Can someone or someones give me a clear definition of what exactly that entails
Vote for what you think is good content that adds value to Steem by helping to promote it, helping to attract large amounts of high quality web traffic, helping to recruit new users, etc.
Do not vote because you are paid to vote, because you are trading votes with someone else, because you want to boost your own rewards, etc.
This. I mean, we talked about that 3 times the last weeks on discord, but if you need to hear it a fourth time:
Don't treat the rewards you can give as your property, you are not giving out tips, you are assigning rewards from the shared pool to people who bring value to this platform. The value in it lies in a diverse span of content from hundreds of authors. Don't vote for the same people you made friends with all the time.
There are a lot of services which can help you to achieve this if you're not interested in digging: c-squared, curie, helpie, steemstem, curangel, just to name a few.
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In a round about way you are bullying people into using your service, you downvote them and the first thing you do is tell them they can delegate to you and all their worries go away, in fact you literally almost said that exact thing to me previously. Either play by your rules or deal with downvotes every day, your choice.
Setting that aside... what number is "good enough" for you? I have already stopped voting for slow, old, widsom, cryptopassion and a few others... If you look at my top 30 votes on any post you will see that I have only ever voted for a handful of those people. So a handful out of 30 is vote trading? I didn't make any deals with these people, I just voted for what I liked and some of them happened to vote me back, which is basically what is happening with the vast majority of accounts on here! Yet you to continue to downvote me every day regardless.
How about a couple witnesses that post just about every single day, some multiple times per day and get upvotes from mostly the same people every day? Ye they aren't being downvoted... and don't forget they are also collecting 334 steem per day as a witness, which amounts to 2,338 steem per week... them earning high amounts on random posts every day sounds like double dipping to me, at the very least.
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My service is an offer (for free), I really don't mind if you use it, I don't get anything out of it. I also mentioned a lot of others.
You have (at least) 10 votes per day, worth $2 each. The last 7 days you gave those to 28 people. The last month to 50. These numbers show me that you don't care for the bigger community. So why should that community reward you?
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But I thought it was about POB? Why should someone's voting activity dictate one way or another what a post is worth? That seems to contradict itself.... pretty mightily actually.
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It may because vote trading and vote selling (which are equivalent) is damaging to the game theory behind PoB as has been explained in posts many, many times going back three years.
So it comes down to value. If someone is doing damage to PoB then they may not be contributing on net, even if their posts are otherwise okay, and rewards should follow value contribution, or they are a waste of money.
That, I guess, is the logic behind curangel and others prioritizing these downvotes, but that is up to them as with any stakeholder deciding how to use their votes.
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That makes sense, though they don't seem to define what exactly vote trading is. If you vote for someone and they in turn vote for you later on despite any kind of agreement or anything of the sort, does that constitute vote trading? And for those that have traded votes, at what level does it become damaging? Many on here tend to vote for content they like, people they like, and people that vote for them, all somewhat normal social behavior. My question to those groups has always been at what point does it become a "downvotabe offense"? I'd just like to see some guidelines that are enforced community wide...
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They're entitled to their opinion on what is vote trading, what is adding value, etc.
There won't be any, other than perhaps what emerges over time as a result of stakeholder voting behavior (but could also change over time). There is no such enforcement mechanism other than voting itself.
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Do not vote because you are paid to vote, because you are trading votes with someone else, because you want to “boost your own rewards, etc.”
So says the guy upvoting his own comments. Pathetic and hypocritical. 😂😂😂😂
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No I don’t actually because your not that type of guy so wondering why you did it at all......see I did just what you did, last week ONE TIME for the same reason you did....just to move it up to the top to get noticed. Then the fan boys you support like OCDB, Pharesim, Acidyo, Cure all chastised me and flagged for it. But it’s ok if you do it.....this place in in a deep pile of shit right now.
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So you're not mad that he's upvoted his message for visibility (Vote for what you think is good content that adds value to Steem by helping to promote it), you're mad because you were "chastised" for doing the same, so you called what he did pathetic and hypocritical not because you meant that, but because of who you think his friends are and how they treated you?
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No I’m simply saying if we are gonna have flag “gangs” at least some sort of guidelines should be PUBLISHED so people can understand and there is no double standard. Smooth is good for this blockchain in my opinion, others are not in my opinion but smooth can get away with things that others can’t. Is that ok with you? It’s not ok with me. I like Jcornell and his posts I used to vote him and he voted me because I assume he liked my content as well, why is that wrong? We PAID for our stake, we did not earn from the witness pool or got lots of tokens in the begging of Steemit. Why can’t we do what we want with our SP when it comes to votes? If you want more power....BUY MORE POWER....oooooorrr just con dormant accounts to delegate to you like Acidyo and Pharesim to centralize the power I guess.
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It seems that you don't want guidelines as you directed snark at the suggestions made in response to the post, suggestions some consider mighty fine guidelines. Is it ok that some people can do things that other's cannot? Absolutely. Reputation is earned after all, and some have earned a repugnant reputation that follows them. No one said that it's wrong to vote for content you like, in fact it's the exact same guidelines that you ridiculed and sought to make it seem as if there is some "double standard" and hypocrisy where there is none. You CAN do what you want with your stake regardless of how you "earned" it, just as everyone else can do so. But then you didn't say anything after all, you only opened your mouth to remove all doubt as to the Reputation you Deserve, because nothing says you're a fag like hurling accusatory nonsense at some of the most respected people on here as the punctuation to your posturing about "double standard" or whatever the fuck preceded the nonsense.
#guessAGAIN
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You certainly can, and others can downvote with theirs.
