The End of Criminalization: On Free Will, Accountability, and Compassion

in philosophy •  8 years ago  (edited)

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Criminal justice systems are a worldwide phenomenon

The same goes for central banks, governments, and the fiatcurrencies that we use today. Surely there's nothing wrong with something so universal? Catch the bad guys and punish them accordingly. Is it that simple?


Why did I spend 20 hours writing this?

Criminalization is an inefficient tool in keeping society safe and sound. If you have experienced the state knocking down your door and giving you hell for no good reason, you'd understand that criminalization is a disruptive process. It destroys lives. Look no further than mass incarcerations in the United States.

Make no mistake that mankind has always been rolling with the punches. Every social structure, like a technological device, starts off crude before becoming sophisticated. Currency have recently updated itself through blockchain technology. So what about criminalization? Sure, we've kept some psychopaths at bay, while causing countless amounts of collateral damage in the lives of innocent, sovereign beings. Is there a better way of doing things?

There are ways to render criminalization obsolete. But first, let's inspect its fundamental problems.

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I like @dollarvigilante's take on this matter


Why criminalization sucks?

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Socioeconomic leverage determines most outcomes -

People in position of wealth and power have better immunity against criminalization. If I'm a highly networked rich and powerful individual, common sense is telling me that I'm not going to jail. I'll just pay off some fines as punishment. Some people are above the law, period. And not everyone has access to proper legal representation.

Also, those not in position of wealth and power do not have the necessary resources to fight yearlong court cases. Criminalization is disproportionately disruptive for 99% of the population.

Lawbooks are so complicated -

Am I going to tell my child that she needs to fully understand the thousands of pages of convoluted fiction in order to avoid scuffles with the law? Social contracts are necessarily built upon mutual consent. But we know that laws are always revised without our expressed consent. Becoming a criminal is not just as simple as the act of theft and violence. You can easily become one out of petty rules of law.

Criminals are branded differently across all pockets of society -

This increases the complexity of criminalization. As an extreme example, there's nothing wrong being a headhunter in a headhunting tribe. It is perfectly fine within the community. But the headhunter will soon discover that he's a criminal once he steps into the broader world. You'll never really know what's unacceptable in another region.

Criminalization can be used for political powerplay -

Criminal cases can be pushed forward to indict political opponents. Power players wishing to rise up the ranks of government could overzealously search and close criminal cases. It happens, usually at the expense of underrepresented minorities.

Criminalization is incompatible with compassion -

Compassion is something that grows day by day as you're exposed to more personal stories from people all around the world. Criminalization is a shortcut to cull members of society that do not fit into the system. Compassion is all about healing. It is hardwork channelled through the love and care for others. Practising criminalization alongside compassion contributes to the overall unhappiness of our society.

Falsity of complete free will and accountability -

All man made laws assume that every moral agents are completely accountable over their thoughts and actions. While I certainly believe in personal responsibility, there are plenty of issues with free will. There will be an erosion in criminalization once free will is properly understood. I will address in the next section.


Limitations of free will and accountability

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You have free will, no matter what others may tell you. However, you can only be as free as your environment and mental life. Take for example, slavery used to be acceptable in the United States. Are supporters of slavery exercising their own free will to support the idea of slavery, regardless whether if its right or wrong? If its so commonplace in a culture, it may never occur to someone that it's wrong.

Life is a lottery -

I could have been you, and you could have been me. Whatever it is, all of us are thrown into this existence without our consent. There wasn't any console for us to input our preference for our birth condition. It's just an impossibility due to the nature of our existence.

Sure it can be argued that everyone has personal responsibility over their own thoughts and actions. But consider this:-

Slavery used to be acceptable in the United States. Those in the privileged class were born into such human conditions. It would seem normal to do so, like how a tribe of headhunters would inadvertently create more headhunters. Sure, you have the free will. But you can only be as free as your environment.

We may have the power of imagination, but like it or not, our environments play a great deal in shaping us.

Count in the fact that most underrepresented people do not have socioeconomic mobility.

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Our thoughts are cloudy, nebulous -

I'm pretty sure you're enlightened enough to know about the volatility of the human perception. We would always empathise with our friends when we begin to see their side of the story. Truth is, we can pretty much frame any situations in wildly different perceptions.

All actions originate as thoughts, or as impulses from our subconscious. Complete free will necessarily requires the mind to have a complete picture over one's situation.

