out of resource credits reason @maxsieg asked me to post this on behalf of him:
from what sketchy place did you buy your quran from?
my quran says:
und kaempfet fuer allahs sache gegen jene die euch bekaempfen, doch ueberschreitet das mass nicht, denn allah liebt nicht die masslosen
und toetet sie wo immer ihre auf sie stosst und vertreibt sie von dort von wo sie euch vertrieben; denn verfolgung ist aerger als totschlag. bekaempft sie aber nicht bei der heiligen moschee, solange sie euch dort nicht angreifen. doch wenn sie euch angreifen dann kaempft wider sie; das ist vergeltung fuer die unglaeubigen.
So 2:190-191 its saying if you get persecuted or attacked then fight against it, but do not over do it.
3:151 is basically saying if you worship other gods besides allah you will burn in hell fire, which is a common theme through out the book that is constantly emphasized.
my book has a footnote for 4:89 sayin tht with they, they mean
An beiden stellen ist von heuchler die rede die sich als gute muslims ausgaben, im ernstfall die sache der muslims an den feind verrieten.
so people pretending to be muslim but make fellow muslims act in wrong ways like they do. so in other words kill people like ISIS?
5:33 of my quran says "fight" as in "wage war". so I guess dont wage war and destruction against allah? I guess that kind of can be connected to 2:190-191.
The first muslims were facing persecution. so when they chose to fight 8:7-12 reffers to the badr battle where it rained and the ground beneath the persecutors from mecca became slippery.
8:39 persecution again. the note in my book says
die muslims sollen nur so lange mit den waffen verteidigen, wie die unglaeubigen ihnen freie ausuebung ihrer religion verwehren
So again fight when persecuted. stop after. the verse before that was even talking about forgiveness towards unbelievers but shouldnt matter to you cuz ur jewish right so believer.
8:60 is talking about a folk that betrayes a treaty but you would have to read the 2 verses before that aswell to see. you just pulled that one out of context which is a technique used by extremists on both sides of conflict to either install fear of justify very bad actions.
9:5 is a bit more complicated as it involves a complicated history and is therefore not valid in todays day and age. I would have wished a foot note in my quran here though.
The verse (9:5) is one of the most misquoted by opponents who want to paint the Islamic faith negatively.
9:29: about war against an attackor and only against those who attack. if you attack first then you are a unbeliever.
9:111-112 i believe in the one he clarifies that allah gave u all so you should stand up for allah and forbid evil doing but forgive if they regret.
9:123 again agressors fighting against muslims
47:4 about war against aggresors again
wenn ihr (in der schlacht) auf die stosset, die unglaeubig sind, trefft (ihre) nacken, und wenn ihr sie ueberwaeltigt habt, dann schnueret die bande fest. hernach dann entweder gnade oder loesegelt, bis der krieg seine waffen niederlegt. das ist so und allah haette es gewollt, er haette sie selbst strafen koennen, aber er wollte die einen von euch von den anderen pruefen. und die jenigen die auf allahs weg getoetet werden- nie wird er ihre werke zunichte machen
conclusion
i must say that the book also repeats over and over again that believers never start a war, but if you are attacked then you should fight the aggressor or flee, and allah would help. i believe there are similar things said in the torrah and the jews that jews would overcome all enemies? but notice it keeps saying believer. all those verses where it says unbelievers are not about killing christians or jews.
Jews used to be discriminated against by christians and muslims but i think christians were worse. i believe also the catholic church helped hitler get to power. shouldnt you be more scared of catholics i feel like they are a more scary organization.
Both Islam and Catholicism have taken over large parts of the world through the nastiest of tactics and should be viewed as enemies of freedom.
No I'm not a Jew.
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