Steem + True Flip = Easy Lottery?

in idea •  7 years ago  (edited)

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First introduced by @ash a couple of months ago, the simple idea of a fair blockchain-based lottery stood out to me like a sore thumb. Just like STEEM's simplicity, @trueflip could work well together with this platform. To reinforce that, I've also noticed that the team behind @trueflip has chosen Steemit instead of Medium as their blogging and community engagement platform. And they're even running a contest just for Steemit users - check it out here. Seems like there's a good case to be made. Let me explain why, after this video of their ongoing ICO:-

It's a working product.

Just like STEEM, True Flip is something that is already functioning in the blockchain space. Scalable or not, a good enough community and a simple, universal idea will make it easier for any modifications and upgrades in the future.

Full transparency and fairness.

All lottery ticket sales, results, reward distribution, and organisation's financial health are on the blockchain. I'm not an expert here, but seeing that I'm taking the team's word for it, I hope more people do check their stuff out. Seems fine to me with my limited experience. Again, it's such a simple idea that it's easy to trust as much as it is relatively easier to audit.

Anyone can play.

It doesn't matter who you are, or where you come from. Well, this will only be doubly true if the network is decentralised and matured enough over time to render any state influence useless. Anyone should be able to participate in lotteries if they want to, as long as they can pay for the ticket.

Automated simplicity.

As far as I know, lottery purchases and participation can be automated on True Flip. This is perfect. In any case, if you enjoy the game-like part of the lottery, you can even guess your numbers without having that part of the decision-making process automated. Number guessing is pure luck so I'd just choose to have full automation. But if you think you're great at number guessing, by all means, make your guesses and have fun!

Symbiotic relationship.

I think Steem is a great place to house and fuel any other blockchain communities for added external value streams. Well, it could be a total waste of Steem resources if chances somehow favour non-Steemit users most of the time. Maybe a better kind of blockchain community to fuel an online retail business, but that's added complexity for community participation that requires more deliberation. For a no-brainer, I think every blockchain community should dedicate small portions of their budget in fair blockchain lotteries like @trueflip. A lottery is simply a background process in society that funnels wealth from voluntary contributions into large amounts enough to change somebody's life (hopefully for the better). A wildcard, black swan. @trueflip seems built for massive adoption, and Steem seems very suitable for reasons more than one. Add to the fact that the Steem platform is one of the most widely used blockchains on the planet at the moment, and still growing.

Also, I've always thought that blockchain projects should use Steem as their platform of choice. As someone who owns multiple tokens, the aligned incentives for contributing and sharing relevant stuff when it comes to tokenised projects could in turn improve his stakes. However, this may be better tested when Steemit rolls out its sub-communities feature as it could better encourage active engagement / contribution / participation.

Steem for lottery access (or in general, access-to-services).

The beauty of Steem is that as a community, we get to determine the network's value allocation on the fly through upvotes and downvotes, around the clock. There are a couple of angles to this:-

  • Steemit users can easily transfer Steem / Steem Dollar to @trueflip (don't do this yet!) to purchase their lottery tickets. Maybe Steem memo could even work as a way to "circle out" the numbers for @trueflip's powerball-type lottery. There may be other types, and I'm not too sure what the plans are in detail.

or better..

  • @trueflip can put up a post each day for community contribution through upvotes, and in turn, the payout will be used for lottery ticket purchase through the @trueflip account with some unique identifiers. Total rewards for every lottery cycle can be distributed according to our voting shares. @trueflip doesn't have the be the only gateway for its lottery, but it's a good start. Not much of a lottery player, but I think it's a decent use of Steem Power, at least as a gaming option.

or maybe way better..

  • Any Steem accounts can automate and dedicate a portion % of their earnings into lottery purchase on True Flip, whenever there's enough to buy the ticket. Not sure how this can be done technically, but you get the picture. A simple 1% for an everyman's jackpot is something worth considering, in my opinion. Thinking about it, it would seem that this feature can also be applied to any other miner rewards in other cryptocurrencies, so I guess this is not a special case for Steem. It remains that Steem's specialty is in its posting and voting mechanism as a convenient approach for access to valuable services. I'm sure there are some other creative ways that are more beneficial for the ecosystem. Fill in the blanks..

Steem community co-ownership with True Flip tokens

Not sure if we're any near yet, but ICO / token purchase using Steem transfer, especially community voting - presents a convenient way to have a stake in any other blockchain projects. It would be ideal then if Steem wallets could somehow be part of a decentralised exchange as well. Pretty sure there are many different ways to go about this. The main point is to utilise Steem's capabilities to improve relations with any other blockchain projects in very tangible ways.