Here's a fun thought experiment: Think of 10 prime numbers. Notice as your thoughts come into existence - a cloud of numbers.. did you really choose 100% of the contents in that cloud? If I ask what's your top 3 favourite movies today, I think you would agree that your answer will be different if I asked you tomorrow instead. At times, we forget some of our options. Our minds are fuzzy.

And what about snap decisions without sufficient time to understand the complete picture? Such disruptive situations deteriorate the quality of free will.

However, it is something that can be trained. Thinking is a skill by itself - just like how you could master specific types of thinking in 10,000 hours. Let's say if you were born in Nazi Germany, you'd most likely become a supporter of the Nazi Regime, especially if you're not exposed to the broader world.

You can only be as "good" as your immediate environment. Thanks to the Internet, immediate environments are shared these days. Good becomes greater good.

We always make our decisions based on the shifting tides of our inner narratives.


Putting our ego aside, it's best to understand there's a chance that we are not fully accountable all the time. I'm not expressing this to absolve people from their misdoings. I'm expressing this in hopes of telling you that things may be not be what it seems. Sure, everyone is responsible for their actions. I just hope no one receives the blunt end of being branded a criminal, especially when criminal justice systems are not very just for the common man.


What about murderers, thieves, and psychopaths?

We are getting more civilized everyday. Simply because we are exposed to different ideas, meeting all sorts of people. Technology helps here. Think about roads, autos, airplanes, and the Internet. Most of us are not in living in secluded tribes. Not anymore. Without a clash of cultures, we are just bound to our immediate environments, operating and valuing things that our environment can only promote. Free-will or not, you are only as free as the system and the information you are exposed to.

While admittedly the real criminals are often those with the establishments (order givers and order followers), do we want to continue with the idea of criminalization alongside our collectively discovered sense of compassion?

All wrong-doings can be boiled down to one word - "theft".

So what do we do about theft?


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There's a difference between violence and self-defence (force)

There seems to be a growing misunderstanding that compassion should necessarily be a path of complete pacifism. It should be understood that anyone is right to apply sufficient force against the violator (the initiator of violence). Self-defence is not violence, but an act of self-preservation.

So in regards of murderers, thieves, and psychopaths - it is not a moral problem for society to apply force against violence. As long as central governments exist, the practice of criminalization is necessarily made for those that sync up well with the establishment. Not the people. Which is why it needs to end.


Be the change that you want to see in the world.

Homelessness is now considered a crime. It's time to realize that criminal justice systems are not really made for the people. Disputes could be solved with compassion. Rather than killing people off and throwing them in jails, it's time to treat people like they're in need of healing (instead of punishment).

If you subscribe to the notion that we're all somewhat connected, remember that I could have been you, and you could have been me. Shit happens all the time. Maybe the system continues to perpetuate criminal activities as long as there is support for such an idea. Clearly, it isn't working on the right kinds of people.

With the advent of decentralization technologies, will the idea of criminalization be surpassed? We need to find a better way of doing things.

Choose to be compassionate.

What are your thoughts about this?


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I overall agree with the conclusions of your article @kevinwong It's a very important subject. I choose to be compassionate!

WELL-written.

@core has articulated "3 Laws & 7 Rules To A Harmonious Planet" that upon diving deeper into, really connect in with this whole idea. Essentially, the core principle is everyone has the right to do what they choose with their bodies and aother people so long as it doesn't inflict harm upon another. The background behind it is pretty interesting and not openly discussed, but comes down to natural law.

Hopefully our societies will eventually wisen up to bring man's law in alignment with nature's...

Thanks @rok-sivante! I think cryptocurrencies / decentralization in general are beginning to show itself as the next best alternative :) Gonna read that article you linked me up with!

Don't worry, the government is moving away from criminalization, so this problem will solve itself over time. Convicting people of crimes requires writing laws that say exactly what is prohibited, investigating, having at least a slightly fair trial, and proving things beyond a reasonable doubt. That's way too much trouble. Instead, we're moving to civil forfeiture and lists of people who are mere suspects that are used to deny them services. So this problem is already fixing itself. Yay.

civil forfeiture... nothing like realizing you have no rights because the government indicted your money instead of you.

I believe that everyone has the right to exist in public space regardless of socioeconomic status, and that nobody should be subject to harassment, exclusion, or discrimination based on their appearance or their lack of stable housing. I also believe that the rights of individuals in public space outweigh the economic interests and objectives of businesses and government. All members of our community have inherent worth as individuals regardless of their economic or financial contributions, and those who lack the ability and means to access shelter have a right to engage in life-sustaining activities in public space without fear of harassment or arrest.

