Learn Investing From Jack Bogle

in money •  7 years ago 

Just a quick update. Im back after a about a half a week of rest after my surgery, which went very well. I just have another incision on my chest and some discomfort while laying down, but other than that everything is fine. Im glad to be back and I should be writing articles at a normal pace from now on. Thanks to everyone who sent well wishes and was concerned from my last article on the subject. Anyway, onward!

If you dont know who Jack Bogle is, he is on the same level with Warren Buffet Ideologically and has changed the way most people invest their money. The idea of people passively investing and slowly becoming rich is in many ways a side effect of the products Jack Bogle brought to the market. When Jack Bogle was starting out in the financial world, he realized that many mutual funds were charging a hefty expense ratio for their customers and basically taking a ton of their money away in fees.

Fee gouging or selling “loaded funds: is still a practice that goes on today, but on a much lesser scale compared to the past. Because low fee options werent available to even recommend, even if you were someone looking to suggest a low cost solution, it simply wasnt available. Jack Bogle noticed this and he also noticed that many mutual funds werent even selling many stocks, but just holding them for long periods of time. He figured that he could do the same thing at a much lower rate and still make it very profitable.

This is how Vanguard and Jack Bogle pioneered the modern day index fund. Index funds track everything from sectors of the market, to the whole market or even international markets, by holding core positions that make up the percentage of the market. They are then able to sell shares of these indexes and rebalance when necessary. However, you see very little turnover with index funds so the costs of running them ends up being very small.

If you seer a mutual fund with a ton of turnover it means they sell and buy different products very often, which not only has tax implications but data shows is inefficient in the long run. There are a group of hardcore Bogle supporters that believe the only fund you need to own is the Vanguard Admiral Total Stock Market Index, also VTI which is basically the same thing, but in ETF form and slowly add bond exposure as you get older. By reinvesting the dividends and adding money each month, it is actually quite easy to grow your money to points you once thought impossible.

As long as the entire stock market grows in value in the long run, which I think is a pretty good bet, you will continue to gain money. It isnt a flashy or appealing way to make money, in fact its very boring, but it will make your retirement easier and open up many opportunities for you when you decide its time to quit. You wont have to work a job until you are 70 years old and you can live life comfortably, something many Americans wont be able to do. Invest like Jack Bogle, be boring, be patient and benefit from it.

-Calaber24p

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That's why I was never good at investing - I can't do boring.

A couple of famous quotes in order to second your very good post.

On "active funds" with high fees, there is the famous joke of the young analyst at this famous hedge fund being taken to the marina by the senior partner who wants to motivate him. The senior partner points in turn to two bunches of yachts and says: "There are our yachts and over there are the yachts of our competitors". The young analyst replies "But ... where are the yachts of our customers?"

On making better returns when not trading much, Warren Buffet's response to a question from a Berkshire Hathaway shareholder: "Our favorite holding period is ... forever!"

Yeah boring is hard to do, I struggle with it I get urges to sell and buy all the time I often feel like I should change my password to my brokerage account haha.

Great post. I learned from my mistakes a lot when it comes to an investment. Before I traded every chap and I actualy lost lot of money at that time. This time I just hold while buying bigger pullbacks. This allows me not to panic, at least it has been working for me unlike before where I panicked every time trade turned against me. Manny people investing what they are not prepared to loose, emotions get involved very easy.
I’m glad your surgery went well.
Welcome back!
Thank you!

Yeah thats the problem , trading too much actually costs you more usually. I probably invested at a bad time when it comes to the top of the market recently, but in the long run I think ill be fine. I just need to stop checking every day. Thanks for the warm welcoming back !

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Honestly I was wondering since I haven’t seen any post from you especially when I knew you were having an open heart surgery. I’m glad you are ok.
I understand we are a humans and everyone’s emotions get involved. You just have to be prepared to loose your investment, otherwise it’s a recepy for disaster. I like your positive thinking. I like your post and advise how to invest hard earned money.

I actually had open heart surgery the first time, this time they only removed the wires from that surgery, so much much much less of a pain. I was still in the hospital at this time for open heart surgery. I never want to go through that again. But emotions are the hardest thing to get rid of, you need to just look at the statistics over time and take a deep breath.

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Very much like the tortoise and the hare.

ETF and dividend funds are boring, but over the long haul, they tend to perform better.

I wonder if there will ever be indexes and funds in the crypto realm... ?

Yeah boring investing, waiting and patience in key, but I think there probably will be at some point. If not an index fund, some sort of focused mutual/hedge fund. Probably hard to index them since so many move so quickly.

That Graze from George Soros might be true, but not on crypto.

In crypto, the traders can make money AS WELL as have fun while learning about new projects.

That’s my 2 cents about this subject.

Yeah crypto is different, I still dont know how to evaluate it completely and I think many others dont either.

For many of us with 401k's this is mostly good advice. I like low fees for sure. But unless something pays me to hold it, I dont like buy and hold. I dont think I would like to buy a fund yet that represented and equal weight of the entire crypto market and just sit on it forever.

I like buying high dividend funds even if the tax burden is a bit higher. Im doing this because in the future I wont actually have to sell and realize the capital gains on the appreciation, only the increased dividends.

get wwell soon
May Have fast recovery
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what is the minimum investment?

I'm so pro index funds as well. When someone asks me what they should buy, I always say buy a low cost index fund. Might refer them to this article in the future!