Decoding The Gender Wage Gap

in life •  8 years ago 

One very polarizing topic that has been bought up multiple times during the campaigning for this election and almost every other across the United States is the gender wage gap. Im going to try to not pick a side on the topic but rather give my insight on how I think the topic is being misrepresented to the public which ends up hurting our society in the end. Im going to talk about the common claims that are made, the truth to those claims, what economics teaches us about the gap and what I really think causes the wage gap. I am not denying the gender wage gap does exist, just the extent of its existence and if it is even possible to address the situation.

To begin I want to talk about the statistic that is always being thrown around by everyone and their mother which is that, “Woman make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men” , which is not necessarily untrue, just a bit misleading. While it is true that if you take all the salaries in the US by gender and compared them, women would make around 78 cents on the dollar compared to men, but this is not the statistic that needs to be used in this situation. What really needs to be done is to take the salaries of women and men in the same field, same education background ,experience, ect and compare them, which ends up creating a more accurate image of incomes in the US which is that on average women make about 95 cents to the dollar that men do. A completely different statistic right? So why is it important to distinguish between the two statistics.

The first statistic puts massive blame on the hiring practices of various corporations in the US rather than addressing the real problem. It paints a picture of a sexist male boss paying women less discriminatorily, but that is simply not true. When we look at the adjusted average which comes out to around 5% it shows that the real problem is societal. The fact is that women tend to take jobs with more flexible hours and in fields that tend to make less money than the fields many men are going into. Which depending on the person, they could chalk that up to societal discrimination, but forcing women into a field just to lower the overall wage gap is just plain dumb. Public schools aren’t pushing women towards becoming a teacher rather than a computer scientist, so how or even why should the government intervene in a problem that only time can really solve?

So the reason I do say that a discriminatory wage gap does exist, is because it fits somewhere within the 5% of the adjusted value. But how small it is can’t be figured out because there are other reasons that have been brought forward for the reason that women make less in the same field. One of the biggest propositions is that women don’t negotiate salary as much as men do which leaves them making less. Overall men on average negotiate for a higher salary or better benefits much more often than women do. In my opinion I think this is definitely because overall I would say that women are less openly outspoken and confident in their ability and worth to a company. This may be primal or societal, but I think it just is how things are, for the same reason that on average men are more often sociopaths, which also leads to higher salary oddly enough. For whatever reason it is, people who are outspoken and take control of situations usually end up getting more managerial roles where the wage gap is almost nonexistent. So the woman who are outgoing and negotiate pay are making the same if not more than the men in their field.

So who should we blame or what should be done? In my opinion there isn’t much you really can do because it would be interfering directly into a woman’s life to force them into a higher paying field. Sure we can push science and math towards girls throughout their lives, but if it isn’t what they want to do then it isn’t going to happen. One problem I do see is I think many women go to college to get a fallback degree, but desire to become a housewife or the more flexible, less hours worker out of the two parents. This is definitely a societal overflow from the days where only the men provided, but especially in my area it is very common. It is still relatively taboo to be a stay at home dad, or to have your wife make more than you in much of the country.

Whatever the main problem might be, I don’t think there is much that the government should do. In my opinion, time will cause the ideology to change on this topic. As women continue to make strides to become more of an equal in relationships, the wage gap will almost disappear completely. There will always be some discrimination by the nature of humanity, but it will be so small, to the point it is irrelevant. If you have any questions or anything else you want to add, feel free and ill either respond or upvote you to acknowledge I read it!

-Calaber24p

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Transgender approved! I've surfed the market as both perceived to be a woman and a man, to be honest I feel that there is more offer for women in many ways, the offers I would get for being a man revolve around muscle work and physically dangerous jobs.

I have learned to ask for more money and negotiate in a masculine expression, and that's perhaps because I have needed more money. It is still expected of me to provide, even if she's independent. I've felt more pressure to take care of people financially when perceived to be a man.

You should write a post about this, would be a very interesting read in my opinion!

I plan to, this is a very important subject. Thanks for the vote!

Well if you can do that labour work, or actually get hired; many women can't do so as naturally as men can, or are sterotyped as not being able to hands the work or working in 'mans world', and that is what is available without a high school diploma or moreso without college education. If women have some condition marginalizing them from workforce options, it is much harder to find work. At least above min wage. Even then. Bag groceries ~10/hr, labour job ~15/hour

The only reason I can do physically demanding jobs is because I have artifitial testicles, meaning I take male sexual hormones. If I wasn't then I wouldn't be able to physically keep up with the rest of the men who are getting 15/hour and would be making less, because the outcome of my work is less even if I am making the same effort.

As a man is harder for me to find jobs taking care of people, just an example, or working in anything that deals with me facing the public. Not just that but housing is also difficult as well as other things, I've noticed that everything that doesn't have a price tag is usually more expensive. People think they can charge me more for being a man, because they also think men make more money.

Sometimes there are jobs that require men because they deal with security, taking down a woman would be more attractive than taking down a man if somebody wanted to steal something, etc.