But that's just a suggestion, anyone can participate in the ongoing ICO at the moment if they wish to do so. There's just no easy way to do it directly from Steem at the moment, which may be especially important if you're an active user around here. It just makes life easier if Steem supports easy purchase and storage of other tokens.

Conclusion

Steem enables easy participation and its symbiosis with True Flip will enable anyone to get into lotteries conveniently. Steem could have its own lottery game as well without the various management fees, but True Flip represents a way larger rewards pool with its own community of developers / marketers that it may represent a value-added stream that goes both ways. Applied more universally, one can begin to understand how Steem can bridge itself with any other valuable services / tokens / communities with similar activity and reward mechanisms that extend out of the game of pure luck that we find in lotteries. Value exchange across many tokenised communities with external value streams is one of the keys for Steem's growth. I just happen to think that True Flip is worth considering due to its simplicity and potential upside.

Or you know, any Steemit users can just head over to their website to purchase the lottery tickets there, but some kind of bridge like what I've mentioned in this post is just way more awesome for the community around here. I may be off about a lot of things here, but I just felt like throwing this idea out there.

Resources

  1. True Flip: https://trueflip.io/

  2. ICO and token functionality: https://ico.trueflip.io/

  3. ICOrating report: http://icorating.com/project/102/True-Flip

  4. True Flip's Steemit Challenge: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@trueflip/the-challenge


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Isn't most crypto-mining a form of lottery too? Well, maybe not if you said the miners have to "work" for it. But Burstcoin mining certainly is a lottery!

Is that how Burstcoin works? Yea mining is lottery-like just that its not the distribution of resource through a pool of contributions (edit: oh wait, it's about the same, just different type of distribution / contribution.. my bad)

I see that steemit is slowing developing into a platform that encompasses various types of services: money lending, and of course gaming. Revolutionizing the game industry is a small step towards the right direction even though i don't particularly approve gaming in general. I look forward to the day where we can actually purchase real goods and services such as food, a hair cut, etc. There's a high chance that steem maybe compared to bitcoin as the money used for illicit activities. Nonethless, having some development in creating awareness of steemit is always better none.

My 2 cents worth!

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I've only been on Steemit less than two weeks and everything here is very new to me. I am so amazed at all of the unusual ways that money is played with in this economy.

I came here to post my weight loss and health information but in the last days I have been trying to read posts that explain the concepts about the crypto scene. I have never dipped my toe in here before.

The lottery idea is way off my radar normally since it fails so bad in the "real" economy. In that case, the government gets most of the funds and the little people are paying a tax they do not understand. But here? The rules seem different even as I do not yet understand them.

I will take a look at these links and soon get back on track to posting my work (maybe). Thanks for the explanation :)

Yeah I've only played lottery once (or twice?), just because everything about it is behind closed doors pretty much, and it's not so convenient to buy and keep track if i'm getting a reward. What true flip has made can be automated in every sense and shown to be fair and transparent with the blockchain (I'm taking their word for it since I'm not an audit expert). The same goes for the profit-sharing part of the token holders.

I think shifting our time from other social platforms to steemit may help out with understanding the crypto scene. Good to know you're finding it all interesting :)

Yes, I'm trying to drag my son in here to help me. I know he understands it from friends who are in it. I had the blinders on until now. But the money and the google visibility make my very glad I tried this. I'm absolutely amazed by all the technicality and the fact that it is so open. I did accounting for years and this is light years away different.

I really like the @trueflip platform.

It would be genuis to implement a massive lottery idea, could be very viral for a random steemit member to win like 10k every week

Haha as mentioned, definitely beneficial to the community here if chances are, we tend to win the lottery. Or else the ticket fees are just going to external accounts. Well that's assuming if people aren't already using the platform in the near future if steem ends up being the social currency layer on the internet :)

Very informative post. Thanks so much for sharing it. I think what I like most about it is how transparent this type of lottery can be. Unlike most lotteries, you have a somewhat of good idea who the participants are and how much money is being contributed.

Maybe the steem part is a bad idea since lottery winners should stay anonymous (which is what true flip is doing on their side). But i guess there can be implementations that make it possible.

That's actually a good point. I think there should be option to disclose your true identity or keep it hidden. That would be a significant benefit over traditional lotteries where the winners are normally publicly revealed.

