If you find spam on PALnet...

adenijiadeshina (66) · 6 years ago

That is kind to hear about. The system must surely be protected

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nonameslefttouse (74) · 6 years ago

Twas so nice, you said it thrice.

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adenijiadeshina (66) · 6 years ago

Oh, I never knew not until you told me now. It was really a mistake either from my keyboard typing or when I was sending the message on steempeak. It was a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out

nonameslefttouse (74) · 6 years ago

That's okay! I thought it was humorous. No harm done.

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skramatters (66) · 6 years ago

Hear hear, so I must be in palnet.io to utilize my free flag right? Forgive my not being with the program.. I'm aware since I'm staked my upvotes on anything tagged palnet will reward palnet as well, but unclear on the flag..

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3 votes

clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

It works just like voting, but instead of charging you voting power for the first flag, you get a free one per day. Only works on stuff that is or was tagged palnet, some people were trying to remove tags as a way to avoid it, but that don't work no more, got patched really quickly. :)

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skramatters (66) · 6 years ago

Awesome good to know, what slick Willie's we have here SMH.. No pal for you! Good to know u guys r on top of the lames! 🤗

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

Cheers with !BEER

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beerlover (62) · 6 years ago

Sorry, out of BEER, please retry later...

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

How can I replenish it?

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skramatters (66) · 6 years ago

It’s the thought that counts and I have a real cold beer in hand 🍺 thanks 🙏🏽 for the effort

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

I got so excited reading this I voted too early. :) Just... Thank you.

Scammers and Creatives cannot live financially together in peace. Although I am not huge, if anyone needs help DV some shit, I too will help!

Keep Pal Clean!

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

I'm glad you're involved, it seems that we share a lot of the same philosophy and principles when it comes to the platform. Ultimately we need everyone to take/share ownership of the platform to make it work, but one of the reasons for the initial distribution to the mods was for this reason exactly. We've been tracking some, pretty easy to follow the coins and find the accounts doing it. It's going to get fun :)

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5 votes

skramatters (66) · 6 years ago

Exciting stuff

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

Keep the motivation I would say... 🤪

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eturnerx (64) · 6 years ago

One thing that might make it easier is that a downvote with PAL attached is priorisited for manual @nopal4u downvoting. Then the minnows might get more involved.

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago (edited)

That's some interesting food for thought. I'm sure we could get an automated feed of downvoted content, I'm just curious how overwhelming it could get. I like the idea of getting minnows involved and that's why I'm making it clear that if they can help us find out, we'll help deal with it. I'll talk to the team and see how we can streamline this process and possibly add incentive. Of course that always opens up a new potential abuse channel, but perhaps picking some good "abuse hunters" and rewarding them with staked PAL would be a worthwhile pursuit. Certainly something to discuss with the team. Thanks for the idea!

7 votes

eturnerx (64) · 6 years ago

Could throw some AI at it. Even a simple reputation system for doenvoters would help cut through the workload.

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

We all need AI devs...

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revisesociology (73) · 6 years ago

Will i need to go onto Discord to find potential posts to flag?

Or will there be a daily post from a particular account outlining what to flag along the lines of @steemflagrewards ?

I'd like to make sure I'm using my full downvote in the most effective, targeted and co-ordinate way to encourage the biggest abusers to leave one account at a time.

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3 votes

forykw (64) · 6 years ago

I second your thoughts too. 😎

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discordiant (61) · 6 years ago

Since I was heading up the old Anti-Abuse Team, and still acting in somewhat that capacity, I might be doing something along those lines.

Gonna discuss it with the team.

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revisesociology (73) · 6 years ago

Good to hear, I really out to drop by the Minnow Discord at some point, problem is work and time.

Great Steem name you've got btw.

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discordiant (61) · 6 years ago

The server has actually always been called PAL, it's just been home mostly to the Minnow Support Project until recently. We'd love to have you drop in and chat. It honestly is one of the best parts of the PAL community and why we are still here.

