RE: What is truth? The Ultimate Truth? Can someone truly lie all the time?

You are viewing a single comment's thread from:

What is truth? The Ultimate Truth? Can someone truly lie all the time?

in philosophy •  7 years ago  (edited)

Truth exists. There is no such thing as “your truth” and “my truth”. These terms should not be uttered (except in rebuke) by anyone wishing to preserve the integrity of the concept of truth.

You are limited by your own knowledge. I know things you do not. You know things I do not.

If we both describe something that has parts of our knowledge we will both be telling the TRUTH as far as we know it. Though our truth will differ.

Truth is SUBJECTIVE.

FACTS are not.

There is a difference. A big one.

You are treating them as a synonym. They are not.

I see a tree - true. There is a tree - hmm... no.

That is a fact. When you say there is a tree and you are referring to one you observed that is still a fact. If you are referring to one you did not observe then that is subjective.

Facts are the immutable bits of information. A tree would be such a thing. A human would be another. Unless you contend we have aliens walking among us and if that is the reality then it may no longer be factual, but subjective. If it cannot be interpreted another way then it is a fact, and is objective.

Subjective requires opinion and interpretation.

Authors get paid when people like you upvote their post.
If you enjoyed what you read here, create your account today and start earning FREE STEEM!
Sort Order:  

maybe you see a tree, but I see a house.. is the tree a lie? is the house a lie? who can judge if it really is a tree? perception always differs from person to person :P

Your perception is what it is, and the fact that you see it as you see it is definitively true and certain. The nature of the object seen is a matter we are not equipped to address, as per our wholly subjective nature.

For this reason, I define objectivity by consistency and consensus of subjective experience. A dream you have is not subject to consensus, since no one else has the experience of it, so it is not deemed “objective” and we may therefore call it “subjective” by way of practical distinction.

But really, subjective experience is all we ever have to go on, as even consensus is perceived by each participant subjectively, and there’s no way of knowing if the other people (and their reports) exist outside your own perception.

This is more a language problem than anything else. Yoy’re using the word “truth” to describe honesty, as in “to tell the truth”. This is troublesome because the word “truth” is also often used to describe what you are calling “fact”.

When we say “tell the truth” we mean “do not intentionally decieve”, but this allows for one being wrong, so it’s not indicating reality necessarily, just one’s honest conception of it.

You have made the distinction between truth and fact to resolve this, which would be perfect if not for the fact that it obfuscates the reality due to colloquial use of language. It’s like using the word “God” or “Love”... they are terms already confused and varied in people’s minds. When you say “truth is subjective” many will take this to mean that they are not strictly obliged by reality, that there’s room for interpretation in all matters - a very convenient (and thus popular) quasi-philosophical position - though this is not your intent.

This becomes dangerous as it regards morality (a subject already beset by confusion). If I say “all presidents are immoral”, the relativist says, *”Well, that’s your truth, not mine. I think some are good.” But no, we can’t agree to disagree; we don’t get to have different truths. One of us is wrong, and so our opinion has nothing to do with truth (i.e. fact).

You solved it, but in a perilous way because your terminology is the same as the relativist, though with a different intent. Since they are less philosophically advanced to begin with (as per their belief that “objective” reality doesn’t exist), we can’t expect them to make this subtle distinction. They will hear your words and feel bolstered, seeing you as an ally, and the last thing these people need is encouragement.

Prudence dictates that we insist on the word “truth” being used to describe “that which actually exists and is not subject to interpretation” so as to confront solipsism directly, where it resides, which is in this word “truth”.