Against You
...Everything you say, CAN and WILL be used against YOU.
Or, in the UK
...will be taken down and used against you.
This is where policemen ended, and police officers began.
This is the root of why police officers are feared, and soon will be paria.
We are filled with TV shows of the brave police officers hunting down the bad guys and protecting the good guys. People believe this lie... right up until they actually encounter real police officers.
People think that police officers are there to "protect and serve" the people. However, this is far from the truth. And far from the letter of law the police officers are forced to adhere to.
Police officers aren't given tools to detect crime, so they can never stop crime. But, they are supposed to arrest criminals, so they go around approaching anyone that looks shady and find something to bust them for.
The first thing a police officer will do if they think you are a possible suspect for their arrest quota is get your ID. Then they will go back to their car
and ask unto the great database in the sky.
Oh verily, great computer god,
Telleth me, if i may busteth this heathen.
Amen
But, this database is not a database of criminals.
The only criminals in it are those who have been incarcerated before and are out on probation.
Everyone else in the database is:
- A name on the list they got from a snitch. (through intimidation of someone who was your friend)
- People who have skipped bond.
- A list of people who have outstanding parking tickets
- A list of people who have outstanding fines.
There are very few known and wanted criminals in that database.
Almost all crime goes unsolved, except that they catch someone, and in exchange for a lighter sentance (plea deal) they disclose the crimes that they committed. The list of crimes solved by police through investigation are minuscule. (CSI is a completely fabricated story. It is not based on anything real. In fact, 50% of MURDERS aren't even investigated.)
So, when a police officer approaches you, they are trying to get you to confess your crimes so that they can bust you.
...everything you SAY, can and WILL be used against YOU...
Many lawyers and cops have said, "never talk to a police officer". As in, don't do it at all. Especially if you have "nothing to hide".
Remember that the police have almost no evidence on you accept for what you have said. If OJ Simpson had simply called the police just after finding (or killing) the bodies the police would have had nothing on him. The blood on his hands came from checking the status of the bodies. The knife could have been anybody's. And so, you will find it in your case to. The only rope that the police officer can use to hang you, is that which you give them.
The other half of the Miranda Rights statement is even worse.
...everything you say, can and will be used AGAINST YOU...
There is nothing about FOR you. Even if you tell the police officer all kinds of good stuff. The real story, absolute alibies, etc. the police officer does not have any obligation to tell that in your defense in court.
In fact, you can't make them tell the good stuff. In a court, even if you get the police officer on the witness stand, and you ask them to tell the court the good stuff, they can just sit and smile, and say nothing.
Of the police officers who have talked about this, most have a handful of stories they can say of people they have said a good word for. A handful out of decades of policing.
One thing to put into your brain is this:
The prosecution can withhold evidence that proves your innocence.
They can have rock solid evidence that proves you didn't do it, and they are under no obligation to share that with you or tell the court.
And this is legal. (meaning you have no right of recourse)
So, this line, taken to its LEGAL conclusion pits all men against the police officers. They are not here for you, they are AGAINST YOU.
And this is one of the reasons why we see a militarization of the police departments. It has become an US vs them situation. The police departments have already realized this, but the public still lives in a world of TV show cops.
An old video of a Regent Law Professor and a police officer telling you, in no uncertain terms:
Don't talk to the Police
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Nice. I've already seen that video at the end and have posted about the police state we live in.
People live in a fantasy land where Law & Order, NCIS, and CSI are the reality. Wake up. They are professionals at getting you in trouble and enslaving you to the system. They don't care about the truth.
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you don't watch Live PD do you?
Here in America such a quota would be illegal.
A name on the list they got from a snitch. (through intimidation of someone who was your friend)
People who have skipped bond.
A list of people who have outstanding parking tickets
A list of people who have outstanding fines.
Here in America they are running your name for warrants and to see if you have a valid drivers license, no list of snitches and they don't care about parking tickets. Who besides a criminal skips bond?
That's generally true, occasionally a police officer may want to talk to you while investigating someone else in order to bust them. My father used to tell me the only thing to say to a police officer is "I'm innocent" and "while I will not physically stop you I do not consent to this search"
And they say only minorities have "the talk" with their kids.
Not in America, in America the prosecution must furnish any exculpatory evidence they possess to the defense and failure to do so is prosecutorial misconduct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_v._Maryland
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you don't watch Live PD do you?
Your comments are such that it indicates what you know is what was in place a generation ago.
Further, i do not mind discussing with people, at any length, what my views are, and listen to what their views are. However, starting with a statement that basically boils down to, "you're stupid" is not a conversation starter.
Prosecutor may knowingly use false testimony and suppress evidence...
--- United States Supreme Court in Imbler vs Pachtman, 424 U.S. 409 (1976)
A person who has skipped bond is not a criminal. They have been charged with a crime but have not been found guilty. They are guilty of not showing up to court. The bond default is a civil matter, not a criminal one.
