400! manually curated introduction posts and a huge delegation - A view back at the second week of @welcoming!

benleo (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello @theaustrianguy!

First of all, thanks for the effort you put into the welcoming service! 4 days ago you found my introduction post and helped me boost my start here at steemit. It made me instantly beliveve in Steemit as a wonderful community. Where else would you get so many welcoming messages, and even get paid for making an introduction? I think these posts will boost the number of newcomers to steemit. Just think about the effect when I tell my friends that I made $50 for my introduction post. I should show you a photo!

I am waiting to get my delegated steem back, when I do I will make an delegatin to @welcoming!

1. How many posts should I resteem per day? 10? 15? 20?

I have many times been thinking about unfollowing @welcoming as it overflows my homepage. I would say at maximum 7-10, but not more than three at once, as have been said earlier.

One idea that comes to my mind is to resteem the 7-10 best introductions, and then make a simple post with links to the rest of the posts. (like: These new users is also worth checking out: Abraham link. Benjamin link. Charlie link.) This will give you the opportunity to share more than 10 posts, and give us the opportunity to still follow @welcoming, and upvote new steemers as we do not have to let the frustration over all the new posts from @welcoming make us unfollow @welcoming. This sounds like the top five which also is posted, but it is not. It would be "The rest of the posts that didnt get resteemed :)

2. Should I also vote on introductions I don't resteem?

I think you also should vote for those you don't resteem, but only the posts you think are "real". (that might be self-evident...) You could do as the idea mention in question 1, and the also upvote those you put in the daily list. If you do not want to make such a list that is understandable, but I think upvotes would be nice either way.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the long and well thought answer :)
I am glad you are one of those I could support and make believe that this is real - I am even more glad to see you are thinking about delegating some power to @welcoming and therefore can help others to receive such a warm welcome as you did!

Of what has been posted so far, I will reduce the number of resteems to max 10 and max 3 per hour or so. Of course I am not a robot, so numbers will be fluctuating. I hope to hit it about right so that nobody feels annoyed by this service!

And I also started upvoting some other good intros with 20% each.

I am not yet sure about making daily post though, will need some more thoughts on that!

Anyways, thx again for the great answer and the though of delegating to @welcoming!

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benleo (43) · 7 years ago

Cool! I am just happy I could help :) I got to wait for my other delegation to get back after the cool down...

Just one more thought: If you start posting with welcoming it would be more easy for people to start auto-voting on welcoming, and therefore give @welcoming more power to vote for new-comers. I love the ability to auto-vote, as that keep my steem power so I may use it for my own as well :)

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

The idea with posting via @welcoming instead of @theaustrianguy is a great idea for various reasons, I will definitely implement that.

I will post about the changes in about 2 hours!
Greets

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juicy-shark (55) · 7 years ago

Thanks so much for the mention @theaustrianguy, i find myself at times the bulk of resteems can sometimes feel out of place / fill up my feed quite quickly. I feel like there should only be say 10 resteems a day from the top 10 you found throughout the day but still go on curating introduction posts like you have and keep spreading that support!!! I feel using a lower vote percentage is a good idea if you will still be going through and curating more posts making sure the voting power is still going to good use.

Also i would also like to spread my thanks to @transisto as well for his massive delegation

Also a little shameless plug but if people would like to check out the witness server i run check that out over Here and consider voting for @cryptwo as a witness

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Thx for the support you do with your delegation <3

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hossainsohag (51) · 7 years ago

i might additionally like to unfold thanks to @transisto as properly for his large delegatio

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

I think you should pay yourself a small salary and buy a delegation with the extra money donated / earned from posts and curation rewards.

Delegation are cheaper than they cost because most people using them often try to abuse of it and get flagged.

I don't think anyone would ever flag your introduction posts, so it would be the best way to make use of extra reward generated.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Will put some thoughts into that, I will let you know when I have come up with an idea of how to or why not ;)

Would also be interesting what others think on this!

I could use half the STEEM made from the weekly updates to rent some more power for example :)

mikepm74 (66) · 7 years ago

Absolutely allow yourself a salary by upvoting your introduction posts! I allow myself one full power self vote a day as my "payment" for trying to use my delegations wisely. We can aim to be altruistic while still reaping a little bit of benefit.

As for renting a delegation, that is entirely up to you and how you want to invest in the future of Welcoming. I have rented delegations a couple of times, and didn't really see that it had much impact on my success or failure as a curator. But that could just be me. Some people find great success with renting delegations. Honestly, I have not looked at it since the SBD run up, so it may be more profitable now than it was when I tried it... I don't think @transisto would steer you wrong. hahah

anotsopopularkid (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Oh man! I wished this had been existing by the time I first wrote my introduction to steemit, but this is a great initiative!

I know I still don't know a lot, but I'll be sharing some thoughts coming from a newbie.

How many posts should I resteem per day? 10? 15? 20?

10 per day seems like a good number already. Given the smaller number, @welcoming will be encouraged to really select the best potentials.

