Following THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, there are questions asked that can eventually lead to a social media debate that quickly scales up to heated scripture battles and then spiritual warfare!
The question presented by the apologists for discussion was:
Is Speaking In Tongues Needed For Salvation?
As you can imagine, I entered the middle high ground of the debate to defend the faith of Jesus with THE TRUTH OF GOD to the absolute, and the battle scaled instantly to WAR with the world-renowned religious organization ensigned CHURCH OF CHRIST.
Excerpts from the ensuing battle in the Holy Scriptures follows.
This is the first statement of the conclusion in the absolute that brought me into the battle...
Speaking in tongues is essential to salvation !!!
Absolutely altogether essential to salvation! The term "saved" is NOT clearly defined and distinguished from what "salvation" really is... Apologists for the Christian Faith need to do a better job! That's just one of the takeaways from the general topics being debated and discussed.
This is false, read Acts 19, believer received the Holy Ghost when Apostle Paul laud hands on them, Acts 8, through the laying on of the apostle hands were the Holy Ghost is given; Simon offered money to get the gift of whom he touch will receive the Holy Ghost, there are no apostles today so how is the Holy Ghost received after baptism.....please give bible examples
What's your point? ...The Holy Ghost was given - that in itself PROVES SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION! and they heard the sound of the tongues in ACTS 8 and 19...
Paul asked a question that got right to the point of what EXACTLY was essential for SALVATION - The Holy Ghost...
Those scriptures perfectly confirms to the absolute leaving no question, no doubt, no controversy ~ SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION!
I answer ALL TRICK QUESTIONS OF DECEIVERS WITH KILL SHOTS AND DEATH BLOWS!
This is a JUDGMENT WORK taking place before your blinded eyes!
God the Father himself bears witness to the salvation he gives with "divers kinds of tongues" as written in 1 CORINTHIANS 12.
Bear in mind, that is the spiritual gift of God, from God for the substantial evidence to confirm the faith of them that call upon the name of the Lord! ...It's given with cloven tongues of fire to mark the forehead with the seal of the living God that reads GRACE SAVED CHILD...
That gives us SPIRITUAL IDENTITY in the Kingdom of God as HIS CHILDREN and when HE falls on us in the moment as a quickening spirit WE CRY ABBA FATHER and speak in divers kinds of tongues as the Spirit of God gives the utterance with 9 fruit of the Holy Ghost - LOVE, PEACE, JOY, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS, TEMPERANCE ~ GALATIANS 5... So then when HE falls on us to impart the divine nature according to promise it is evidenced by the sound of a rushing mighty wind ~ ACTS 2...
Now you can see the most excellent mystery in the 9 fruit and 1 gift that makes a two-digit number 91 so the key of David divides deciphers and interprets the meaning of the anointed living letters of the tree of life to be SPIRIT => 19+16+9+18+9+20 = 91 = SPIRIT
JOHN 3 ~ that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Remember our Father is the Husbandman so that divine experience is for the imparting of the divine nature - makes us sit in the heavenly places through the Spirit - and the planting of the Lord as it's written in ISAIAH 61 ~ NOW READ ~ The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn. To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, THAT THEY MIGHT BE CALLED TREES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE PLANTING OF THE LORD, THAT HE MIGHT BE GLORIFIED.
ACTS 2 ~ And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
JOHN 3 ~ He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
THE TESTIMONY is the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to which WE ALL MUST ANSWER after the hearing with our ears.
REPENTANCE is according to ROMANS 10 ~ the answer of a good conscience towards God believing from the heart unto righteousness that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD!
ACTS 2 ~ For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call...
The promise is the covenant made with God the Father by WATER BAPTISM, and it is for ETERNAL LIFE according to RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH TOWARD LORD JESUS CHRIST which is by the Spirit ~ ROMANS 8 ~ NOW READ ~ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness... ROMANS 10 ~ AGAIN READ ~ For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved...
my point is there is no biblical example of any disciple speaking in tongues after being baptized, without the laying on of the apostles hand. Your argument is not with me, it's with God, u are an apostle, you speak to God
None needed to satisfy your ignorance because he set a standard with the 120 with the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost to fulfill JOEL as PREACHED BY PETER IN ACTS 2 ~ SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION!
