The Dangers of Virtue Signalling - Once you're on the ride it becomes more difficult to get off of it.

in philosophy •  7 years ago 


I was reading various news articles today and oddly it was a Michael Moore piece that inspired today's thought. I started thinking about how he can be as far as I am concerned "way off base" yet people will eat it up because he is Michael Moore. This is an appeal to authority fallacy on the part of the audience. Yet I started thinking of this in terms of myself.

Those of us that go out on a limb to challenge establishment, perceived wrong doings, etc usually have good reasons for doing so. If you are aware of a problem and you do not speak up you can easily become part of the problem. That was not however, where my thought processes went on this one.

If you do challenge perceived authority or power players and for a long time you get pats on the back, "well done", etc is there perhaps a danger that we should be aware of. If people treat us as though we are always right can there become a danger in us losing our own personal objectivity as we are constantly applauded from the echo chamber and praise?

Should we perhaps remain vigilant on our own thought processes and not fall victim to our own successes? Over time I believe it may be possible that such success could lower our vigilance. Later on we may react to information or a specific perception on a topic and not do our due diligence in looking into that topic. If we then use our voice which people often praised to push a narrative without that due diligence do we not become a problem ourselves?

I look at Michael Moore and what he has done for awhile now and I think he has lost most of his objectivity. He now is a victim of his own virtue signalling drives. His stance is reinforced by those that continue to say or think "It is Michael Moore and he challenged establishment in the past, and was right on topic X, so he must be right on this as well". That is actually the person mentally generalizing the words of Michael Moore as being spot on without actually bothering to research and think about it. In this sense Michael Moore ends up being the THINKER for these people that won't take the time to think and research for themselves.

None of us should let other people do our thinking for us. We should listen to other people, but that should only be the seeds of inspiration upon which we can think and research.

My thought here was that with success in past efforts it can lead to over confidence and a loss of objectivity. A person can start to buy into their own celebrity status. We must remain vigilant against these changes within our own mind.

I guess the easiest thing to say here would be "Always remember humility".

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Well, since it is my Steemit birthday I am entitled to a big blooming head! The famous me.... seriously though, we do have a tendency to get our head stuck up our asses. Constant self-reflection. There is really no other way.

we do have a tendency to get our head stuck up our asses

That got a good laugh out of me. Thanks for that.

Also happy steemit birthday, mine was last month.

" If you are aware of a problem and you do not speak up you can easily become part of the problem. That was not how" This very beautiful word. I really like your word this one @dwinblood

Totally agree with you @blackcoffee! Very well put by @dwinblood

Socrates spent his life asking 'why". The Bereans diligently studied to understand "why". These are the behaviors of wise men. Always attacking the powers that be, and not living a "self-examined" life is a recipe for folly and failure.

I am speechless after reading your postings for 1 hour to think what you are saying here ...@dwinblood. "I think the easiest thing to say here is" always remember "humility.
Very special @dwinblood your thoughts and I try to take the conclusions from the answers your greeting is "rain water that is clean and clear the dark cloud derives from" thank @fahrullah

thank @dwinblood

Good post, but I cannot help but sense an underlying meaning. Correct?

Not so much. I mean it could be expanded upon but when I initially thought of it I was simply thinking about how much attention Michael Moore is given even if he seems to not know much about the subject at hand. Though yes, you could take it further. :)

Also - thanks for initiating the investigation about the flagging / bullying.
I believe it is important for the community to know the truth.
Whatever is revealed, we need transparency and truth.
So I will say in advance, I really appreciate your hard work.

It is a lot of information... I think my first post will likely be something like the "Many faces of Bernie and NextGen" :) It won't be adversive just and information dump... there is A LOT of information

While nobody is infallible, I find that the people who at least stop every one in a while to reflect on their own actions are a more reliable source of information than the ones who just assume they're always correct.

Navigation becomes a lot easier if you can look back and see that you've been travelling in a straight line.

Damn, that photo makes it look like you're following someone.
At least they're going in a straight line.

Yes, I prefer to follow and pay attention to people that are willing to question themselves.

You do realize that I am infallible? ;-)

Heh. I am sure. :)

Oh,damned auto-correct, that was supposed to say "inflatable".

Your inflatability sounds like something you would be better speaking with your significant other about. :)

I "appropriated" a comment to one of your posts yesterday and dropped it in at the bottom of my post today.