Very well put @jennamarbles , I can appreciate that sentiment. It's a shame that plenty of cities (even in Kuala Lumpur) are moving homelessness out of sight. Part of modernity nowadays is removing "unpleasant" elements, which equates to "better value". Good thing there are many private initiatives providing safe haven, while the state is somewhat trying to brush the issue aside..

I just dont understand why the government couldn't give houses to homeless citizen when they all have the capacity to do it. What could be the possible reason? Don't ask them about reason because they are good at reasoning. Their on for the development of the country and yet they are depriving the rights of others.

Somebody has to pay for those houses but I do think that criminalising homelessness is a abhorrent practice.

Ha sorry crypocurrency1 agnostic here lol I don't do religion

you got yourself a follower. please pass by me blog and criticize my part II of my story.
I like your writing much.

I really enjoyed this piece. I agree with the majority of what you've said. It seems fairly obvious that most of the world around us is shaped via strengthening ripple effects caused by the corruption of money, along with efforts to retain and sustain the power of its levers. Let's hope we can come to our senses.

Thanks @benjojo! Yes I can even see it unfolding in my country. People in the lower rung of the ladder getting picked all the time :(

@benjojo That's why Steemit is so exciting, as it has the potential to reshape the entire money game--let's further hope this platform is honored as such

absolutely. Steem, or something like it, could one day become the global reserve currency. wouldn't that be something?

@kevinwong those on the lower rungs of the ladder are expected to have little or no power and therefore make easy targets for those with the monopoly on violence

That makes us believe that money could be the root of all evil.

IMO, it is lol. One of next month's post will be about money :)

We are finding out, by talking and describing to each other and comparing our traditions, what simply is a bad habit and what is universal consensus across our species. It makes pretty obvious which laws are only in place to terrorize and which are meant to ascertain peace and prosperity and mutuality for the community.

There is only one rule necessary from which all willing and wanting can be derived, IMO: the "Golden" one. Once you have that, you don't need another one that forbids to go and kill someone, just for example.

WOW! What an amazingly well though out piece. You had me at Jeff Berwick's quote. It is obvious to me that you have researched this and spent a long time proof reading.

If a person murders my family, what is to be done about that violence?

Of course you have the free will to respond in any way you choose, but you have to deal with the consequences of your actions. In the US, the law says that only the state has the right to kill someone, so you would be labeled a criminal if you chose revenge.

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State violence is unavoidable as long as we live in "civilized" societies. In the mountains of the outland, if your family is killed, you pursue the killer and kill him and his family and anyone else who's in the way. It's that "simple." In many ways, dealing violence to those who attack you is the best "generic" way of eliminating threats and taking revenge (yes, revenge, a very human element that is outlawed in 'civilized' societies).

Have you watched one of @dollarvigilante's video on decentralized assassination marketplace? I thought it's a very fascinating subject lol

Ok so person A kills a person because they feel like it, person B goes after and kills person A because well reasons are not required in your uncivilised world. This really annoys person C who kills person B until eventually there is only one person left, revenge is not the only reason people murder each other. I understand that there is corruption, I understand laws change over time and I understand that the people who write the laws are fallible but laws are required if you plan on living in a group larger than your immediate family, they are usually there to protect you from others and others from you, you may not be the strongest person in the community.

But we might have trouble with killing people if were going to consult the law of heaven, that if you still in it.

I agree! Great job discussing this issue from the various angles you chose!

I was gonna say something very similar! I loved how you approached it from different angles !

That pic from Mark Passio, is it a screenshot from the video? The one when he talks about Jesus?

Thanks @steemrollin @the-alien! Mark Passio has a series of slides called Natural Law (can be found on his website) :)

Ok, thanks @kevingwong!

@kevinwong, I have to agree with you. I have often thought of the total lack of reasoning within this, in my opinion the largest issue is "just how far out of touch" the criminal justice system is? We are being governed by rules that have been in place for "centuries", there has been minimal efforts made to modernise the law witch is a complete and utter joke!! I could list endlessly the "woeful" inadequacies within the legal system. I live in the UK and have never been able to understand why there is a longer sentence for "drug dealing" than there is for "paedophilia"? Surely stealing a child's innocence is worse than selling a commodity to someone who wants to buy it??

It's just ludicrous!!!