First, get an understanding ~ the GOSPEL tells you that you are SAVED BY GRACE then COMMANDS YOU TO MAKE COVENANT WITH GOD THE FATHER FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND THE COMMON SALVATION TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD! ~ That ACT of YOUR FAITH fulfills HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS... WATER and SPIRIT BAPTISM - MUST BE BORN AGAIN - NEW BIRTH EXPERIENCE which gives you the CLOVEN TONGUES - DIVERS TONGUES GIFT OF GOD AS THE SPIRIT OF GOD GIVES UTTERANCE SPEAKING OF ALL THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD PRAISES CONFESSION WITH THE MOUTH UNTO SALVATION ~ NOW READ ROMANS 10!
The early church was on one accord in one place when they received the Holy Ghost evidence being as written for our learning in ACTS 2.
THIS IS THE COMMON STANDARD FOR ALL THAT FOLLOW AFTER WHO ARE OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH TOWARDS LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
They were all baptized... They were all FILLED! ...WATER and SPIRIT baptism is ONE BAPTISM after the BLOOD is applied from the CROSS when you hear the GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST preached, TEACHING all nations! ~ THIS IS THE STANDARD FOR THE COMMON SALVATION ~ SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION!
Wow, that’s a lot of cutting & pasting of words my friend, again, through the laying on of the apostle hands the Holy Ghost was given (Acts 8 & 19), in Acts 2, apostles received the Holy Ghost directly from heaven as a promise, John (14 & 15); Acts 10, also a promise, Joel 2, that I will pull out my spirit on all flesh, ushering in salvation for Gentiles....you claim to be an apostle, give scripure where a disciple was baptized, came out of the water speaking tongues; remember your doctrine, tongues are essential for salvation, as of I ask was the Ethiopian Eunice saved? Was the jail saved?
Eunice? I think you meant to say "eunuch" - YES as far as the water baptism...
"the was {jail} saved?"???? > I think you meant to say "jailer"
ACTS 16 ~ And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely. Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks. And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises unto God. And the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake so that the foundations of the prison were shaken. And immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm! For we are all here. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out, and said, SIRS, WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, AND THY HOUSE.
And THEY SPAKE unto him THE WORD OF THE LORD, and TO ALL that were in HIS HOUSE. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, AND WAS BAPTIZED, he and all his, STRAIGHTWAY. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and REJOICED, BELIEVING IN GOD WITH ALL HIS HOUSE. And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go. And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go. Now therefore depart, and go in peace.
WAS THE JAILER SAVED? ...YES!!!
He received THE WORD OF THE LORD... and was WATER BAPTIZED!!!
You should know that tongues aren't necessary for salvation Saul was baptized in Jesus Christ who name was changed to Paul doesn't show him speaking in tongues after receiving the Holy Spirit but he said he could ...the eunuch did not speak in tongues after he was baptized in Jesus Christ when on his way rejoicing filled with the Holy Spirit ...
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SAVED by Grace means we had nothing to do with what God did for us on the CROSS... Offered one body of flesh with INNOCENT BLOOD and PURE WATER made by the HOLY GHOST ...INNOCENT BLOOD for the atonement of ALL SIN ~ PURE WATER for purifying unto BURIAL WITH HIM INTO HIS DEATH believing from the heart unto this RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD! ...AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST!!!
For whosoever shall call upon the NAME of the Lord shall be saved, which infers explicitly and implicitly to SALVATION according to the NEW BIRTH we must be BORN OF AND EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY ~ NOW READ JOHN 3 in conjunction with ACTS 2...[Everyone can read there was a sound from HEAVEN as of a rushing mighty WIND] The wind bloweth where it listeth [filled ALL the HOUSE and SAT UPON EACH OF THE 120], and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth [the standard experience for THE CHURCH OF GOD IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST forevermore always, happened when PENTECOST fully came] ~ SO IS EVERYONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT!!!