Thanks, I have had the name in various forms since probably 2005-2006 when I took inspiration from a fellow forum moderator for EVE Online's official forums. Eris Discordia. It wasn't until recently that I found out about the concepts behind it. I just thought it sounded cool.

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revisesociology (73) · 6 years ago

I really should, this PAL initiative really is one of the best things on Steem.

See you in there some time. I'll need to keep myself posted about anti-abuse co-ordination - SFG is also one of my favourite things on Steem!

galenkp (75) · 6 years ago

A question: Is there any plans to do a mobile app and have a post scheduling feature?

Good work on the take out the trash ethos too.

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

I think whatever should be the integration... if you are using an app that votes on the STEEM blockchain... you should get the same participation.

Although.. I would love an option been made available... to ALL apps... in regards to what Token to support when voting. This would make a lot more sense, ESPECIALLY to STEEM!

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Any STEEM app (like partiko or esteem) will technically work, you just have to use the tag. I'd love to see one of those apps add support for Tribes, and who knows, after seeing the support that SteemPeak integrated, maybe it's coming. :)

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bitcoinflood (77) · 6 years ago

I think the one 100% downvote is a smart idea. However is it moderated? You know cuz some people on steemit like to flag people they simply dislike over and over again.

clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

If things get too far out of hand, people can become completely excomunicado if need be. That's a last resort, but it does exist.

6 votes

skramatters (66) · 6 years ago

After a healthy inquisition 🤘

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

only 3089 to go man.

clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

My best effort hasn't even got 1 percent of the comments of the average Marky post. feelsbadman.jpg

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

Almost none of them are real.

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doctorcrypto (59) · 6 years ago

I like this attitude.
Good to know I have a free downvote if I need it. :)

mytechtrail (59) · 6 years ago

Glad to hear, but as I have enough trouble keeping up with the people I follow and do not check hot or trending. I do not think I will ever seen much spam to downvote.

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Understandable, but you should check them out on PALnet some time if you get the chance. It's a much different experience from steemit's trending/hot. :)

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mindtrap (74) · 6 years ago (edited)

Believe it or not, those who those who interact with me know that ”I just...can’t downvote.Just can’t...” but after reading this...it was probably the go for it injection I needed.

clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

One of the biggest problems with STEEM is the lack of incentive most users feel to actually hold the tokens. We really wanted to reconcile that and there is a huge hurdle to overcome with getting people to feel comfortable with flagging, but even with STEEM, the next hardfork seems to be trying to address it. The thing is that flagging is just as important as voting, and while most people fear retaliation on steemit, we wanted to make it clear from the get-go that we want you all flagging spam. We're going to be doing it either way, but it really takes a community effort to keep things in check and ultimately it benefits all of us. Hopefully you give it a try, and if you need any guidance before hand, feel free to talk with us in the Discord and we'll review the content and join in if necessary.

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6 votes

mindtrap (74) · 6 years ago

We're going to be doing it either way, but it really takes a community effort to keep things in check and ultimately it benefits all of us.

That.

Bring them on. :)

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

💀 ☠️ 💀 ☠️ 💀

🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮

Basically asking for a downvote LOL

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slobberchops (74) · 6 years ago

steemit and to stop people from wrecking the economy in a similar fashion by
gaming the rewards pool

Applaud!!!!…

Everyone gets a free 100% downvote tied to their PAL stake every day. If you hold PAL and want it to retain value, it's just as much your job as any of ours to take out the trash.

That's new to me, though I think it will pull it from my STEEM VP, I know upvoting does.

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3 votes

celestal (71) · 6 years ago

though I think it will pull it from my STEEM VP, I know upvoting does.

I was thinking about the same thing. Steem and PAL voting should be seperated to get the full benefit for the free PAL downvote.

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Maybe we're just early for the next STEEM hardfork. :)

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

It will still upvote or downvote on STEEM. Interestingly enough, the next hardfork for STEEM is going to have the same 50/50 rewards split and downvote pool. 🤔

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6 votes

bluefinstudios (65) · 6 years ago

I like how this front end is shaping up.

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fracasgrimm (60) · 6 years ago

Jalapeno spam ok?

