⚖️⚖️ JUSTICE KAVANAUGH ⚖️⚖️

in news •  6 years ago  (edited)

I haven't been following the Kavanuagh proceedings at all, but I see people posting (mostly memes) about it on their Facebook feed.

I don't know all the details, but I think I'm correct to say the sexual assault stuff is allegation (rather than based on evidence).


Sexual assault is I guess generally an allegation type of thing. But often you could at least prove that a sexual encounter happened. And the "he said / she said" would be in regards to whether there was coercion.

Note that it's a combination of (1) an inherently murky thing to determine and (2) such an important thing to determine.

And it's much easier to corroborate stories and get a sense of what happened when it's dealt with sooner rather than later. So just speaking in general (like not even as it relates to the Kavanaugh thing), I feel like you cough up your benefit of the doubt the longer you wait.

And if you wait 30 years, there ought to be a really compelling reason to take it seriously.

Especially if you wait 30 years and then there's an obvious incentive to smear someone, there ought to be compelling reasons to take it seriously.

It's one thing to not know what to think*. But if you're one of those people who assumes the allegations have to be true to the point where you're outraged about it and heavily invested and posting updates on Facebook and looking at it like it's an important moral issue of our time.. you just aren't very bright.

*Anything is possible, but assuming a high degree of likelihood just because someone says so.. is insane, and a dangerous place to be.

Rape culture

The social justice crowd is causing it.

The unintended consequence of loosely believing and rallying behind all claims is that eventually you get some false claims (believe it or not, there are some sick and demented people who happen to have a vagina, and would smear people if they know they'll be believed). And then it dampens the sting of all similar claims, which is awful for actual victims and favorable for rapists.

(If people are used to rape allegations being sometimes false, there's less pressure against rape.)

Ultimately, it's potential victims who are protected by the presumption of innocence and reasonable standards of skepticism.

(And someone who waits 30 years and speaks up when there are obvious political motivations in play is a perfect example of something to at least be skeptical about.)

And again, if you can't see that, you aren't very bright, and you're making our beautiful world a tiny bit less safe.

Justice

I submit that the Supreme Court doesn't matter much at all anyways. It's nothing to get worked up over. Do you expect that you'll be there one day, and Kavanaugh will swing the outcome for you?

Ya ya.. "but they rule on all these major things that trickle down to us in some way".

Like what? lol

It's all a show. If you really care which judges are up there.. you need to turn off the TV, delete YouTube, and go take a walk.

In general the court system is so inaccessible to regular people trying to resolve disputes. Not cost-effective or good at helping if someone wrongs you. It's all top-heavy. It's all about large corporations sorting things out with each other. The only thing regular people care about is avoiding it, and not getting caught up in it because of the drug that they used.

All that's really important is maintaining the framework of presuming innocence and needing to prove guilt.

And while Kavanaugh's nomination process isn't a criminal trial, just going by the way some of these justice injustice warriors talk.. I don't get the vibe that they care too much about that framework.

Wildly backwards. Dangerous people.

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  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Hi full-measure, it is good to read a calm, appropriate response to this whole disgusting charade. And regardless of whom one supports, or how badly one feels they have been wronged, it takes some serious, willing zealotry to agree that a 36 year old allegation, with zero evidence and zero corroboration should be given the clout that the Ford testimony was given.

The extremists at home are as frightful as the one’s abroad.

Amen. Nothing to add :)

It's one thing to not know what to think*. But if you're one of those people who assumes the allegations have to be true to the point where you're outraged about it and heavily invested and posting updates on Facebook and looking at it like it's an important moral issue of our time.. you just aren't very bright.

Now, that's heavily worded.

I'm not a fan of Justice Kavanaugh (and for 'silly' reasons, I must admit)

I agree with you, rape is becoming something people use to bring their opponents down. I mean, it's dubious when rape victims only come out when the perpetrators are about to get nominated to some lofty position.

The worst part is that it affects people who are real rape victims.

Anyway, American is far away so there is no need to lose my sleep.

Why I don't like him?
Coz I kinda identify with neoliberalism and the general consensus is that Kavanaugh is a threat to that.

Now that I've read your post (especially that paragraph), I'm inclined to do some digging of my own.

I know his stance on interpreting the constitution and I don't have much of an issue with it. I'm more concerned with Human Rights, with limiting the power of the government over the private lives of citizens

But then, you've made some solid points.