If a person does not pay their parking ticket, a judge may issue a bench warrant. And so, you could be pulled over, have your license run, and then be arrested for a parking ticket you never knew you had. Or they can come knock on your door and arrest you, as has happened in many jurisdictions where they needed to look like they were cracking down on crime.
Of course quotas are illegal... its just that if your numbers aren't up to snuff, you get night duty and no promotions. Or, quotas by another name.
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And yet I watch Live PD almost every week, I am going to take your response as a "no".
I would never start with saying you were stupid.
Imbler vs Pachtman shields them from civil liability but they could still be fired or disbarred for prosecutorial misconduct in the form of withholding exculpatory evidence and more importantly if you can prove prosecutorial misconduct you can have your conviction overturned. Your quote is not even a complete sentence.
They are guilty of not showing up to court.
In what state is that? Not in mine. In most states they just won't renew your license or let you register a car until you pay. The only time I have ever had a bench warrant issued was when I failed to pay excise tax.
I was given ample notice when I received a bench warrant, what state is this in?
No, they don't go door to door arresting people for outstanding parking tickets.
De facto quotas are also illegal. Prosecutors may be shielded from civil actions but they are not protected from criminal charges.
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I do not watch TV.
I do watch real life police officers.
All my examples happened.
I am glad that you live in a state where it doesn't... yet.
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Live PD is interesting because it is live and unedited and you get to see what the police spend their time doing in real life. You would think it would be a horror show but most of the time it is actually pretty hilarious.
What state are they going door to door arresting everyone with unpaid parking tickets?
The trend is to do away with arresting people for unpaid fines and such, where are they newly instituting such laws? California just got rid of cash bail.
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So, do not get arrested in Kalifornia, it looks like you are saying.
Lets say that your wife is beating you and it gets so loud that your neighbors call the police. What will happen is that you will be arrested and held without bail until you get to go to trial.
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I wouldn't suggest getting arrested anywhere! I've seen a few episodes of Locked Up Abroad too. I am not sure how getting rid of cash bail is going to work out, I suppose if you are poor and can't afford bail then it's potentially good. The idea is that they will release people on their own recognizance who are not charged with violent crimes instead of levying bail and keeping them in jail until they pay. It could be bad for that wife beater committing a violent crime because they may be more likely to keep him in jail instead of granting him bail.
If you were watching Live PD 2 weeks ago you would have seen a case where there was a domestic violence call of people loudly yelling and the fellow even discharged a firearm but they didn't find any evidence he had hit his wife and they let him go to his girlfriends house and then they say, "do you need to get anything out of the house before you leave?"
"Just my big bag of weed sir"
"Anything else?"
"a smaller bag of weed"
It was fucking hilarious, he went inside and got his big bag of weed and his smaller bag of weed and went on down the road.
Pot and guns are legal there, it's all about what the laws are, cops just enforce them. Wherever you are try not to run afoul of them.
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Brady v. Maryland
Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that established that the prosecution must turn over all evidence that might exonerate the defendant (exculpatory evidence) to the defense. The prosecution failed to do so for Brady and he was convicted. Brady challenged his conviction, arguing it had been contrary to the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
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I am from Germany and actually police hardly appears into the daily existence of my personal life. I am neither a shy nor cowered person and during all encounters with police the experience actually turned out more nicely than I would have assumed. Sometimes I even didn't care to be nice myself as I was stopped one night I drove my back then friend to work. I was annoyed and tired and therefore distracted and took a wrong turn where I was not supposed to. A police car stopped me to see what was going on with me as my driving clearly showed up as insecure. After they checked me for not being under the influence of alcohol and I asked the policeman for advise where to chose the right direction to home, he helped me out in a real patient and polite way.
Another incident was when my back-lights went out during a car ride and I was not aware of that. The police stopped me and asked me where I was heading. I had another 20 kilometers to go - instead of making me leave the car and seek another way home (which they could have done legally as my car was not safe for use and it was becoming dark) they offered me an escort. So I drove back home and they saved me from behind.
All other cases it was me calling the police as there was a drunken neighbor turning on his music really loud during night times. I did not dare to walk downstairs and actually even talking to him while he was sober did not help. So I called the police who did a good job to remind the man of the rules. He needed this reminder quite often but eventually stopped.
I live in a two million citizens town and I am truly astounded that police dominance is nowhere to be seen. Exceptions conform the rule, same with night life and all districts where it is not so safe.
Your article provoked me to take on a counterpart as to show that people and nations perceive different experiences. I wanted to contribute with positive examples.
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And it used to be like that here in The US only a couple of decades ago.
Now, the police stop and frisk. As in, you are walking down the street, police screech to a halt, jump out of their car and have you suck wall while they feel you up.
Police today can confiscate things that are related to drug crimes. Money is associated with drug crimes, so the police can take all your money. And then you have to prove, if you want the money back, that you weren't using it for drugs. The police are now stealing more than all the reported burglaries.
I must state, that in small town USA things are much more like you experience. I think it has a lot to do with everyone knows who the police are. And everyone knows everyone.
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