A question:
How are you going to prove each and every instance on your list is racially motivated as the term "white supremacist police" would indicate?
In many of these cases even Wikipedia doesn't go as far as to describe them as racially motivated, so I doubt the court documents do either. And in those cases where there is clear racism it is indeed stated, but reading through some of these I really don't get the vibe that all of them are.
Also, are these all "unarmed blacks"? The first one has 5 Mexicans and 2 white dudes, no blacks. Are all Mexican and Caucasian Black too?
It is also worth mentioning that even if you want to pick through all of these cases, and find the ones that you refuse to see the racially motivated elements involved, I can easily replace it with another instance even more egregious than the one you refuse to recognize. If I can find a thousand cases, I can find 500 more.
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You do that. If your full list does not comply with the stated rules the deal is off.
The rules of the bet (again, just that you don't forget):
Let me be clear, these (above) were the rules:
Be sure every case fits these, otherwise the deal is off. You took my offer, you accepted my terms.
Since "white supremacist" was of your own description, I am hesitant to drop the rule, but I'll give you this one for it is indeed hard to prove: The perpetrator doesn't need to be a "white supremacist", but they have to be white (no Jews, Hispanics, Blacks or Asian or other ethnicities), otherwise the deal is off.
Anyway, as "White supremacist" was your own description of these people, I will uphold the need to a full disclosure of the racial motivation, which most definitely can be found in the court documents.
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Even with all of your prerequisite conditions, I can still find a thousand cases. Go ahead and pick out whichever cases don't meet your rules, and I can still replace each and every one of them.
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Let's not forget it was your job to present them to me first. If your list doesn't comply with the rules... Oh let me quote myself for you:
I didn't say I would debate them with you, I didn't say I would accept "corrections" at a later date or anything like that. I said I would call your bullshit. The rules were clear enough to follow.
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I have most definitely found a thousand cases. I actually found over three thousand cases of police involved lynchings just doing a little research this weekend.
I honestly never expected you to pay it out, or even to admit you were wrong. I just want it out here for everyone to see. I will keep posting these cases. I will keep exposing you as a liar.
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You provide me with a thousand cases that are not all about white supremacist police officers attacking black unarmed victims which was the bet.
Sorry, you lost.
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The bet was "I can find you a thousand cases..."
I can still find you a thousand cases. Actually I already have. If you refuse to read them, debate them, or even acknowledge them, you are obviously just trying to weasel out of paying.
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You didn't make the bet.
You made a claim.
I made a bet, and I gave you rules to the bet. You didn't pay attention to the rules.
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Aside from being able to easily find replacement cases for each instance that doesn't meet your ridiculous standard of what constitutes proven racism, I will also gladly debate each individual case with you. The Bloody Christmas incident was racially motivated. The wikipedia article makes several references to a long record of racial tension between LAPD and the Hispanic community. Anyone looking at this article, and refusing to see where it clearly indicates racially motivated violence, is simply refusing to acknowledge reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Christmas_(1951)
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Which it doesn't. It mentions tension, but not "racial tension", and it mentiones "racial profiling" once. In fact the whole word "race" is there once as in "racial profiling".
I mean the courts documenting "racial slurs" like in the case of the Danziger Bridge Shooting. These things can be proven. You just want to be lazy and conflate everything as racism.
I wanted proven cases, not hearsay.
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I can actually pull up over three thousand cases of lynchings in which police were complicit and involved. There are court documents, newspaper articles, and a mountain of evidence showing police complicity and participation in the lynchings of over 3000 African Americans. Learn your American history before making such moronic statements and bets.
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Did you follow the rules the first time?
No.
Why should I believe your claims now?
Police participating in over 3000 lynchings of African Americans? You are proposing another bet?
Your American history, not mine. I'm an outside observer.
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Do the 3000 lynched African Americans not count towards the thousand cases? Even if only a third of them had proven involvement by courts and police, that would be enough to prove a thousand cases of white on black racist policing. Stop trying to deflect to a new bet. I'm still trying to hold you accountable for the first bet you made.
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The first one was about blacks and you gave me Mexicans. Do you think I'm going to accept a blatant switch to "hey but there was this time in history america was really racist"?
Go ahead if you want but that's not a bet I'm going to accept. I'm sure there is a sore spot in every country's history.
When you said you can provide video evidence, I assumed you were talking about relatively recent history. Are you going to provide me with video and court evidence of each lynching of those alleged 3000 cases? No I didn't think so.
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The Bloody Christmas case was rooted in racial tension between the LAPD and the hispanic community. If you actually read the article, you would know that.
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Or maybe, just maybe it was rooted in tension between criminals in once group and law officers in the other. How could you tell?
Physically resisting a police officer will get you manhandled too whether you are white or not. And in 1951 the police were even more likely to act with force than they are today. The tensions were a lot harsher then.
Why indeed do you think that when a cop roughs up someone it is always because racism?
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Of course there is no video evidence, but there are court documents and newspaper articles.
Anyone reading this can see you moving the goalposts to avoid paying out. It's pretty obvious.
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These are all white supremacist cops according to you.
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That's the trick isn't it? How do you actually prove someone is a white supremacist? There is no actual legal precedent. You asked me to prove the misconduct. There has been disciplinary action, settlements, and convictions in all of these stories. That means that misconduct has been proven in a court of law. In every case, the misconduct was against a person of color. You can't literally prove someone is a racist. It would be ludicrous to expect that. You asked for proven misconduct. Here it is.
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"White supremacist" was your own description of the perpetrators. Are you weaseling out?
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Funny how folks like you like to accuse their adversaries of that which they are most guilty of themselves. If anyone here is trying to weasel out of something, it is most definitely you.
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No these were your exact words:
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You are doing exactly as I predicted. You are refusing to read each individual story, and you are avoiding and dismissing the evidence that shatters your claims.
If you think a white sheriff handing over a black man to a lynch mob is somehow not white supremacy, than you are obviously ignoring solid evidence and dismissing legitimate information.
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I read as far as I could until I noted that your cases were not all about white officers assaulting on black victims. Edit: and mostly it is not clear if there's a racial motive.
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Like I said, we can debate each case, or I can even just get a replacement case where the racism is egregious enough to meet your insanely tilted standards.
The fact of the matter is, it can be done. I could have found a thousand cases a month ago, and every day new cases are opened and closed. Had I actually believed you were sincere in your statement regarding this bet, I would have started this project a lot sooner.
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Why do you want to do that now when you already got called for not providing what was asked? You had the chance and you blew it.
You were given explicit rules, and you didn't follow them.
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I really wouldn't care if you "could provide me with 3000 actual lynchings by police officers" now even if it was with video evidence, because you already fucked up with the first 1000.
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