Blessings

Ya, I don't know too much about Kavanaugh in his own right and what kind of judge he would be. I just think your opinion on that should default to whatever it was without the rape allegation.

Because there's no shortage of people who would be willing to allege something here, when the stakes are this large.

So believing he's a rapist without evidence or corroboration is basically just asking to be lied to, and it's what fuels this whole circus and causes it to happen.

The worst part is that it affects people who are real rape victims.

Ya, I'm sure the whole thing is horrific.

Like, you can't at the end of the day base something on hearsay from something three decades ago. (Because then every nominee can always be taken down at the snap of a finger.) So the more people get invested in "he's a rapist, Kavanaugh must be stopped".. it's just gonna end badly, and end up sending the message that a rapist got away with it and is in a big position.

Which has to be just awful, for anyone who believes it.

And then real victims may feel less likely to speak (like what's the point, it's gonna turn into a circus).

But really, it would be nothing like that. If it isn't in the middle of a political thing and a 36 year old allegation with nothing to it, it isn't the same and won't be like that.

Really.. the fact that it got this big to the point of delaying and apparently almost stopping a big political thing -- on what's nothing more than someone claiming this happened -- shows how hungry people are to believe women.

Let's say I didn't like some politician or judge nominee or something.. I doubt I could call up the newspaper and be like "hey, he attacked me with a hammer and broke my arm 20 years ago" and then it goes that far where I'm on TV and delaying the proceedings and a national headline and set to write books about it etc.

People want to believe rape victims.

You just can't reasonably expect allegation alone to determine who gets to have major political posts.

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Murica ✊These are one of the times one is glad to be from a different part of the world! Seeing all the back and forths on twitter is exasperating enough.

To actually be there! In 'Murica the Great! I'm afraid my stomach can't take it right now. Besta luck bro haha

But ya it's like people use social media as their outlet and then if you walk the streets you wouldn't know the difference

(I hope it stays that way and doesn't get cray cray)

Definitely. It's so fascinating the way social media gives everyone the voice they don't seem to have in real life.

It's probably a good thing when you consider it from an angle, but it also makes for a lot of stupid things being said, and trolls and e-thugs who live in their mother's basement and so on lol.

There's probably a psychology book that deals with this already. I'd definitely like to read it

Hahah ya, it's like an outlet. Probably good in some ways and bad in some ways. Like.. it might be annoying if everyone was blabbing about it. On the other hand, people probably wouldn't be so hysterical if they had to represent their ideas IRL.

I bet it's like.. when you say things out loud and read and intuit the reaction from other people and how you feel, it's a helpful way to stay on track.

I bet a lot of the political things and the whole Trump/SJW dynamic is a reflection of that. There's always been motivation to try to get in the way and beat the other side. In the past it would be tinier things. NOW you can get people to rally behind more hysterical things.

(and it creates an ongoing loop where now something like "oh he ruled on this case in a questionable way" would seem like nothing, and you need increasingly salacious things.)

Enjoy the show bro! You can enjoy it from a distance without worrying about it boiling over lol

bet it's like.. when you say things out loud and read and intuit the reaction from other people and how you feel, it's a helpful way to stay on track.

Definitely! Thats a great way of seeing it.

NOW you can get people to rally behind more hysterical things.

Yes, my point exactly. I don't know if I'm being overly sensitive but its the hysteria and the hysteria from the reactions to the hysteria and that loop you mentioned that's killling me haha. But yaa, it IS a helluva show sometimes.

Enjoy the show bro! You can enjoy it from a distance without worrying about it boiling over lol

I'll definitely do that haha. Cheers bro.

Hahaha :p thanks for your well wishes! Fortunately it doesn't seem to play out into the streets or factor in at all, so Twitter and Facebook is pretty much the extent of it lol. I don't really use Twitter.. on Facebook my strategy has been to unfriend people when they say something fucked up 😆 (at least, if I don't really talk to them or care much about them anyways :p)

I've lost two during the Kavanaugh thing! Would probably be more if I didn't already have some people on unfollow lulz

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Fortunately it doesn't seem to play out into the streets or factor in at all,

I thought as much. Social media's just beautiful like that. lol.

I've lost two during the Kavanaugh thing!

haha...rotfl...well like they say, we win some and lose some.

  ·  6 years ago Reveal Comment

Blah blah blah

But - but - he speaks wisdom!