Will true flip be issuing it own tokens during the ICO or it will use steem token for the lottery payout? And also is true flip built on steem blockchain? Am just confused and would like to know if this is an investment advice

Haha the steem part is just an idea im putting forth. True flip has nothing to do with steem other than having their blog on steemit. Well maybe theyll consider steem and its use cases after coming across this post :)

Oh really!! Decentralizing the lottery industry will be a huge standoff considering government involvement with lotteries, they make fortune (tax payers money) from lottery and will do everything to keep it centralized. Blockchain is symbol of liberty and freedom given to the world by Nakamoto Satoshi.
God bless that gentleman

thanks @kevinwong for sharing this. i have been lurking their website as a friend told me about their ico, i couldn't get their coin through the ico, it makes me feel relaxed that you shared this.

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Sounds like a good idea and definitely interesting concept to hear, but in what way you think they should be transparent? Should they use a jurist to see if the lottery itself will go in the right way? Or a live stream of the lottery? It's hard to show people it's a trust able company to buy tickets from.

That being said it's very interesting that a lot less of the money will get in the owners pockets.

Yeah you have a point there about getting users to trust what they claim to be a trustworthy and fair lottery. Its on the blockchain and its open sourced so people would have to rely on the words of those who can audit the whole thing. Which is why i think a simple lottery like that would have a lower barrier when it comes to consumer trust

That's right also, of course all can be checked how much money comes in and how much the people get when they win. But on the other hand they got a lot of budget to make it big (by the ICO) and when it earns good money pull the plug (for the fact it's hard to track people down). But on the other hand u have to believe in the best of people

What a great idea! Rather then tossing my $$ at state lottos (which I rarely do) it seems like using steem to play benefits the platform in many ways. Grows the ecosystem, provides opportunities to share the wealth, and the decentralized nature removes it from the TPTB. 🐓I wanted to thank-you for stopping by..😉 This is resteemable!

All the lotteries, i had ever played i have won none, everytime i think this lottery is different and i can win it but never the results are different. But still lotteries are always attractive place of earning some thing for me so i will definitely take part in this as well and will share the results when one is there after my participation, wish me luck every body.

It would be pretty cool if this was integrated into steem but the thing is I don't really do much gambling or enter any lotteries but I guess I might give this one a shot as it seems pretty transparent and my odds would be better compared to a national scale.
I'll have a look at their stuff and see how everything works.
Thanks Kevin

Yeah I'm not much of a gambler / lottery person too. But if there's an option for me to automate a small slice, like even 0.1% of my earnings into a random transparent and fair lottery that'll benefit someone else, i'd quite likely do it :). Their powerball lottery also seems to be structured to have a slightly better chance of winning than the traditional ones.

Sounds interesting. Every new project that is blockchain based attracts me to a certain degree. It might be the novelty of decentralization, that still amazes me like a child watching a balloon.

Thanks for the input @kevinwong !

@KevinWong Appreciate Your sharing and I'll look into more of the details for True Flip, looks interesting. Thanks Again Kevin for the Heads-Up !!

Hope You're having a Good Weekend !!

I think it's a decent coin with value. Well it'll depend on adoption and sales of those tickets..

I personally do not buy lotteries. If it is a symbiotic relationship which can benefit both Steemit and True Flip, it is worth considering. I really like your second idea of having a True Flip post where Steemians can upvote and the earnings used to buy lotteries. I really think that this idea will really take off.

There may be better use cases for our votes, but yeah it's a simple idea with a good upside for the community :)

There are always trade offs. Let the individual decides then the best use of his votes.

This is great that STEEM is getting involved in so many different projects! Steemit is a growing community, and with that, we have more innovative ideas coming every day. I look forward to seeing the future changes that this brings, along with many other positive changes to come. Thanks for sharing :)

Too many ideas. not enough developers xD

bro they should really do this, integrating it into steemit would be epic, though I could definitely see myself losing alot more money to lotteries this way xD

I guess if one is able to allocate like 1% of their earnings to accumulate enough for lottery ticket and automate the entire process in the background, that's kinda awesome I think. Just set and forget :P

Huh. I had no idea. I think the exposure that this would provide let alone the benefits would be great. I'm open to it and a bit confused but will def take the time to explore it more. Thank you for opening my eye's and pointing me in the right direction.

