Dear everybody that has an interest in welcoming and guiding new users on the steem-platforms and run a "spam bot" that repeats itself every day with information from you or your community!
Info-bots has been a debate on STEEM since @wang from the early days, but what if we allowed ALL communities and services to inform "the hell" out of new users on their first post?
The reason I am thinking about this is that we have a lot of guilds with good information and good steem cleaners and cheater detectors on STEEM, and if we could concentrate all that information on the new user's first post, all voices about important do/do not etc on the STEEM blockchain.
If it can be concentrated on the 1st and only the 1st post of new users I think that can be valuable, push the information on new users instead of them finding out everything the hard way.
Well informed new users can lead to a much better STEEM experience for everyone in the future!
Earning funds on bots that comment on a user's very first post may not be very profitable for the bot-user, let us imagine @curie, @cheetah, @steemcleaners, @toiletscrubbers, @berniesanders, @buildawhale, @trails, etc.... One Info-post PUSHED on the NEW USERS like direct marketing, like that SMS you get on your phone when you drive into another jurisdiction or another country.
Preventing bad starts for new users, helping them in the right way!
User Retention is good for everyone, the people who follow you, you would like them to be online when you post, yes? or more people joining, getting information from many communities with different agendas in order to stop plagiarism, hate-speech, comment begging, and many other things that people get irritated about around here.
Do not upvote users first post just because it is its first post, allow that to be space for as much information from the community as possible
Of course it is nice to upvote new users, but wait with that until post #2, because on post #2 they have already been adviced, warned and suggested all kinds of great things from the community, and are more equipped to make original content from the beginning, networking with other steemians and being invited where invitations are due.
New users are like STEEM-babies, we have a responsibility to grow them into adults the best way we can!
So I want to ask if you are on board with this idea, if this can make a difference allowing YOU and YOU and YOU and THEM and HIM and HER to give new users pieces of advice, pushing specialized content towards them in order to make a better future for everyone on STEEM.
What do you think?
Sincerely,
@fyrstikken
co-owner of STEEM.
Maybe it's time to encourage new members to create an Entrance post first, before an introductory post, and that Entrance post can get slammed with spam and various forms of automated information. They should also be warned beforehand these various forms of automated information should be considered advertisements and the opinions expressed therein are not representing Steemit.com. Full disclosure goes a long ways and being greeted with honesty and integrity is always welcoming behavior.
So many take pride in their introductions and want to speak to people, not robots. Other members also want a chance to be able to reach new members as soon as possible with services a new member might be interested in.
The entrance post can be something simple, a bit of proof of brain, but not hours worth of perfecting an image and attempting to make a good first impression. People can save that for their actual introductions where they'll have an opportunity to mingle with people and not robots.
This could all be mentioned as people sign up, so they know what's going on and what to expect, and then everyone is happy and gets their way.
Problem solved.
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How would you be able to communicate that they should make an entrance post first? Let us just go with the simple logic that your first post is your n00b post no matter what tags you use.
Hopefully that means less jobs for cheetah, steemcleaners, toiletscrubbers, walden, etc etc etc with the next million n00bs about to join STEEM.
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The same way many of us were greeted with the rules of Steemit (Don't lose your password, don't lose your password, and don't lose your password). Are people still greeted like that when they sign up? The sign up page could also include some of this information people wish to spam on first posts, but there's already information out there many are not reading (white paper, faq, etc).
Either way, it's a great idea to bombard these next million with important information. My only concern is if the floodgates are opened, one bot is warning people about scams, and the next one is offering a scam resteem service with included false promises of offering bogus help for only one SBD. One group is offering their curation strategies, and the next is offering their get rich quick sounding bidbot sales pitch. Hundreds of messages from witnesses all competing for votes.
With so much to choose from, my main concern is the messages from certain groups attempting to clean up the place might be overlooked. I can already see a mess, and from there I see bot owners self voting with more and more weight to have their billboard sit higher than the others. Then the entire thing becomes a joke without a punchline. Yes, that's a worst case scenario, but still important to point out so people can prepare instead of watching it spiral out of control.
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I like the idea of an Entrance post. A post just for users to learn the finer details and customs of posting onto the Steem block chain.
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Most users coming in have already bought all the necessary information from Jerry.
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haha don´t know if i should laugh or cry
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Lol
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lol
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Sounds like a good idea but it also sounds like the user could be overwhelmed by information and get the feeling that blogging here is very complex. I think we should have 1 bot, that sends 1 message, where the biggest communities / "guilds" are listed, with a website and discord and purpose. That would possibly be more helpful than 25 responses with costume made information of varying quality.
This one message would also be tightly reviewed to not allow any information of scamy sort or misleading intents.
Never the less, a good idea that should be looked through. The message, if only one is send, could also start with introducing the purpose of steem!
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That is the idea, overwhelm them with information in the first post they write on STEEM, It is very complex blogging on STEEM. But it is better that all communities and services and witnesses get a chance to give their information to new users instead of 1 or 2 bots.
