SHAME ON GREYHOUND 🚍 🚌

in life β€’Β  6 years agoΒ  (edited)

Y U say shame?

Not you, precious.

Never you.

In the US, Greyhound is a long distance bus carrier. 🚌 🚌

Shame on THEM.

The employees struck!!

And delays are mounting across the board.

Over the intercom the official version of events is that they lack equipment, but word on the street is that the drivers have struck.

All busses are delayed by 1-3 hours, and it's more or less pandemonium whenever one arrives and the employees start yelling about where to line up.

A gentleman to my left tells a tale of being there since 5pm yesterday, and that he hopes to make it home today.

"..it don't work," he tells them, each and every time someone walks towards the vending machine.

"It'll give you change, won't give you no food."

Heart of a lion to do that every time.

Everyone took him on his word and didn't test whether he was telling the truth. So if you ever want to screw Greyhound out of vending machine profits, it's viable. 🍭

Going on strike.

Going on strike is lame.

Something that's childish and dumb if you did it as an individual doesn't become righteous and grand because you do it en masse.

I'm a fan of doing what I say I'll do, and if I have a commitment to be somewhere and people depend on me, it doesn't cross my mind to not show up as a ploy to try to get paid more.

Economics lesson:

Businesses aren't really rolling around in spare cash that they can dole out at random based on whether they're greedy or what mood you put them in.

Typically (at least in any free and open market) they operate on razor thin profit margins.

Because if it wasn't razor thin, it would be easy for someone else to swoop in and do the same thing for a cheaper price.

There might be some room for them to budge.

So negotiate.

(You can ban together and do it collectively and have spokespeople and all that if you want.)

But negotiating by way of not showing up is silly.

What does that show? Other than that they made a bad hiring decision.

I wonder why the people who strike don't immediately get fired, to the point where it's common knowledge that it ends poorly and you shouldn't do it.

Sure, it hurts the company in the moment, to lose so many employees. But you win the long-game and aren't exploitable in that way anymore.

I tend to think there must be some government rule that makes it illegal to fire people who strike.

(Which is a weird rule because it involves being inside a person's mind regarding what their motivation is. But that's beside the point.)

Or, I'm sure Greyhound is forced to allow workers to unionize.

Or something.

It just seems so easy to guard against strikes, if they weren't saddled by some coercively imposed rule or another.

Power to the people!!!

No. The people have been awake for 40 hours, wishing they could be at home.

We've been exploited by the working class, made to believe that we'd be riding on a bus, but patiently we wait, while they shirk their commitment in pursuit of profit.

We wait but we never forget.

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Everyone took him on his word and didn't test whether he was telling the truth. So if you ever want to screw Greyhound out of vending machine profits, it's viable. 🍭

Haha. Isn't payback sweet?

I think the idea of unions is to protect against big companies owners. You know, the one no employee can stand up to. So they band together to stand a fighting chance. Reeks of communism, I know

I sympathize with Greyhound and stranded commuters but telling the drivers not to strike is limiting their choices.

Of course, the drivers could leave if they felt cheated or stuff but getting another job is hard.

Plus, some companies always want to pay as low as they can. (and there's probably someone who can take the low pay). Without the protection of laws and option of strikes, workers are vulnerable.

Maybe I'm not being true to the capitalism I claim to believe in. Well, I believe the alternative is worse.

I don't tell them not to do it. It's within their right to do it. But I think it's childish and harmful.. and should be within an employer's right to say okay, fired.

I basically think it wouldn't be an effective tactic and wouldn't really happen at all without coercive rules that make it maybe effective.

It's like the violence props up the childish behavior (and vice versa).

I don't have a problem with unions, but I have a problem with forcing a company to allow unions.

They should be free to not have them and to fire people who form them or whatever, and employees and potential employees are free to not work there and look for somewhere who allows unions. Free association.

I suspect that when companies aren't forced to accept unions, there would be less of them. But I'm not anti union per se. For large companies, a union representing the workers as a whole makes sense.

But, the behavior of "let's just not show up!!" does not make sense imo and isn't a good way for the union to negotiate

Interesting

I'm curious, besides strikes, what options do unions have?

I believe unions aren't the best solution but there isn't much option.

Plus, businesses only understand one language: money. If they lose enough money, they'll take you seriously. How do you make a company lose money legally?

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Well, it could be something like what an agent does for an athlete.

The people speaking for the union are aware of all the Xs and Os, so they're in better position to negotiate with the company on behalf of the average worker.

Businesses are basing it on money, ya. And at the end of the day, paying people their fair value (based on what they're providing to the company) is in their best interest.

If they under pay, they're making it more likely that their good employees find a better deal elsewhere.

So finding that "correct value" isn't simple, and I've never run a business, but I suspect business owners are really happy to listen to negotiation. It's like you're helping them solve the puzzle and arrive at the proper price point.

It helps both sides, ultimately.

And one form of leverage that a union might have is they could have connections with competitors who are willing to take people and offer X price.

(It might not be as much leverage as going on strike, but they probably "shouldn't" have that form of leverage, if it wasn't protected by government coercion.)

And as long as we grunt and moan and threaten to strike as the form of negotiation, I tend to think there must be less fluid actual negotiation in the manner I describe above.. so worse for workers long term.. worse for the process of arriving at that proper value

I'm not sure how the inner workings of unions go, but I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes union leaders actually have a motivation for people to be underpaid, so that now they have fodder to begin a strike

(rather than they just want workers to be properly paid in the first place)

Good questions!! Thanks for them.

So finding that "correct value" isn't simple, and I've never run a business, but I suspect business owners are really happy to listen to negotiation. It's like you're helping them solve the puzzle and arrive at the proper price point.

You know what occurred to me as I read this? Violence!

Negotiation is a peaceful approach. It makes room for sensibility on both sides. Forces people ro put their ingenuity to use.

Strike suddenly sounds like violence to me. Or maybe bullying is the word. The unions are the ones bullying the business owners. The business owners cannot do anything about it (thanks to laws).

Because striking workers can't be fired (or denied pay), unions can strike at will, even at the slightest whiff of disagreement. They have almost nothing to lose while the company and customers have everything to lose. I don't know why but violence rings in my head.

Perhaps it reminds me of my school mates who would rather employ force to solve issues rather than dialogue.

I'm not sure how the inner workings of unions go, but I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes union leaders actually have a motivation for people to be underpaid, so that now they have fodder to begin a strike

In a way, this could be true. I mean, if workers didn't have the option of strike or no reason to, the union leaders would probably have to get other jobs

Exactly!! You're right on imo

Going on strike is propped up and made a thing because of the use of violence

(ie employers aren't allowed to fire employees who strike, or are forced to allow unions in the first place, or whatever)

So going on strike just wouldn't be effective at all if it wasn't for coercive policies that surround it..

when there's free association across the board it just doesn't make practical sense to strike

(to suddenly breach your commitment in a way that's supposed to cause financial harm to someone)

I don't blame people for using the system as it currently exists..

As long as the laws exist like this, you understand why people will use it and do what's in their best interest

but ideally the laws would change, and then everything makes more sense and long term it's better for everyone especially the workers when there's more negotiation and less "I'm going on strike"

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