Dang! Thanks for sharing. I had no idea that blockchain lottery was a thing. I do like the idea of full transparency and that it is owned by the community. :) I'm like you, not super into lottery, but the concept is cool! I might just have to buy one. :)

Try it out , i like their casual cartoony visual design as well - could do well overall =)

That's a great idea. "You can't win if you don't play." I'm not the gambling type tho.

Voluntarily assigning 0.1% earnings to a global raffle doesn't sound like much of a gamble.. haha i don't do much of it too, just i think it presents something pretty low-barrier since it can be automated with full knowledge that the game is not manipulated :)

I think it will do well. That's what is great about this platform. Still new enough to invent.

I actually think this is a good idea. Don't know if the timing is right though, since there are still a whole lot of people that don't know about blockchain yet.

I'll be keeping an eye out for this ICO. Thanks for sharing!

There are fiat-crypto bridges. Adoption is tricky but I think big lottery prizes plus ability to participate in a peer to peer fashion could do wonders :)

Yes i like lotteries and reckon there could be a lot of small ones here to get some wealth out into the community

All good ideas connecting and making it easier with steemit. You buy some ICO's from flip, I am a gamblin man lol

Hoping to score some from their contest as well :) pretty good crypto prize lol

Cool idea! I think the only way I would give it a try though is if they paid out in steem and get a good reputation on steemit.

Would actually flip itself will issue tokens for ICO or will use to payments the lottery token steem? And also true flip is built on the steem blockchain? I am confused and would like to know if this is investment advice, and I expect this to be as good as good.

True flip has nothing to do with steem other than having their blog on steemit. I'm just putting an idea for bridging so steem users can get into their lottery easily. Check out their website, I'm not endorsing anything here, it's up to those interested to do their research :)

Very interesting idea - Looking in this.

Wow truflip joining the party hee and offering great incentives will surely make many steemians happy. @kevinwong

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Blockchain is disrupting many industries/markets. Allowing them to become more fair, transparent and effecient. Thank you for this rich article. Great work kev.

Using earned steem to buy lottery tickets would be awesome!

Looks like a cool shit coin. :)

Resteemed iwant to read this more later.

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I want to know more about the lottery?

I’ve also posted a review of the True Flip ICO, if you’d care to take a look.

Thanks for the info you posted !

@KevinWong Perfect timing to get this idea on the block-chain ,, the change is coming and its already changing life

Sounds like an awesome idea
I can't wait to try this out
Thanks for posting

This all seems very interesting! Can't wait what the future will have to offer :)

I have jumped on the ocean of steem and expecting better. :)

Thank you for sharing

The info. Seems so interesting .I am new to steemit so everything seems to be an exploring area for me . And specially the roll of economy and how the money is being earned here.

A great addition to the community!

love the video editing ! very insightful, will look into true flip:)

Looks like more transparent and secure way of gambling. With a massive growth of blockchain it will replace existing gambling platforms.
I think it has potential. Even though i don't gamble because it's random and you lose in a long run due to fees.
Have a great weekend Kevin :D

Eh, I'm not really good with lottery stuff :\ and i just can't comprehend bit coins at the moment.

useful info, great post!

A good idea @kevinwong will check it out

Very interesting writing, there is much science that can be cited, there is a lot of information that needs to be followed up. Writing like this is very dear not to be studied, because this is a valuable science.

Let me through it.. Thanks for the information, Love to see more of this great ideas on Steemit.. Resteemed

Ok I will test this night, Thanks @kevinwong

Very awesome information, great new steps
For developing steemit
Hope keep learning for do the best here

Taking lottery to the blockchain. This could be an interesting thing to happen.
Like to see how it plays out.

really nice information, thanks

I am not into gambling or lottery so probably won't use this but if I were THIS is how I would want to do it. This is really cool and one of the MANY ways blockchain and crypto technologies are improving the world drastically!
Nice post brotha!

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amazing post @kevinwong

ok . super

Thanks for bringing this up dear @kevinwong ! I was not aware of same, will surely check it out!
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Interesting : )

We'll check it out, new projects it's good!

Oh this looks interesting. Other than lottery, i am sure steem also have pretty nice symbiosis with DECENT :-)

Cool beans! Wouldn't mind trying this given its transparency and simply to support steemit in its expansion into different territories :))

That said, I'm not much of a gambler or a lottery player. I once put in 20 euros into a scratch-and-win card, slot machines, and a lotto ticket in Italy, and got

Great post you r doing awesome work

True flip sounds interesting 👍🏼

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Wow crowd lottery idea is stellar haha!