Am I good enough for the blockchain to justify a $0.04 payout? If you think I'm not then go ahead and downvote my comment.
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Downvoting is not in my nature....guess you just miss my point.
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Let me see if I understand correctly. You upvoted yourself for 0.04 last week and were chastised and flagged for it?
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@smooth - vote for what you think adds value? So, by your own definition, you deem that almost nothing on here adds value as you vote for your burnpost every single day and rarely anything else? Which you collect curation rewards for btw and is akin to self voting 10x per day, you just happen to burn the other half. Noble? Debatable, but you are earning curation either way and not upvoting anyone else.
Ignoring that and continuing with your recommendation of voting for adding value, recruiting new users etc... I have brought close to 20 people here Smooth, I am betting that is more than you have. Most of them have left by now, but several are still around. Of those users I have brought several of them have invested well over $10k of their own money into steem, something I have also done. Regarding voting, I tend to vote for crypto oriented posts and crypto oriented authors, which is exactly how communities traditionally form. You find like minded authors/people and content you enjoy and that is where most of your time is spent.
Regarding posting, I have actually spent time researching and posting high SEO related/optimized topics and posts trying to bring the most eyes possible to steem. Which is actually why my blog is structured the way it is.
If you look at my posts I have only ever voted for a handful of my top 30 votes or so each day, yet that is considered vote trading? If I like someone's content, vote for them and then they vote for me, that is considered vote trading? It sounds like there is no regard for content. If that is the way it needs to be so be it, lets code in the fact that if someone votes for you, you may not vote for them within a 3 day period or 7 day or whatever. But dissecting everyone's voting activity on here is not sustainable or going to be applied equally platform wide, which is what we are already seeing.
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My personal view is that there is not much being posted which adds enough value to justify its cost in inflation. Burnpost is basically neutral, at least as long as there is no SBD premium (value added = inflation reduced). There are certainly exceptions and I do vote for those. I especially see value in small rewards for comment engagement, which I vote constantly. I see less value in people earning a regular paycheck without demonstrated performance in growing the platform (and since the platform on the whole is not growing, it means no one is performing).
Not everyone has to agree with my view. It seems a fair number do though.
That's not how curation rewards work. Curation rewards on burnpost are terrible (as they should be) due to early votes, not even close to half. I could easily earn more voting elsewhere. But if you think burnpost is a bad use of reward funds, then please downvote it (which would reduce even further curation rewards for people who upvote it). Voting consensus is all about measuring agreement and disagreement and directing rewards accordingly,.
That is easily circumvented using multiple accounts.
Also, the nature of a voting system is to allow the behavior of the reward flow to evolve over time (sometimes slowly, sometimes rapidly) based on stakeholder subjective view on what is important. Coding in things means being beholden to a hard fork schedule and introducing more risks of bugs and crashes, which we've already seen. We don't need more of that.
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If you have ever upvoted any post of mine it has felt like a ratio of 50-1 in terms of downvotes to upvotes. Though further investigation shows that it is not anywhere close to that, though your downvotes do slightly outnumber your upvotes.
Irregardless...
That's fine, though it sounds like there isn't any form of content that you think is worth the rewards on here. Shame you have chosen to focus on mine while disregarding the majority of the other hundreds/thousands that you also deem not worth the reward yet rarely act on them.
Irre-irregardless, my point isn't about that, it is more about the people controlling the largest voting trail in the history of steem publishing some guidelines for their downvotes so that the community can know what is "allowed". Much in the same way they mention having standards for upvoting.
The level of drama on here is at a fever pitch and not likely to attract much of anyone.
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Pretty sure you are wrong about that. I don't seek out your posts at all, and don't even systematically downvote at all. Your posts are among those which I see with high payouts everyday and I may downvote if I happen to notice, but hardly unique in this, I downvote plenty of others too. But do keep in mind that we only get 2.5 free downvotes per day if voting at 100%, which I usually don't, more like 50% so perhaps 5 votes. The only way downvoting is to have a real impact is if a lot of people were doing it, which mostly isn't the case. A lot of crap still falls through the cracks every day due to there being hardly any downvotes overall, unfortunately.
Posting anything is allowed (unless you are violating some law or ToS of a UI you are using). You are just not guaranteed to earn rewards ever. That is up to stakeholder voters.
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Yes of course, allowed to earn rewards, which I was hoping would be pretty clear with the quotation marks around it. :)
Yes, you are right, the downvotes and upvotes were pretty close, it has just felt like a lot more and the downvotes were much more memorable and impactful on an emotional level. It may not have been targeted but when you see a lack of many other downvotes it's hard to not feel that it is, which is part of the problem with community downvotes in general, the feelings attached.
But again this is all so far besides the main point. You are free to downvote whatever you like, as is anyone else. However, when the downvotes come from the largest downvoting trail in the history of steem and continue day after day regardless of content or its value, that is when it turns from stake holder consensus to bullying.
Something that likely won't attract or retain much of anyone.
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I just looked at my history. I have voted you 83 times, of which 37 were upvotes and 46 were downvotes.
Which BTW, is out of a total of 4457 downvotes.
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Wow... those numbers still surprise me I thought it would have been worse in terms of downvotes to upvotes. I guess that further drives home the point about emotions being attached to downvotes... they become much more impactful and memorable. Thanks for looking that up by the way. I stand corrected about the 50-1 thoughts.
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Sorry, I had the numbers reversed (due to a dumb coding error in my query), and you may not have seen the edit. Still either way it is close to 50/50 and only a tiny portion of my downvotes.
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(There were a ton of edits here, so if I didn't respond to all of them it was because much of it was added after I responded)
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No worries. I definitely edit too much.
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