GLOBAL COOLING! No, wait... GLOBAL WARMING!! Ah, um... CLIMATE CHANGE!!! Just be afraid & give us more power!

kennyskitchen (72) in informationwar • 7 years ago (edited)

View this post on Hive: GLOBAL COOLING! No, wait... GLOBAL WARMING!! Ah, um... CLIMATE CHANGE!!! Just be afraid & give us more power!

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churdtzu (68) · 7 years ago

Thanks Kenny. When I get into this discussions and people bring up the consensus, I always ask if they've read the consensus studies, and which one they found most convincing. I've got all kinds of answers, but I don't remember ever hearing a simple "yes".

When I had a look at Cook (2016) I noticed that he even misrepresented the findings of his own paper (2013).

The consensus position is articulated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) statement that ‘human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century’

Cook (2016)

Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

Cook (2013)

Apparently there's no need to make a distinction between whether humans are a cause, and humans are the dominant cause.

So Cook is really questionable. A lot of newspapers used to cite Doran and Zimmerman, which seemed to have a very questionable methodology where they surveyed over a thousand scientists, then threw out all but 77 of the surveys. So it's hard to say that they weren't just counting the hits and ignoring the misses.

Then, even if we do assume they got it right... the consensus is just that humans have an effect on the climate, but in the media it's portrayed as a consensus on catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

The whole thing stinks.

The other thing people love to say is, better safe than sorry, which I call the Pascal's wager of climate change. If there's even a small chance that it's right, better to prepare for it. Or worse, they say if we're not absolutely sure that it's not going to happen, we need to prepare for it... Coincidentally, that was almost the same line Ben Affleck used in Batman vs Superman that made us all realise that we were watching a stinker.

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steeminganarchy (69) · 7 years ago

Awesome post, Kenny! One thing that really amazes me is when on discussion of this topic, so many people (I'm speaking from personal experience) will use the term "believe".

"Do you believe in climate change?" It's simply a belief based on information people have passively digested from various media sources. They don't put any time or attention into logically analyzing anything.

Also, I heard someone I know use the term "climate disruption", which made me laugh out loud hysterically. Have you heard that term?

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wallpaperflower (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for this post. It illustrated in dept what I have always felt hence why I would never get into a debate with the nonsense spread by climate change activist.

YES !! THE CLIMATE IS ALWAYS CHANGING !! "As is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm" - Probably the only words I utter towards a global warmer :D

From a philosophical perspective, I see the Hegelian dialectic been played out here again while maintaining the corporate status quo ..

On a more sarcastic note, shall the government & corporation be taxing our exhale as we build up carbon dioxide?

Thoughts of the moment provoked but what I read above , had to share ...:P

Look forward to next post!

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hajijah36 (53) · 7 years ago

Overall, my takeaway is...

"Climate Change" is a non sequitur and impartial statement to control human patterns of behavior. CIA tactic used over and over again. Like "Conspiracy Theory". Bland terms to control the population response to them.
CO2 not bad for planet. Too much CO2 or too much Oxygen or too much Hydrogen bad for balance of atmosphere and life. Too little does the same. Healthy balance means all parts of biosphere operate in equitable energy exchange and create perfect habitats for the life within the container.
Forever humans will be subject to bench pressing logic until they are crushed by the weight...

My response and a small discourse:
Desertification of planet is real and measurable and results from several things, mostly if not all man made...
a. damming rivers, piping water, and human consumption patterns of water create rapid decrease in available water for the trees. Trees exoevaporate water which creates cloud cover, which creates rain. Trees cannot do this when they have no root water supply. So trees die, clouds do not form, rain does not fall, soil dries and biotic life within dies under the sun. Sun parching waterless soil...turns to hard cracked earth... turns to sand. Deserts.
b. Release of freeon and other very potent CO2 emitters do create an effect upon the ozone, which when depleted intensifies the radiation from the sun, which then creates a rapid acceleration of desertification.
c. Cities do not absorb the radiation from the sun as the earth does, but rather it is reflected. The vast metropoles developing around the planet create hubs of reflected rays that create greater effect upon the upper atmospheric condition.
d. Manipulation of farming practices... Monsanto/bayer creates topsoil depletion. Topsoil Depletion leads to acceleration of the desertification.