The criminal justice system is not as simple as it seems :)

So far I've yet to see very powerful individuals facing criminalization (despite presence of evidence). I could sort of respect the system if it's consistent.. but it's never consistent :/

Thank you, @kevinwong --this is a super exciting article and just proves that Steemit really is revolutionary!!!

This article strikes a deep chord, because we actually HAVE experienced the state knocking down our door and giving us hell for no good reason--our peaceful community was raided in a $350,000 black ops SWAT raid in 2013.

https://steemit.com/policestate/@gardenofeden/anonymous-video-call-to-action-to-support-sustainable-community-raided-by-black-ops-swat-team

Luckily, we’re empowered, intelligent individuals living in a community, and the terrorist tactics did not work. We’re aware of our rights and know the law better than some lawyers, which gives us power in the corrupt system.

There are 8 million laws on the books in the US. After the SWAT team “secured the premises”, they sent in code compliance officers who fined us for such “crimes” as the grass being too high and improper use of an extension cord.

We continue to receive support and fight back against the attempted criminalization of our truly free life (seriously, some people on here like to philosophize about freedom, but we LIVE freedom deeper than most can fathom). We have the right to be secure in our persons and property, but these rights were violated in a most dishonorable and deplorable manner; our free wills were grievously violated. The government TRIED to criminalize us, and justified committing blatant and atrocious crimes because of it!

I disagree with your statement that “you can only be as "good" as your immediate environment”--the Garden of Eden’s existence proves this wrong. We are the most sustainable organization in Texas, we save 350,000 pounds of trash from the landfill annually, and we feed 40,000 free meals a year, and we’re doing it in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex--it’s not the most elevated, conscious, or compassionate environment, but it doesn't limit us. In fact, @quinneaker founded the Garden of Eden because the environment here was so disgusting, just totally lacking in standards. We’re here to embody values and to show everyone that a better way is possible--it really is possible!

We’re also intimately familiar with the criminalization of homelessness, and again we choose to live the solution:
https://steemit.com/homelessness/@gardenofeden/sustainable-community-illegally-feeds-the-homeless

It's immoral to obey unjust laws, so we don't comply.

Thanks for dropping by such an extensive reply - I've checked your linked article :) Sorry to it happened to your community. I'm still searching for words to describe my idea probably - yes "you can only be as "good" as your environment" probably doesn't encapsulate my thoughts on the matter properly. I believe that the imagination brings us far. See the solution beyond what's common in our surroundings takes nodes (or people) who have updated their thinking through years of training and being exposed to ideas one way or the other. Not saying fresh imagination is impossible - there just needs to be a catalyst :)

Very interesting project that you're having over there. I've followed and will check out on your initiative :)

Thank you for the support; we're following you as well! Let's catalyze some inspiration!

What would happen if we changed the way we make law and policy? Instead of butt simple reasoning that theft is bad therefore punish the criminal we could legislate that communities must ensure that members have their needs met. After this, theft/crimes could become under psychological or medical disorders then treated appropriately and effectively.

Laws were created to those who could not follow because certainly these laws could not be applied to those who follow. It's one sided because there were no decision to those who follow it but only to those who will go against it.

I enjoyed this post a lot, until

Homelessness is now considered a crime. It's time to realize that the criminal justice systems are not really made for the people. Disputes could be solved with compassion. Rather than killing people off and throwing them in jails, it's time to treat them like they are medically-ill.

I tripped over this.

Does this mean homelessness is a medical illness ?

With a post like this you could structure it in a way that your interpretation clearly stands apart from the facts.

'Illness' could be used as a justification for governmental violence, just the same.
Instead of Criminalization .... Insanification ( I'm sure there is a word for it - and this isn't it)

I hope this makes some sense.

I upvoted this because it's good.
I disagree on the formulation of the conclusion.

Yes it's not the best word, i get what you mean :) certainly not to that effect (i meant to equate to how doctors treat people who come to them)

Updated: hope it reads better :)

Not really :D

I got fined for illegal camping, before.
Do I need healing ?

Can you see why I have to disagree ?

I think I get you.

You sorta skip one thought, though ...
I struggle to explain this in english ...

a conclusion leap jumpy thing .

Oh I'm writing about this in some next post. I believe there's a reason why self-organization has led to centralized governments. And while the mainstream crowd has unknowingly given rights to the government to take care of things, so called "supporting slavery", I think there should be a transition period. Decentralization is the next best move, but while we're at it, I wish not to see so many unnecessary suffering coming out of the practice of criminalization..