No Apologies ~ No Mercy ~ No RESURRECTION from this KILL SHOT DEATH BLOW to the HERESY and the REJECT REPROBATE BASTARD PREACHERS OF BABYLON THAT IS FALLEN... !!!SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION!!!
Baptism is important too, but it is important how a person is being baptized, without that how is a person suppose to be saved? Because without that how is a person supposed to receive the gift of the holy ghost? I was baptized the wrong way and I had to get baptized again.
That is exactly how you should be mindful of YOUR ETERNAL LIFE SALVATION... How a minister performs this all-important spiritual sacrament of the faith does matter! ...There is an ordinance for the water baptism used in conjunction with the complete name LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The 3 word 4 syllable name denotes GRACE and the authority of the name INVOKES REMISSION OF ALL SIN WITH THE CHARGE BE HOLY.
The person must, of their own freewill request to be baptized to show REPENTANCE ...It is the answer of a good conscience towards the Lord thy God that is calling living souls to repentance by the preaching of the GOSPEL.
So then the believer answers with a broken and contrite heart to OBEY THE COMMANDMENT OF THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BY BELIEVING WITH ALL THEIR HEART THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD.
Bear in mind, by water baptism we put off the old man with the body of sins, the works of the flesh, and death that is once appointed unto us to die, so the SECOND DEATH will have NO POWER!
THEN receive the gift of the Holy Ghost to finish the NEW BIRTH! ...and continue steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine ~ THE LAW OF HOLY FAITH ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS BY LORD JESUS CHRIST - The Apostle and High Priest of our profession... The Bishop and Shepherd of our soul... Our Advocate and Mediator with the Father... The anchor of our soul who can save to the uttermost!
Until the next report from the frontline in this spiritual warfare ~ Godspeed to paradise with unfeigned love, magnified and multiplied in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the Word of God!
All scriptures referenced is according to the Authorized Official Lord Jesus Christ Version of The Holy Bible ~ Revised Edition of the 1769 English Language Translation of the Old and New Testament ~ ISBN 9781541391277
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit, well the word of nothing says it helps us to speak in angelic languages but we have love.
APOSTLE DARLENYS
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Greetings apostle darlenys.
Thanks for replying to my post report, but it is not clear what exactly you are saying.
Anything you can contribute to this topic for discussion would be much appreciated.
Peace!
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No, speaking in tongues isn't necessary for salvation. It's just one of a number of spiritual gifts that God gives to people. And if it was necessary for salvation there wouldn't be anybody in a Charismatic church who's saved because they all babble and fake it.
(1 Corinthians 12:8-11 NIV) To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, {9} to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, {10} to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. {11} All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
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Thanks for your reply @barncat.
I have heard that HERESY before explained verbatim.
It NEVER does address the new birth standard clearly set forth by Jesus in JOHN 3.
That HERESY states that WATER BAPTISM is NOT NEEDED for salvation. It also states you ONLY need to PRAY the SINNERS PRAYER and you are saved with NO BIBLE precept or example to support such a lie.
When you question the origin of the SINNERS PRAYER, because it is NOT CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE for salvation they take offense to the question about their religious brand of Christianity.
It is NOT the faith ONCE delivered to the saints. It is a false way for a religious brand of Christianity to give unsuspecting people a FAKE SALVATION.
The HERESY concludes that NEITHER WATER OR SPIRIT BAPTISM IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION...
No one of a sound rational mind will dispute that SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION when the answer to the question is addressed from JOHN 3 which establishes the STANDARD for the COMMON SALVATION.
1 CORINTHIANS does not even have a voice that can contribute to an ANSWER IN THE ABSOLUTE because of the PLACE AND TIME when it is set forth in the new testament doctrine LONG AFTER the 9th chapter of ACTS when PAUL was converted.
Bear in mind, JOHN 3 establishes the STANDARD and ACTS 2 establishes the EXPERIENCE that TESTIFIES in TRUTH to what ALL BELIEVERS can earnestly expect to realize for their own personal NEW BIRTH SALVATION EXPERIENCE.
That is the ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ~ Is Speaking In Tongues Needed For Salvation?
Thanks once again for taking the time to engage!
Steem On to spiritual enlightenment.
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