It has always amused me that we complain girls aren't encouraged to study math and science. There are two obvious conclusions to be drawn from this complaint: 1) girls can't recognize what's in their own best interest, and 2) government schools haven't been promoting the egalitarian ideal their advocates promised they would.

Yeah, I know there are some parts of the US were women are genuinely actually told to pursue other trades like being a beautician or be a good home maker, but where I live this was never the case, in fact most of the time the women teachers took more of an interest in the girls to try and pursue high paying fields.

It's not as simple as stereotypes and cultural expectations still effect the choices of young people, who are still impressionable, shy, unwaward of life. And some females may find it intimidating or alienating to join a class/profession of mostly men.

I'm going to college for Heavy Equipment mechanic next year. I'm fucking 32 years-old, and my mom still occasionally barks at me "how many women do that anyway?!" like it should matter, it just disturbs her. Everywhere is co-ed anyway! Maybe with more time and generations with less 'sexist' belief have kids, these social obstacles can change

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Women are too smart to make the same as men

I would argue that women are smarter than men and realize that to make that additional 5%, they have to give up 25% of the fun in life. If you look at a lot of the high paying jobs, they come with high stress, long hours and high risk. I think that many women look at those positions and think "It's not worth it". (There are exceptions of course)


Picture that you are at a gathering with 5 males and 5 females. On the table is a bowl of salsa that has been spiked with hot pepper extract.

The first male will walk up to the bowl, dip a chip in and take a bite. His eyes will water, his nose will run, he'll grab anything you offer to put out the fire burning in his throat. The other four males will each think ... "It can't be that hot. This guy must not be able to handle his spice."

The second male will approach the bowl and ... amazingly, the same thing will happen. The remaining three males will think ... "It can't be that hot. This guy must not be able to handle spice." This will repeat until all the males are complaining that everything the eat tastes hot and their tongues feel burned.

The five women will continue enjoy themselves, thinking ... "Hrmmm, that salsa must be very hot, I think I'll skip it. It's not worth it."

No offense to @papa-pepper.

Interesting theory. They do say that women take jobs with more flexible hours which usually translates into lower stress. Maybe youre onto something :P

More awareness of the impact emotions have over time can make this decision instinctive in women. In my opinions men aren't given as many tools to explore emotions through life, calculating the long term cost of overworking could be more difficult.

Best to start your own business so you can control your income.
Up voted n already followed.

This was a lot more measured than I expected. I think it's a pretty good discussion of the topic, but it would be a lot more reliable/convincing if you used citations for all of your statistical statements (including ones like, "on average men are more often sociopaths").

I should actually change that part it was mostly an off the cuff remark. I can find citations for all of the other things pretty simply because the wage gap is such a researched topic, but looking further into it, men are just more likely to be labeled as sociopaths or psychopaths because it manifests differently in women. The stereo typical no conscious no remorse psychopathic behavior that most people associate with someone being a psychopath is mostly a trait that is dominant in men rather than women. However it can be in woman as well.

I too would like to see your sources. I guessed you took Wikipedia. But if you don't put the numbers in perspective your conclusion will be false. So at equal position and equal age there is a gap that widen with age. This question is not as simple as you reduce it.

All work is needed by humanity all jobs deserve equal pay, it is not their fault that their chosen career pays less


Fuck your gender baiting bullshit. The wage gap has been debunked more times then can be counted.
Go push your feminist supremacy movement elsewhere retard.

Did you even read the article ?

Yes I did and women make more I agree.

I do not understand how me reading It makes my statements any more false or true.

How many times do we need to debunk the wage gap before the gender baiting stops?

But gender baiting pays well now days as your post points out. -smh-

I do not understand how me reading It makes my statements any more false or true

Go push your feminist supremacy movement elsewhere retard.

If you had actually read before you commented you would have seen that not only did I not completely dismiss the wage gap, but I tried to stay as impartial as possible, saying a wage gap does exist but it is very small. This article isnt meant to be gender bait and if you see it that way then im sorry, but the majority of the articles I write are on economics and the gender wage gap is a big topic in economics.

gender wag gap is only a big topic in economics because of the gender baiting bullshit going on.
What is the point if not gender baiting? we know the wage gap is a lie. you are choosing to play the gender game with economics to try to get paid because gender baiting pays out so much now days.

If you not trying to gender bait then do you really feel that debunking the gender pay gap again like it has been one so many times has nothing to do with gender? obviously it does.

Im not saying your post was false or anything like that, I am only stating that your post is adding to the division to the genders not tying to unite them.

Whatever though, you don't think your post is gender baiting and I do. not a big deal we can disagree and it isn't a big deal.

You come over as aggressive, which weakens your arguments. People sound weak when they show uncontrolled emotion like that. You want to prove your point? Then what are you doing sounding like an asshole? I don't even want to focus on your arguments cause of all the negativity.

LOL
k, good luck with all that.
xD

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well done essay. I like how you brought out the differences in the use of the statistics. shared!