Man steemit's reply depth only at 6 levels lol

The way I understand it is that author means to take homeless people into a system with specialists, facilities, funding to help them out. We have health care systems to treat medically ill, similarly we need to reform welfare systems to be able to extend hands to homeless people.

Oh not talking about the homeless per se @dangis @felixxx, I tihnk what i really meant is not to criminalize people by default (which is punishment), so i went for an opposing verb which is healing?

What I don't agree on is, that you sound like you want the government to fix it.

I believe we should decriminalize and then get the government out of people's lifes.

A state funded welfare system like the health care system can never synthesize tolerance or inclusiveness - let alone compassion.

@dangis that's a great idea. ironically, it's already been tried and the programs were done away with for a variety of reasons that ultimately had to do with money. Take a look at this article if you're interested. Of course, it's only one article but it paints a fairly cursory yet not inaccurate portrait of what happened. http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

You have free will, no matter what others may tell you. However, you can only be as free as your environment and mental life. Take for example, slavery used to be acceptable in the United States. Are supporters of slavery exercising their own free will to support the idea of slavery, regardless whether if its right or wrong? If its so commonplace in a culture, it may never occur to someone that it's wrong.

What if they don't want 'help' ?

Well written! One of the biggest reason why certain parts of the world are subdued. In most cases the ruling classes and governments twist words to declare themselves as victims and clamp down with sick and obsolete laws, which have lost their bearing, and ruin a lot of lives. Very insightful.

I agree that compassion is a huge aspect of the criminalization problem, which commonly is presented to induce fear and separation. I don't see the current system (especially with the advent of private prisons) being motivated in any way to ACTUALLY 'rehabilitate' those rightfully or wrongfully incarcerated. They make money by having more prisoners, so they are happy keeping those in prison there as well as having those released return. Typically those released don't have much money available, a job lined up, and simply told not to interact with the people they did before. Who else are they supposed to return to in the ideal hopes of stabilizing their life.

I also really like the part about 'there has to be a victim.' There are so many things that the state is the one charging the crime and not a victim, I believe all criminal cases are brought by the state itself. I view the severity of a crime being proportional to the amount of options you have removed from the 'victim.' In this sense murder is still one of the worst offenses since all future options are ceased upon death.

Then there is the fear and it's rampant. We've all heard the pitch of 'This law needs to be passed because THEY are coming for YOU!' While I'm willing to accept a rare case of this being true, the vast majority are unfounded and solely fear-mongering for their own personal or political gains. A perfect example of this are the slew of so called 'Religious Freedom Bills' that have been popping up over the last couple years, most of which frame the issue that Lesbian/Gay marriage is an affront to them that somehow demeans the relationship of somebody completely involved and unrelated while also demonizing the transgender population by implying that all trans people are in the bathrooms to pray on wives and children. Funny how we never hear the concern about trans-men being in the men's room.

Anyhoo, great post! :)

Thanks @sykochica for the comprehensive response. Personally I find it difficult to blame the people in the system. The system promotes criminal behaviour on the side of the establishment, and the establishment itself seeks to achieve its own function and definition - anything to keep the numbers up and survive the opposition. If presented with a new paradigm for money and way to do things (decentralization), I would like to think society will self-organize into something that's better than centralized governance. In a way, blockchain technology can use social design and economic incentives that promote goodwilll, compassion and contribution in the long run!

And that right there is why I'm excited to be on this site!
While I use the term utopia (ideals) I very much a realist looking for ways to implement something better, even of not perfect. I can see some of the possibilities (and accountability) the blockchain can provide. This platform alone solves a lot of issues I'd been stuck on.
Sry for babbling, lol

Personally, there's no utopia :) different times, different needs. Don't be sorry, we're all here to blab otherwise unspoken ideas and hopes for the world :) Keep in touch!

Life is a lottery.

Are you sure ?

This is at least an other option:
What happens to us may be the result of the design of an higher form of consciousness.

It could be possibile that, whatever happens to us, and that we cannot control, is the best occasion for us to enrich our consciusness and our freedom.

Yes, there may be - just writing out of personal experience about that thought-experiment and seemingly random birth conditions that everyone goes through.

We are what we are.

No doubt, 'the poor protect the wealthy in this world' (from the music of The Devine Comedy and possibly older origin). Criminality has its roots in the wealthy controlling the poor, look back a few hundred years in Britain and if you were starving and stole some food, you were executed, or as times became more 'enlightened' deported to Australia. From the laws perspective its better to starve than to steal. Some homeless people want to be housed, others I think really have become so accustomed to living on the streets that they dont want to change, that is their choice.
I however do feel in your post you dont really propose any more workable solution, what do we do with serial murderers, rapists and so on, ask them to stop?