I think you'll appreciate it.

Hell "he" might but I don't want to take the chance of getting flagged into oblivion.

I'll go take a look. Also if we don't resort to name calling and such and we treat them decent then they only prove our points for us when they choose to attack us.

Love the post. Thanks For Share.

Establishment is the main thing we need when making decisions

Can you expand upon that a bit? I am not quite sure I understand what you mean there.

I seem to have missed the part about virtue signaling. Was it accidentally deleted or... ?

I guess the easiest thing to say here would be "Always remember humility".

Oh wait, there it is. NM.

Mostly implied. If we get wrapped up in virtue signalling it can become a slippery slope and we can totally realize how increasingly fake it becomes.

BTW, I have a recent blog that's actually about virtue signaling called "Good guys are the scum of the earth." Check it out, let me know what you think.

Anyone can, if they want to, begin to have an astonishing realization as they find themselves able to see what I did there.

Heh :)

"You are way off base and don't know what you are talking about" ;-) OK now that the tongue in cheek is said we can move to the meat of the issue, #1 You question yourself so I don't have a worry of you developing that mindlessness. #2 Those who think they are great in their own minds are in reality not. #3 Without people who question and challenge everything we would have a boring world.
Another great topic so I will share it..

I think you can guess at my stance on this.

Yeah brother, I can guess. :) I bet my guess would be pretty good.

Obviously, the course in virtue signalling I took is paying off ;)

You fighting for a noble cause.

Thanks dwinblood for your upvote. May God bless you.

its really informative
welcome to my blog @farhannaqvi

I really liked this write up. Moore was a great example, but there are so many these days it is like shooting fish in a barrel when you start looking around. Allowing others to think for you is pervasive almost everywhere these days from the looks of it.

Where I have noticed in the most is, of course, in the university environment. Not only do students frequently hero worship smart profs or leading authorities in the field and let their views dictate their conclusions (especially in liberal arts disciplines) but they almost unconsciously adopt their arguments as well and don't seem to realize they are just repeating someone else's reasoning when addressing an issue.

It is remarkable how often I have engaged in or listened to conversations that were basically debates between academics that were not even present held via proxy advocates who formulated the arguments with "I think..." etc., when they were just repeating what other people thought. And yes, even I made that error early on until one of my profs really cracked down on me to cite my sources even in conversation. After a while, I started classifying people at the university into two basic camps - innovators and codifiers. There are many many more codifiers today than innovators.

https://steemit.com/writing/@dwinblood/ics-electrozine-from-faculty-advisor-george-sibley-reformatted-article-001

That has something written by one of the professors I studied under. It tells you what kind of a student I was. :)

I really liked that. Your advisor reads like an insightful guy, he anticipated the internet ghettos Matt Drudge talked about with Alex Jones wonderfully. I like his image of "information railroading", it is very expressive. Here I was thinking Deva Winblood was a pseudonym for the net because it is - and please don't take offense - a perfect name for a vampire king (I am a great fan of Anne Rice's vampire chronicles). Anyway, I have to say having taught now for quite some time, I have found some of my best students are those that don't necessarily take the traditional role of student too seriously. Thanks for the insight into your past, that was nice!

I am using no Pseudonym. :) It is my name. :) Yeah, that was an interesting time.

This oddly reminds me of something that happened in very "spiritual" end of life... my wife and I follow this sort of thing (self-development, metaphysics, consciousness) quite a bit.

Some years back H.H. the Dalai Lama assembled some of the greatest minds from the fields of healing and meditation to address the issue of creating a better more peaceful world. Alas, it turned into a giant ego-pissing contest of "who's more evolved" and very little was actually accomplished. Seems everyone left their humility at home.

Yep. I'll be posting a new post in a few minutes. I completed it, I am just assembling some images of some kind to go with it. You might find it interesting.

@dwinblood I'm agreed, I like to shared my friends story they were consuming daily alcohol+drugs!! They also these things harmful for them. But they never regret what they can do, now once day they got cancer, he also knows now they have zero percent to recoverd from it. After cancer they consuming more and more alcohol+drugs and doctors said him also if you trying to to consumed these things than we can help you. They addicted so much to alcohol,drugs them for very difficult to get off it!!