This can even be further divided into time frames depending on how many people manages the account. There can be 2-3 posts resteemed every 6 hour interval. This will allow for more spaces between resteems.

Should I also vote on introductions I don't resteem?

As a newbie, every upvote means a lot. This can be inspiring for us to strive better, and produce higher quality posts. The impact depends, but maybe there can be some criteria in place. Example would be a tiered approach.

[1] Excellent and high potential - Resteem and upvote
[2] Medium to high potential (or maximum resteem reached for the time interval) - upvote
[3] Low to Medium potential - a wink?
Or perhaps some encouragement via comment
[4] Spammish - boo! Downvote. Lol. Just kidding. Maybe some comment to further educate the newbie.

Anyway, just sharing some thoughts. Thanks!

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Great thoughts ;)
But I have a better alternative for [4] - Report it to @steemcleaners and get it flagged. Meanwhile you will get a small reward for reporting it! I released a Video about this yesterday, it's only two minutes long! Watch it ;)

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bypaul (58) · 7 years ago

First of all, great job! I follow welcoming and found a few real gems thanks to it.

As to the questions: I would keep the resteems low (between 10 and 15) and spread the upvotes wider onto more posts. The resteemed posts are getting more attention anyways and therefore more upvotes. Giving more people upvotes increases the chances of them staying on steemit :)

Bin heute auf englisch unterwegs, damit möglichst viele meinen Kommentar verstehen und antworten können :D

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dr-and-dr (26) · 7 years ago

I would also keep upvotes high, to continue to encourage users to stay on the platform, but a lower resteem makes the validity of such posts more credible :)

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

What is wider for you? Like 10-15 resteems + 10-15 upvotes additionally?

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bypaul (58) · 7 years ago

I would say rather 10 than 15 resteems, and up to 20 upvotes more. More would stretch the votes too much.

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ceepee (60) · 7 years ago

This is a great contribution to the steemit community. It always feels good and encouraging to newbies when they are welcome. I am just knowing about @welcoming. I will follow you and make sure to upvote resteem post. Thanks to @transistor and @juicy-shark for the support.
A thought to share with @welcoming, only first introduction post gets resteemed. What other support can be offered to the newbies after their introduction post to keep consistency on the platform? Any plans on that? At least some sort of support for a while until they gain a stand on the platform.

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spenceryan (68) · 7 years ago

Wow, thanks for putting so much effort into this!

My opinion:

Keep the resteemed to quality posts that way @welcoming stays top quality.
Definitely upvote other "honorable mentions" with smaller SP.

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goldendawne (69) · 7 years ago

I agree with @spencerryan
Quality introduction plz resteem, I look for them every day.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Ok :) Same question as to others: How many resteems per day do you think are ideal?

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spenceryan (68) · 7 years ago

10-15 resteems seems like a good solid zone to shoot for. Although most don't know about @welcoming when they start, for those that wait to make their intro post, keeping @welcoming limited is going to increase demand/desire and it's also going to push them into creating a higher quality #introduceyourself post benefiting both them and the community!

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paolajane (65) · 7 years ago

I definitely like the idea of upvoting other posts that dont make it to @welcoming for sure!

So glad to see people like you, @juicy-shark and @transisto making this community a better and more exciting place!

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

How many resteems do you think I should make with welcoming?

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paolajane (65) · 7 years ago

If you want me to be completely honest I feel like you have a great sense of judgment. Since I follow welcoming sometimes I feel overwhelmed with too many posts - and since I love to welcome everyone (just like everyone did to me, and return the favor) I feel like 10 quality posts resteemed a day is perfect. But like I said, you have great judgement. I also feel like upvoting those you don't resteem is also a nice touch and incentive to keep newbies encouraged to keep going!

You're doing amazing.

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art-universe (68) · 7 years ago

Seriously I think you should not have a limit and resteem as much as you want. I mean there are days and there are days. I think you know what I mean. Of course you should vote for posts even if you don't resteem them - but just if you can find something that you like or you have the feeling you want to help this person.

In my humble opinion you shouldn't be strict. Just do whatever feels good for you and how much time you want to spend for it. I mean the service is very helpful and altruistic anyways

What do you think?

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

It's not gonna be a strict rule - It's just gonna be a number I aim to stick around ;)

I mean the service is very helpful and altruistic anyways

Glad you feel that way :)

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frank1in (60) · 7 years ago

thank you for making so much effort to change a lot. My voice is not important to you, but still I think that you need to do 10 resteem but only the best ones that you find. Because many newbies who make very good content, but because of the system, they are not seen by others and it is exactly 10 per day, will be more than enough
for the intro it is necessary to vote, but only for those that are really real, and not feykovymi and the main thing that would be in the post it is clear that the person really tried and did everything himself, rather than copying from someone more successful.
I believe that by such actions you can really influence the current situation on Steam, because what you do will not remain unnoticed. Thank you

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Thx for the answer!

