Steem-Monsters: It's Time For A Change (Suggestion)

rentmoney (68) in palnet • 5 years ago

I think the Steem-Monsters game would benefit greatly from my below suggestion. I would like to see different league standings for each level as structured below.

League 1: Novice/Bronze
League 2: Silver
League 3: Gold
League 4: Diamond/Champion

Each league would have its own top 10 and rewards awarded accordingly (Novice league with small rewards / Champion league with the highest rewards). Each player has to pick what league they want to join prior to the start of the league so no one account can win multiple top 10 spots. We would still have the problem of multi-accounting but at least it keeps everyone's main account in one specific league thus helping to fight reward farming abuse.

One of the benefits of the above system is more winners and winners tell their friend about this awesome game we are playing. They also spend more on the game because they're " good at it ".

Being the best Novice/Bronze/Silver/Gold player would be a nice bragging right and will give incentive to lower level players to Buy/Level up cards so they can be the best in the league they choose to play in.

What do you think of my suggestions? Do you have some of your own? Comment below to let me know.

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jarvie (70) · 5 years ago

Man this is a blast from the past suggestion. It's obvious this needs to happen but i've stopped fighting this fight. There's certainly ways to make this work. Heck there could be a league where new users play the game just for fun and don't even own cards just like a simulator and then say... dang I like playing this and I think I could be pretty good. And yes being the best of silver league could be really fulfilling right now if you're silver you're just ranked like player #1600 ... that isn't fulfillment at all sounds like more reason to not want to play.

Best of luck getting true leagues going. It will end up that way it's just a matter of how long they fight it and honestly i'm sure they have other things in mind for development so i'm not expecting to see it anytime soon.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago (edited)

I agree with everything you said. A few of us have certainly talked about this a time or two in the Maverick chat and it looks like we have mostly if not all positive feedback here in the comments.

I wanted to toss it out there again to hopefully bring it near the forefront of the "things to do list" (that is likely huge) the founders have. Hopefully they have seen all the positive feedback the proposed change has garnered. Thanks for stopping by and voicing your opinion.

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uwelang (74) · 5 years ago

Great idea, could increase fun and motivation across all levels if it can be implemented. Personally a huge fan of your league system, would add some things such as "top 5 per league" to move up to higher one, same with last 5 per league etc

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago (edited)

I think we eventually get multi-league. It makes too much sense not to do it. A forced more up/down a league sounds like a nice addition. Thanks for expressing your opinion on the subject.

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randolphrope (60) · 5 years ago

Good plan, smart thinking.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Thanks, I think multiple leagues is inevitable.

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byzantinist (58) · 5 years ago

I think @aggroed would rightly argue that players are already being rewarded with:

DEC with each successful Ranked win
Daily Quest available every day to win some reward cards
Season end reward cards

So where would the additional prizes for separate league leader boards come from?

Maybe you could tweak the exponential DEC algorithms so that the top doesn't get so much DEC (though they would probably object to that) and use that DEC to fund small prizes.

Maybe a better solution would be to combine this with the reduced Daily Quest rewards that were previously proposed. Then the reduced rewards would be counterbalanced by rewards for the best players at each of the lower leagues. It would make it harder to farm at the lower levels while still providing opportunities to talented players who have limited card bases or choose to play at lower leagues.

You could also hypothetically take some of the boosters currently being awarded to the Top 50 in the Champion leaderboard. Maybe make it flatter. But I think a stronger argument could be made to expand that Top 50 to Top 100 instead.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Looks like I misunderstood what the creativecoin tag was for. I will have to dig deeper into it before using again, thanks for your comment.

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philippekiene (62) · 5 years ago

I think it's a good idea, as you said more winners will bring more players.
A Seasonal League Leaderboard 👍

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

And more players is good for everyone.

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blog-beginner (53) · 5 years ago

I agree to this. Additionally I think battle matches should be balanced. Someone with maxed out deck should never matched to low level players irrespective of their ranking. Lower level cards stand no chance against a level 3 flesh golem + level 3 wood nymph and more.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Being matched with such discrepancies won't be much of an issue in the structure outlined in the OP. This is because we would have 4 leagues to pick from and If someone chooses to play in a league that their cards are underpowered for then they have no-one to blame but themselves.

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simplymike (67) · 5 years ago

I like the idea... I gave it some thought earlier today...
A big hurdle for me was the fact that leagues would be populated with people who are choosing a lower league than their cards are, so they ave maxed cards. I didn't take into consideration you could make people choose at the beginning of a season....

More food for thought....

Btw, Imo, Diamond and Champion are two completely different things.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

A big hurdle for me was the fact that leagues would be populated with people who are choosing a lower league than their cards are, so they ave maxed cards.

I'm sure many will do that but I don't see it as a problem because said person would still need the skill to place in the top positions.

Btw, Imo, Diamond and Champion are two completely different things.

Both have the same limitation on what leveled cards we can play thus my reasoning to combine the two.