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Only bacon spam here mate.

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doitvoluntarily (77) · 6 years ago

in order to upvote you on PAL do I have to do it only through PAL or if I upvote on steemit will it also upvote you on PAL?

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Any post with the palnet tag works.

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doitvoluntarily (77) · 6 years ago

no but if im using steemit.com and I upvote your palnet post, will it also give you an upvote on this palnet.io site? same same?

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

It works across the whole blockchain. It just only allocates the PAL reward pool to posts with tag. You can use any of the STEEM sites, like this one!
https://steempeak.com/tribes/PAL/@doitvoluntarily/feed

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doitvoluntarily (77) · 6 years ago

and I can use that tag on any post?

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

Super craaaazy how much adoption this is taking!

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sergiomendes (74) · 6 years ago

Well done. Ehehe I just like to upload my own original personal content. That is not really popular on the blockchain unless you are a whale already lol

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mineopoly (64) · 6 years ago

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sgt-dan (61) · 6 years ago

Very nice motto on the coin/logo... short and to the point! I believe that PALNET is the way to go. Many wonderful initiatives the past few months have come to fruition from the PAL community. I am truly impressed!

Thank you for the explanation of the PALNET core philosophy. As a token of appreciation for the information, I am sending you some tokens!

!SHADE 5

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rahul.stan (63) · 6 years ago

Maybe even reward those who find spam and report it? Just like steemcleaners. Palcleaners if I may.

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discordiant (61) · 6 years ago

This is something that is being looked into. I am sure there will be updates with whatever we plan to do.

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rahul.stan (63) · 6 years ago

Cool. This along with the mods fighting spam would keep palnet clean I hope.

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ajayyy (65) · 6 years ago (edited)

If I use my free 100% downvote, will it still use up my steem VP?

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

For now yes, but it's looking like in the next hardfork STEEM will have a free downvote pool too.

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forykw (64) · 6 years ago

Free up to the exhaustion of the Downvote pool... which afterwards would consume from the normal rewards pool (just like now).

So, it will be interesting how people abuse or not of the downvote pool... I see bots will probably be constantly using this pool. So, how to solve that problem is already a concern to me.

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neuerko (61) · 6 years ago

You could even gamificate this...

Hunt the Spammer!

Just saying...

Jokes apart, it's great to see this kind of initiatives.

Greetings from Mexico.

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stackin (78) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the update... didn't know we got 1 free 100% downvote a day! I'll nuke the spammers with it :)

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

If we can get everyone used to using them, things should look a bit different than what we've seen in the past.

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hitmeasap (71) · 6 years ago

Wow... That sounds really awesome. Seems like I might have found what I've been longing for now when I started to use PALnet.

Awesomeness!

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emergehealthier (65) · 6 years ago

I'll be on the lookout for spam posts! I love that you addressed the problem right out of the gate.

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thecastle (68) · 6 years ago

I wonder if I missed out on some stuff. Did I need to do anything to gain access to the pal network? I noticed its hooked into the new DTube.

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This is a good place to start.

clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

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8 votes

thecastle (68) · 6 years ago

Oh interesting!

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thecastle (68) · 6 years ago

Well I just logged on now. Lets see if I can cross post dtube on here as well for 3 coin reward pool :D

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abh12345 (76) · 6 years ago

Music to my ears. Great to hear we have content moderation and accounts with the power to actually do something about it 👍🏽💪🏽

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clayboyn (70) · 6 years ago

Sometimes you just gotta break out the flamethrower.

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machnbirdsparo (65) · 6 years ago

Super initiative. It amazes me how well self governance can work, at times. I am sure it will improve as we figure it out.

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gray00 (57) · 6 years ago

Nuked as in banned? I don't really want to go back to having bans with social media .A lot of things can be done to encourage good . Remove earnings from posts would be one tiny thing , another have a specific page for flags where users can see the flags because when people get flagged during a normal browse they tend to flip out and ruins the experience / and the have negative thought about pal/steem/whatever they had the experience with . just my 0.02 tho.

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