Great Article...

One last thing is the Electro-Magnetic radiation effects produced with systems like HAARP. BE-aWARE the ionosphere manipulation!

Infinite Blessings!

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kennyskitchen (72) · 7 years ago

1 & 2 I think you nailed it, #3 I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

a-d are going to be in part 2, when I go over the actual things humans are doing to damage the environment (basically none of which are ever addressed by "environmentalists")

Thanks brother!

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worldistro (52) · 7 years ago

Have you ever seen the movie "The Man From Earth"?
There is a statement made about benchpressing logic.
It goes hand in hand woth Universal Truth and Individual perception based Truth.
Logic is the ordering of thought (creating order of the thoughts)
There is Universal Logic, which inevitably and always disintegrates or eats itself and individual perception based Logic.
One leads out of pholosophy, one tends the philosophers gardens.
When we benchpress Logic, it means this...

We push (put attention) upon wrapping and organizing thoughts around a thing, and when it doesn't work we will continue to perform this action, rather than alter our method of approach on fundamental levels.
Understanding things from the perspective of more than ones individual self is a practice that exceeds logic and dives directly into experiential awareness.

When the Earth has no more trees, humans will look around and attempt to inderstand logically what happened and why they are dying. As hunger kicks in, more will see through the eyes of direct experience. When death kicks in all will see beyond individualized logic and the Universal Truth and Universal Logic will settle in upon their minds... the organism that is us needs not confirmation or reputation, only observation and appreciation.

It is the difference between fighting something and watching something until it crumbles under itself.

One person looks at their self and says I am the product of evolution.
Another says I am the product of God.
Another says I am the product of God, created as I am through evolution.
Another says, God is evolution.
Another says, if i am a part of evolution, and evolution is God, thus it could not be as it is if I were not... then I am God.
Another says, if evolution is God, then everything in existence is God.
Another says that if that is True, then my parents are God and I am a product of God.

Infinite Blessings Family!

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sauna (46) · 7 years ago

Yeah, it's always been a big joke. The most common defense I hear climate change advocates using is; "the science is done", we need to do something! Carbon tax! I say that only an idiot sticks up his hand to be taxed some more. A tax never solved anything.

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kevinsarpei (40) · 7 years ago

When I click on the Time Magazine link regarding global cooling:
Screenshot - 16_08.png

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kennyskitchen (72) · 7 years ago

Works just fine for me. It's just an image of that article.

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kevinsarpei (40) · 7 years ago

Just tried to archive it:

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kevinsarpei (40) · 7 years ago

And as the comment above shows, it didn't work. It worked in July though:

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tribesteemup (68) · 7 years ago

That's really weird because that link works for me on both laptop & phone. What country are you in?

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kevinsarpei (40) · 7 years ago

Germany, but I'm using a VPN (Czech Republic). What I find weird is that archive.org seems to have the same problem - maybe it's using a VPN too?

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kennyskitchen (72) · 7 years ago

Could be. I just re-hosted the image and fixed the link in the article.

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shan.mirza (43) · 7 years ago

Good information global

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nutritree (1) · 7 years ago

Http://climate.news

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minnowsupport (70) · 7 years ago

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gduran (70) · 7 years ago

As I am not a scientist I think my ideas have little value, but I would think humans are at least partially guilty for climate change, I have seen places get hotter just by paving a highway that runs through them, why wouldn't all the emissions have an effect on climate? In any case these pollutants are bad, even if it doesn't impact the planet with climate change. Now what really makes me wonder is, if say climate change or a spherical earth are just fake "facts" that are developed to trick people, just what is in it for the people who make these things up. You know I don't think the really powerful people who control most economic activity on this planet gain anything by promoting an idea that basically says that what they have been doing (Remember these guys are supposed to own most of the industrial outputs of most countries) is bad. I don't think they would do that. So is it the scientists and researchers who promote the false ideas? They are probably the ones who gain money for their research programs, like NASA. What do you think is behind theses supposedly false agendas?