If there is a reason and a time to spam, it is on new users first post no matter what they write about. The hope is that education will make steemians better from the getgo and we need to spend less flags and support less policing efforts.
The social Network exists outside of the blockchain, and why invite them to 1 community instead of 40 communities so they can start interacting with people from day one with a steem etiquette that each community has.
SteemSpeak is a community with free speech and explicit content and adult music
PAL is a community so family friendly that nobody swears in there and mixed music
steemit.chat is a default community for steemit.com users where the earliest users rule and no music
etc etc..
Well, of course. An alive community looks after everything important, making sure disinformation and spam scam are weeded out.
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Yeah interaction with communities from day one sounds excellent and yes we have to take initiative to get higher user retention indeed. I think it is very low atm and I would say that this is an good idea that will help new users to orientate and stay with SteemIT, lets see what can be done!
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A really new and wonderful idea
Many do not know that plagiarism is punishable here
We have to stand with new people here
Thank you for your great effort
Thank you for the valuable information
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Thank you for your reflections. I hope to see your bot informing new users up and running one day.
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Hi @fyrstikken, I agree with the valuable points that you have discussed in this post. This makes completes sense:
However, I would like to add my input on it. When someone joins Steemit and want to post it here is primarily because s/he wants get paid...something that is missing at all other social media including the giant social network. When I joined Steemit after watching a video by @jerrybanfield, this was exactly something I had dreamed of. Though I did not post blog at Steemit right away rather I kept exploring it more even after watching that nice tutorial by Jerry. However, majority of people joining Steemit are ones who never did blogging their entire life. Facebook has more users because it's flexible regarding user's choice of what s/he wants to post.
We can never get a second chance to make our first impression right. Agreed. This is one side of the picture. What if you make an impression in the mind of the new users that Steemit community is very welcoming and supportive contrary to Facebook whose owners made billions and never shared a single cent with the users who actually helped them make this money? I think this is the strong competitive edge of Steemit and it can help this community win more users without any extra effort. Though we hit 500th website in the US as per Alexa website, yet we're still in infancy. We need more users.
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Getting second chances, sure, people get second chances after some time, except most people come to steem, post their first post and get no response without knowing why... however, the bots will post a comment, one after another, allowing new user to read and check out things during that day and learn about steem, the different steem front ends, the outside steem chat communities, tips on what not to do on steem, etc.
Yes, and we also need to retain those we already have.
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I agree with your point that we need to retain our existing users. May be, we can be more flexible by not looking things into black and white. What I mean is, with little flexibility we can retain the existing users and at the same time can keep getting more. Quantity turns into quality and vice versa at a specific point.
On bots' activities too, you are right. I just hate such comments. Bots can't be removed from Steemit but they can be checked.
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I need help about steemit.
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I think it's a good idea, most people come here without knowing that plagiarism is a crime on the platform, I think the best gift to give any new user here will be information and if this is basically done for them there are huge chances that they will not go the wrong way, I'm in support of filling their first post with information.
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Very good idea!
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I think it's a great idea @fyrstikken .New users come in with unrealistic expectations and when they are not met they pack up and leave. What if we recommended them to attend the various legit steemschools so they know what steemit is all about ,they see and learn how to create original posts,submit mock posts for assessment,while at the same time networking with other users and to graduate from the steem school they create an introductory post.
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I think Steem school would chase most of the new users away. If that was suggested to me in the beginning I wouldn't be here. Why go to a school when you can learn by just being on here.
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Hello @cryptoandcoffee. Joining one of the schools fast tracks the learning process instead of having to figure it out for yourself which could take time, abuse of the platform if you don't know what you are doing plus you make friends who would support your steemblog posts with upvotes.Nice username by the way)
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I suppose that is another way of thinking. Unfortunately all the others at steem school would be a similar size to you in voting power and I have learnt quite a bit just by interacting with other users on here.
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Interesting your publication, I like it. Allow me to follow you. I invited you to my modest blog. God bless you.
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I always check if they have multiple posts, but a forest is spam in the new user section now days. I write many tips tips and a small up vote. but that with and gathering info 100 agrees. example but dust and other information that should be required and shown too many spammers want to get used to it. or make them make good content.
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Yes, it's an great initiate @fyrstikken, genuinely speaking whenever i see any newbie on my post who is commenting in an generic way, i always give advice to them because i also got advice in my initial days when i was writing generic comments, so it's my responsibility to guide newbies if i find they are moving towards wrong track.
And great to know about the idea of the #2 post after receiving guidelines by the new users on their #1 post. And it's really important aspect to guide new users because knowingly or unknowingly new users try to find easy ways and possibly those easy ways can become spam work, so your bot idea can guide new users in numbers.
Steem Babies can grow and can push Steem Economy towards great phase but they need initial nourishing for sure so that they can stood strong in this dynamic economy and inturn they can continue the same cycle.
Thanks for sharing this post with us and wishing you an great day. Stay blessed. 🙂
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