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lologom (56) · 5 years ago

I like this idea a lot.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago (edited)

Me too, fingers crossed that it gets implemented.

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lebastion (55) · 5 years ago

I like the idea, even if chosing its league before hand is difficult, alos can lead to misuage : I for example have diamond deck, but will choose gold to be sure to be in the top ;) ( example, as said, I do not have such a deck)

I think it can be hard to code, also...

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago (edited)

I suspect allot will pick the league that their cards are maxed for but I don't see a problem with that. Some may say,"but that is unfair to those who have lower leveled cards" and I would disagree with that because If someone chooses to play in a league their cards are not competitive in then that was their choice to make.

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masterthematrix (60) · 5 years ago

I also agree that seperated leagues with their own Reward Structure would have many positive effects on the overall gameplay.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

I think multi-leagues are bound to happen.

Hopefully its sooner rather then later.

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chireerocks (72) · 5 years ago

@rentmoney, These suggestions are really appreciable and hope that @steemmonsters team will look into it. Keep up and stay blessed.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Thanks, I hope so too.

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chireerocks (72) · 5 years ago

Welcome. 👍

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hotbit (58) · 5 years ago (edited)

I've proposed a similar system in January or so. The problem is, that one could have fun playing say in the Silver league and there is not as much frustration and pressure to buy booster packs. For this reason, I don't think they will allow such a system.
Game is designed in such a way as to push players to buy more packs through the frustration of losing to players who have spent on the game more.
Just my interpretation.
EDIT: In December last year:
https://steempeak.com/steemmonsters/@hotbit/league-format-improvement-proposal-and-discussion

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

I feel as those who decided to not buy booster packs will continue to not buy them regardless of what system is in place. Same goes for the ones that buy boosters in the hundreds. They'll likely continue to buy boosters regardless of what league system is in place as the value is the card itself. What we win with them is "extra".

But for the ones who like to buy a booster or two here and there I believe the purposed new league system will encourage them to do so more often. I base this on something very simple, everyone likes winning.

Once the Bronze level players see they have a chance at some extra prizes in a league of their own they will likely come to the conclusion they need max bronze level cards if they want to be the best Bronze player. So they then go out and max their decks to said level. The same goes for those who want to play in the Silver / Gold / Diamond leagues.

What happens next is the top players from a league will eventually want to move to the more prestige league above their own and the cycle continues until they are able to max their deck.

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hotbit (58) · 5 years ago

I agree with you, as I said I've also proposed a similar system. But @aggroed &co for some reason don't engage in the discussion. Thus I conclude they might fear of sale slowing down.
Current gameplay is highly frustrating, but maybe by design and maybe it works good enough for them to not push for changes.

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karenmckersie (74) · 5 years ago

I totally agree and love the idea! Well done @rentmoney hopefully it gets implemented you should message this to @yabapmatt on discord , I never go on there but I know he does! 👍👍👍😎❤Upped💯 and resteemed
❤Love This and agree!:
💯"Being the best Novice/Bronze/Silver/Gold player would be a nice bragging right and will give incentive to lower level players to Buy/Level up cards so they can be the best in the league they choose to play in."

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Thanks for supporting the idea. I had my fingers crossed that @aggroed and/or @yabapmatt would take notice of the topic and comment. I may take your suggestion with DM'ing it to yaba on discord.

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karenmckersie (74) · 5 years ago

Your welcome! yes for sure message him if does not respond here, im sure
@yabapmatt welcomes any and all suggestions!!

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kiokizz (62) · 5 years ago

I hope to see at least some variation in the league system come. Even if one more league was added, perhaps with Silver league caps, it would make the goal of reaching the leader board more achievable and worth aiming for, especially for new players.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Agreed, new players are important to the game and having a league in which they have a chance of making to or near the top would add some excitement for them.

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minimining (60) · 5 years ago

That is awesome ! That Will be better for beginners

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

I think so as well ......

Hopefully the founders (@aggroed and @yabbamatt) take the suggestion into consideration.

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johndoer123 (65) · 5 years ago

I agree with your suggestion and the idea more winners equals more people talking and being interested. Thanks for putting this out there!👍👍

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Thanks for stopping by and expressing your thoughts on the matter.

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warrentrx (25) · 5 years ago

I like it but I think Diamond and Champion are two vastly different leagues.even though the cards you can use are the same. I don't think those two Leagues should both be able to use max cards but that's a different conversation. Aside from that I think it's a great idea.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

I agree that the leagues should have different caps. I currently would lump them together as I think 4 leagues would be enough for our current players base and because they both use the same level caps. If the cap levels change then different leagues for each (Diamond and Champion) would make allot of sense.

Thanks for your feedback.

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stever82 (69) · 5 years ago

I like this idea. I have to admit the end of the season gets borning when I lose over and over to guys with maxed cards.

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rentmoney (68) · 5 years ago

Thanks, I think the leagues are bound to go in this direction at some point.

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