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c0ff33a (72) · 7 years ago

That's a comprehensive peace of writing, I'm really impressed with the level of detail and research put in. I'm going to have to read through it again in the morning to leave a bigger comment, too much for me to take in late at night in one sitting!

#thealliance #witness

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frogman18 (48) · 7 years ago

I was going to write a blog on this subject myself, but you have made such a good job that it puts my draft effort to shame. I must have a ramble through your blog as it seems we have like minds.

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eco-alex (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

isnt it ironic that in this time of access to information and data no one can say for sure what climate change is, will be, or is caused by,, if anything. Part of the reason for this is because the science is very complicated, and much of it poorly understood. They dynamics and mechanics of a global weather system with so many potential affecters and positive inputs and feedbacks, combined with the amount of disinformation both sides means its nigh on impossible for any one to say what is really going on. How can we find the truth when we have No idea which facts we are relying on are made up, and which are an honest true representation of the current situation. Personally I don't trust any data that I see on this subject, on either side of the argument because people are lying everywhere!

With that in mind, plus the very real and obvious effects of air pollution using coal and oil which cause millions of deaths per year worldwide.. are enough for me to ere on the side of caution.. . that is to say that i advise we all get onto clean energy very quickly, and become self sufficient and decentralised. Sooner or later it is going to happen, so we may as well mitigate our risks and start obtaining clean energy and heck, stop pumping out the amount of CO2 that we do can't be a bad thing can it!

When you cant trust anyone, how do you find the truth?

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kennyskitchen (72) · 7 years ago

I'd say it's not ironic, but strategically & systematically planned. As I showed above, many of the claims used to support the climate change movement are known, without a doubt, to be fraud... yet agencies like NASA still publish and spread them as though they were the truth.

In my next portion of this, I'll be covering the actual pollutions that negatively affect the planet in a major way (glyphosate, PCBs, methane from animal farming, CFCs, geoengineering sprays, etc), all of which are vastly more destructive than CO2.

The problem with the "clean energy" movement is that there are currently no clean energy options widely available. Solar is as bad or worse than petroleum, wind is only available in some places and wildly expensive, etc. The answer is not to rape the planet in a cleaner way, but to cut energy use drastically.

Ending war will knock out a huge portion of human waste, ending the corporate control over food will knock out another huge portion, and people taking responsibility to cut their own use gets us to an extremely manageable level.

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eco-alex (73) · 7 years ago

yes i believe you! and for that reason i don't even try to find the truth.. both sides of the story are tainted with lies and we have no way to tell what is what anymore.. so i believe nothing .. and focus instead on our need to reduce our consumption and waste for many reasons.. when that is done we can easily live on solar which i do consider much better than petrolium if for no other reason than air pollution which kills millions each year.. my house is using about 20 watts right now.. and am all for reducing our footprint and being self sufficient!

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terrybrock (71) · 7 years ago

Great points, Kenny! Thank you for doing such a great job explaining what is happening and how such non-scientific methods are being deployed.

Yes, it is about political and economic power-grabbing, not science for so many of these people. Let's embrace science, not "beliefs" and what is going on today. Thank you very much for the good work you did on this.

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serfspodcast (63) · 6 years ago

Are you guys all serious? Every single one of these arguments and claims has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.skepticalscience.com

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

Every single one of these arguments and claims has been thoroughly debunked.

First off, that doesn't even make any sense. The ClimateGate leaked emails were debunked? The fact that Cook's "study" was dishonest & fraudulent was debunked? The fact that CO2 is required for life was debunked? The fact that the historical temperature data is regularly altered was debunked?

Every one of those things is true, publicly available information...

I guess coming in and just saying "debunked" could be considered some kind of argument, but certainly not a logical or well-argued one. If you want to go through and show me your evidence we can talk, otherwise you've basically said nothing.

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serfspodcast (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

I'm talking about the actual science you're purporting. I mean if we start at the very basics do you agree with the principles behind the greenhouse gas effect?

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

Can you share here what "the principles behind the greenhouse gas effect" are in your understanding? I don't want to agree or disagree with something without being sure we're using the same terms with the same meanings.

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