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When I was a kid, one of the consistent lessons my dad always tried to drive into my head was that if you didn't have the money for something, you couldn't have it.

End of story.

"But I want a new ____, can't you just buy it and keep my allowance for the next four weeks?"

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Nope.

To their credit, my parents didn't even have a mortgage on their house. They more or less "hand built" it, themselves, over a 10-year period, finishing different parts as they could afford to. All their cars were bought with cash — if you didn't have the money for a new car, then you didn't have a new car.

Not How Today's World Works!

Today, we depend on credit and debt.

In some parts of the world you're almost unpatriotic if you're not consuming things and spending money you don't actually have. It's almost as if we have grown addicted to instant gratification to such an extent that the thought of simply doing without something till you have the money in hand is more horrific than our worst nightmares.

Meanwhile, a veritable army of snake-oil salesmen show us ways to "have" that new car without payment for long enough that you end up so thoroughly in debt you won't be back out till the next millennium.

In fact, I'm only half joking when I expect to see "till death" financing on certain items... "buy now, and no repayment till we take it out of your estate when you die!"

I dunno about you, but there's just something morally and ethically wrong with that whole ball of wax.

Maybe it's the fact that the entire idea of "not being able to afford" something seems to have been swept under a rug somewhere, because "not-doing" and "not-having" is somehow counter to.... WHAT, exactly?

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Instruments of Misery and Demise?

I can't help but think about our daughter (27) and son (almost 30) who are both crippled by student load debt.

They incurred tens of thousands of dollars of debt in order to do what you're allegedly "supposed to do," to get ahead in life... which is to get a "better education" so you would ostensibly be able to get a "better job."

All these years later, neither of them have "better" jobs, and both work in fields that are largely unrelated to their degrees... because those were the only places they could actually find work. Meanwhile, both live in pretty second-rate apartments with the knowledge that they can't even start to save up for a down payment on a house till they've paid off their student loans. And they are among the ones who are not scamming the system.

When I see their situations, I feel mildly grateful that my own credit is so shitty I couldn't borrow 99 cents for a Big Mac. Of course, my credit got to be that way because I had to — you guess it — borrow money. In this case, borrow money to pay medical bills at a time when we simply didn't make enough to be able to both afford to live and to have a medical procedure done.

It's a sad situation to be faced with: "You can either borrow the money and pay, or you can be DEAD... or at least permanently disabled."

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Towards NO Debt!

For some years, we have been moving towards a place of having no debt... in a sense, it feels like an aspiration to step outside the system. A chance to not be beholden so some third party.

It's an interesting journey, because you really discover just how much the world is set up to NOT favor those who'd rather pay for something... rather than borrow to pay for that thing.

I sometimes start wondering if organizations like insurance companies will start creating three year (or longer) policies as standard, purely to make it that much more difficult to choose the cash option (requiring pre-payment in full) as opposed to the financing option. I hope not...

There are still a lot of things we really can't afford... but we are increasingly taking a long hard look at whether we need them at all if we don't happen to have the cash to pay for them in full, on the spot.

Thanks for reading!

Comments, feedback and other interaction is invited and welcomed! How do YOU feel about debt? Do you avoid it? Or do you depend on it? How do you manage it? Leave a comment-- share your experiences-- be part of the conversation!

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It's a good thing to keep in mind. Debt is a tool, but a dangerous one... Not free money!

borrow 99 cents for a Big Mac

Honestly, this would be the worst investment ever! I give you a 99 cent Ian, and you eat the asset! Hmmm'm... I think you need to work on that sales pitch!

And yet... people wander into Mickey Donald's all the time and charge their junk food burger on a credit card and then end up taking 24 months to pay off the balance. But few actually think about that reality...

My parents always instilled the saying and belief of:
you need to separate and decide the difference between needs and wants

Needs are a matter of survival whereas wants are extras and you only get when you have the extra money for. Like we needed clothes to wear, but if we wanted designer clothes, we had to pay for them ourselves.

Good lessons @goldendawne. And mostly, I haven't been in a position to purchase any "wants" for many many years... and thankfully I know the difference. Sadly, people's needs alone often exceed their capacity to pay for them...

"You can either borrow the money and pay, or you can be DEAD... or at least permanently disabled."

