?

Saved by grace, yet how can we all discern lies from truth? It is manifested through works, people's deeds and words.

So far in Menlo Park. . .no deeds and words signaling God in that sad place where they are likely Soon to be unseated and replaced by those who will not use the platform for satan anymore.

 

Is everything a gift. . . or does a gift come from the test. . .or at least a strengthening through faith that what is occurring will bring about good, but faith Must remain?

Concerning gratitude for evil, I'm not saying you're wrong, I have to give it a lot of thought. . .In everything give thanks for this is the will of God, yet. ..

How to reconcile with Psalm 97:10-12

10 Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

11 Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.

12 Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

Does it cause us to keep seeing God's righteousness up against the blatant evil and continue to give thanks?

 

It appears that though God is the creator of all things including evil He hates it,

Proverbs 8:13

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the perverse mouth, do I hate.

It appears, we are to hate evil too.

Romans 12:9

Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Amos 5:5

Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

So do we Thank God for the Evil or for the Test?

Isaiah 26:3-5

Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
4Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:
5For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust.

 

So is it not really heaven, but God we should be keeping our minds on? Concerning the preacher's comment,

"It's no use being so heavenly minded that we are of no earthly good."

After all it is Not really heaven that is our goal, not the fire insurance. . .but rather the hope that is in Christ Jesus. I get what he meant but can't help but think of this.

He didn't save us for the sake of heaven, which I'm sure you already know that, but rather to glorify Him.

Isn't that we are only of earthly good, by our trust in Heavenly as I realize he meant Godly things.

Isaiah 26:3

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.”

Trust. . .obey God's leadership and won't He direct our paths? Shouldn't we Not have to worry about the path to take If we are trusting?

Proverbs 3:3-8

Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

People on earth will not always like it, but That was God's purpose and all that is evil is constantly in opposition to this concept as satan failed to continuously glorify God and opted out with a rebellion. Satan's goal is to make us view glorifying God in the same manner as he does. . .fight against it, degrade it and God's goodness, try to get humans to choose selfishness or pretenses of goodness through virtue signaling.

James 1:21 says,

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

I know the pastor surely means well, sadly so do many others who have signed that agreement with Baal, the501c3. They all whether knowingly or being duped, have to keep the front up. The one that straddles a fence and mixes and mingles with the world. I am not saying this pastor does or did that, I do not know him and cannot speak for his daily actions.

I have simply watched pastors with good hearts and good intentions not speak All of the truth from that pulpit because they are tied down by that agreement they signed which literally works out to 30 pieces of silver for some tax break. Should they and the church be trusting God to provide rather than a bribe that appeared to control shortly after that first Bilderberg group met?

Is Peace grace? I'm genuinely asking and want to know,

This verse gives me pause,

I Thessalonians 5:3

“For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

I tell people to be safe all the time, so am not suggesting peace or safety wished to others is bad as I know Patriots and those on the side of Good mean it for good, Not the same for the other side though.

This verse reminds me of the Front the UN poses because Peace and Safety were part of their theme back around 2017.

We all know they are part of the Beast system and simply pose to being doing "good works" and protecting others, when they are Only protecting the establishment and their evil system of control.

Thanks for writing. Interesting thought provoking ideas. Godspeed!

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