My voice is not important to you

I appreciate every well made answer ;)

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carlgnash (69) · 7 years ago

I would say lower the number of resteems and raise the number of upvotes. 10 resteems a day is a lot - I would think that is plenty, personally. But yeah totally agree that you could give out a lot more upvotes particularly if you scale back the VP on some. Keep up the good work :) Cheers - Carl

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jentz44 (41) · 7 years ago

I don't see why it would be a bad idea to Upvote non resteems. It will only help strengthen the community even if it isn't resteemed, I think.

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

Honestly, 15-20 resteems are already a little annoying - I wouldn't resteem more than that. Thus, upvoting others with less power seems sensible to me.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

What would seem like an ideal number of resteems to you? Would it help to not resteem more than three in at once (=in an hour)?

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

yes, but that's hard to manage for you. 15-20 are ok, less would be unfair to all the good introductions that would be lost then.

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

I could vote on the ones I don't resteem too - Then it would not be "unfair". Unfair is a weird word here, since nobody is entitled to an vote/resteem. But I know what you mean, dont worry ;)

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

you're right ofc^^
let's substitute "unfair to" with "a pity for"?

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Deal ;)

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tzap90 (56) · 7 years ago

sehr fleißig und vorbildhaft...freut mich dass wir Österreicherer mit guten beispiel vorrangehen

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Man bemüht sich :)

diezeldiddy (55) · 7 years ago

I think it has been going great! Met a lot of great people from it!

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swerdan (53) · 7 years ago

That is really awesome of @transisto.

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shivohum2015 (65) · 7 years ago

Its a great initiative and effort by you people to support minnow and you are all supportive people which is making community so beautiful where everyone has a place.

Thank you and have a great day.

crypto-wisdom (61) · 7 years ago

I am also a minnow and invested some money in steem and if u look at my post you can find i write better but unable to get follower so there are less reader to my article, so i am using upvote bots these day, but i am hopeful for better in coming days.

The initiative like @welcoming is really a great support for minnows and I look for more such support in coming days.

Thank you

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

I see you got some delegation - Visit other posts, add value with your comment like you tried to do here - People will look you up and if they like your posts, probably suppor you ;) Greets!

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Another thing you should do is think about your voting pattern! If you keep giving 100% to yourself and a friend (I guess the one user you always give 100% to is a friend or a second account of yours) and 2% to articles you describe as helpful (like you did with this one), people will not support you as well! Think about it ;)

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sthitaprajna (62) · 7 years ago

this is really an additional development in this community to support minnows and i thank you for this effort and time.

steem on and stay blissful..

theguruasia (67) · 7 years ago

@theaustrianguy,
That would be a great concept! Welcoming Minnows is a good thing and @transisto, you are truly awesome!

Cheers~

applo (56) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing your information ..i am with you and i support this... upvoted..

sophia21 (39) · 7 years ago

thanks for sharing,
I want to grow my blog, can you help me

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Yeah, I will give you the adive to add value instead of just asking for help -> Task achieved, helped you! Thank me later ;)

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revo (60) · 7 years ago

What a great initiative! I'm going to follow @welcoming now.

IMHO, I wouldn't want to see more than about 10 resteems per day. So maybe it is worth upvoting more than you resteem with a slightly lower VP.

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mikepm74 (66) · 7 years ago

You've got a really good conversation going here for sure! I think the closer you can stay to 10 resteems a day rather than going higher the better. I'm sure some days it is hard when you may have hit the ten but you keep seeing great posts, so you have to play it by ear.

I think one of the things I am finding with the Fresh Five is that it is really helping the newer people find other new people they can follow and work with. Manual curation of the introduceyourself tag is like a more organic version of steemfollower. So as long as your intended audience is newer Steemians, then maybe the resteem count doesn't matter. The longer someone has been here, the less patience they seem to have for resteems, so as people "age out" of being new steemians they may unfollow welcoming, but maybe that is like "Graduation" haha.

Congrats on the delegation from @transisto! That's a wonderful addition to the pool! I know you will use it wisely to welcome these new folks and spread the welcoming vibe! Big props to transisto for recognizing a noble endeavor and giving it a boost!

Voter percentages... I think you have to use your best judgement here. I have been trying to give my Fresh 5 a full upvote on their post, and then if they respond to my comment I give them another 10% vote on their comment, and if they come to my post and comment there I give them a 30% vote on that. It really adds up, and over the weekend my VP was down to 60%. That ain't good! So I am going to have to make some changes to how I maintain my voting habits. Since most of my Fresh Five seem to be people you either already hit, or you catch later, maybe our combined efforts add up to one really nice boost and I can pull back on the slider a little bit.

I do think giving a small upvote without a resteem is still worthwhile. I occasionally will upvote a post that is good but not quite Fresh Five material without a comment or anything. Just a little nudge to help them along. That's my personal preference to give some semi-anonymous nudges. hahaha

You do with your VP what you want, and how you feel is most efficient use of your time.

Thanks for what you do, you've been a great supporter for me, and help me dig deep and find the energy to go hunting for my five sometimes! Keep up the great work!

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