I don't know, maybe it's the state you live in but from what I understand is that hospitals can't refuse to treat someone with a life threatening condition based on ability to pay. I am pretty sure private hospitals have to live by that mandate also, they have to treat all life threatening conditions and/or stabilize the person before considering transport to another hospital. I think I've talked about this before here on one of your threads but here we have sliding scale fee clinics and if you have no ability to pay you are seen free. There is so much outreach here it's unreal in comparison to what I read from people along the west coast. I only thing I think is different is the fact the population factor, to much population and not enough resources, couple that with the high cost of living to live out there. If you moved to Michigan you could more than likely live like a king just off the drop of what you are paying to live out there and you'd be out of debt in no time. There can't be a huge difference in living off a lake shore than a ocean shore, it's all water as far as you can see, it's all blue, the sunsets the same way and the moon goes down just the same.

Well, you're absolutely right about life-threatening conditions and treatment — same laws apply in Washington state.

Needing rotator cuff surgery isn't "life threatening." It just mean you live with constant pain, and gradually lose range of motion to where you can't lift your hands above your shoulders. Not life threatening at all, and the pain could certainly be managed with some heavy duty pharmaceuticals that leave you loopy and doped up for the rest of your life. And if you "play your cards right," you can probably get on disability because you can't effectively work at much... often including sitting at a desk typing. Not much of a life, though, if you're otherwise a vital end energetic human being.

We actually moved west from the Akron/Cleveland, OH area to get away from endless winters, lake effect snows and endless rows of depressive dereliction, ghettos and high unemployment. No palce is perfect. On the balance, we're better off here. And even though the Ohio River no longer catches on fire, we still prefer the air quality here...

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Not much of a life, though, if you're otherwise a vital end energetic human being.

Wouldn't living on pain killers have a similar result.

I heard Ohio really sucks for air quality.

Yes, I have to agree, winters do tend to take their toll on you mentally.

We need to get at the root of the problem.

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

― Henry Ford

Yes, indeed.

And that will require some serious work, because most people are incredibly uncomfortable scraping beneath what appears on the surface....

Then they will remain the playthings of forces they do not understand, or even perceive.

I think the "root" I mostly feel drawn to work on is education. Schoolchildren are being taught how to mindlessly parrot, not how to think critically. Without critical thinking, they grow into adults being told that "the good life" is sitting in front of their 60-inc flat screen TV watching the Kardashians, and they lack the mental training to question that... and interpret that the "empty space inside" can be filled with some kind of additional "consumption" that releases a little shot of dopamine to their underengaged brains...

Education is a near monopoly largely run for the benefit of teacher's unions and a power elite who don't want a critical thinking public, not for the benefit of children or society. Good luck going up against that.

I avoid debt like the plague. I try my best to budget and most things in life fall under wants not needs. So many blow what little emergency fund they had on wants. When they have a true need well there no choice but debt. Further down the hole they go trying to dig themselves out with a spoon sized shovel. There are expectations to be made but most seem to think every whim or want is such a thing.

Debt makes more sense from a business stand point then use in personal stuff. That as well has to be a careful step one at a time. Banks they love to over lend and companies always take on more than they need for silly things.

I’d avoid it all if I could. When I can’t I want a giant shovel dig myself out of that mess!

I avoid it, too... and have taken on no new debt since 2015, and we're still digging out of the aftermath of so-called "medical debts."

Having had $70,000 worth of consumer debt (back in the 1990's) I know the drag of digging out. I always likened it to "bailing out the Titanic with a teacup." You feel like you're working a lot, but all you're really doing is making the sinking process a little slower.

Banks seem to prefer to lend money to people who don't need to borrow money...

Sometimes some events can cause you to go in debt or out of your control. It is up to you for finding the exit door!

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And sometimes you have to simply find ways to accept and embrace that your only options are "horrible" and "pretty bad," then bite the bullet and deal with it.

I always see every obstacle with a positive perspective and never accept the fact that you have to stay in the neutral zone and not move forward!

Just great advice your parents gave you!
The only debt we have is the mortgage on the house and that is how we would like to keep it!
Cheers,
Peter

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That's pretty smart, Peter... and I hope for you that it stays that way! I think people in Europe are less likely to take on a bunch of debt and find themselves drowning in it. Buying everything "on credit" seems to be a very American thing... comparatively speaking.

I do see it more and more happening also in Europe. We are a little behind! Americans are more used to pay everything with a card, we are just entering this phase. More and more is paid with a debit or credit card. This of course opens up possibilities for the week ones to trap into the pitfall of overspending!

Cheers,
Peter

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