Criminality changes the morality of every action. What may be considered for the greater good by the 'status quo' of society may not be for the criminal world even by the standards of Nitsch. For example drugs are deemed negative in the world detrimental to the majority however the likes of Pablo Escobar considered them an essential for life the very trading of which is beneficial to the greater good in a world of criminaltiy

Great, thought provoking post - thank you Kevin! I disagree with your stance on free will - I think you don't go far enough...

I've explained here https://steemit.com/philosophy/@freewill/freewill-on-free-will-and-accountability-a-demand-for-more-and-compassion-from-kevinwong

I would love to debate with you if you have time to read it?

I believe initially the system was set up with good intent. However, once the people at the top, ( lawyers, politicians etc.), got a taste of $and quickly became corrupted. It's to the point in the U.S. that the biggest criminals here are unfortunately the people running the country.With one hand they open the door to terrorists and they try to take up our guns with the other. Just another one of many examples. Look at what is able to run for president!

excellent, and yes, fully agreed. Been a victim of that system a couple times.
Much respect Kevin, seriously.
you are now.... being FOLLOWED!
Do me the honor as well if you wish.
THanks DM

Any system is only as good as those that practice it and administer it. You can argue that we're getting more civilized every day, but without a system of law and order where people are held accountable for their actions, society breaks down.

Think about what would happen if someone was murdered in your hypothetical utopia - should the victim's family have compassion for the alleged assailant? What if an individual was unable to defend themselves? How would the family react? While we'd all like to be optimistic and think they would embrace compassion, how often would that really happen in practice? How can you even hypothesize and pretend to put yourself in that scenario when there are a million different elements that contribute to the taking and outcome of a particular action? As we can see from what's going on in America right now with regard to police bias and brutality, when citizens take matters into their own hands it escalates tensions and the effect further polarizes people.

Furthermore, just because we are rapidly developing technology and live in an interconnected world doesn't necessarily mean we're more civilized. While it's beneficial to be exposed to different cultures and people across the world, it also means that there are more ways to reach extreme audiences and spread misinformation.

I agree with your assertion that a focus on healing as opposed to punishment is needed and would yield better results, but it's naive and impractical to think a system without accountability would be sustainable or anything less than disastrous. Without incentive to not commit crimes and immoral acts, the rate at which such acts were committed would increase. Also an individual or group's definition of force vs. violence is subjective and therefore dependent on who is interpreting the relevant actions, which also complicates your murder and self defense position. What if someone believes self defense means protecting their honor and they retaliate because someone insults them or perhaps assaults them and then someone ends up dead? Laws would help in that situation, wouldn't they?

A focus on learning to rewire one's brain and recognize thought patters that are potentially harmful is a better proposition. Losing accountability for criminal actions would propagate bad behavior. The criminal justice system is deeply flawed and works against many people. Those with the means and deep resources to game the system unfortunately do on some occasions. But that's exactly why it's important to learn the system and educate yourself. It's far from perfect, but it beats a society devoid of law and order. If more people looked inward and asked how they could be better as opposed to outward seeking to find third parties to blame for injustices or misfortunes we would all be much better off.

Thanks for the super comprehensive response :) Love it. Btw, my argument is not about absolving accountability, but rather present the limitations of accountability so that criminalization wouldn't be the default stance. But of course there's a bigger problem to be solved when the root of most thefts has everything to do with money. I think Natural Law by Mark Passio is worth looking into. A decentralized society is not without law and order - the problem here is that we're giving central governments too much authority to look after our affairs. Hmm I'll try to respond more in depth when i have more free time later!

This is a complicated topic. Thanks for the really thorough and thoughtful post about it. I want to believe that people ultimately want good things for each other and just get a little lost along the way when they're hurt repeatedly.

Interesting topic!

Related the alternatives to the current justice system a very extended one is Restorative justice. Look at restorativejustice.org

"Restorative Justice repairs the harm caused by crime. When victims, offenders and community members meet to decide how to do that, the results can be transformational"

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Fantastic.

Yes, there can be no Justice without compassion.

Love Peace & Freedom.

Hey there @kevinwong! I just wanted to let you know that my new post "The 40 anarchists you want to follow on Steemit!" is up, and you're on the list :-) You can find it here

This is a great article and you touch this very vague and controversial subject in such a tactful and elloquent way as anyone should. Im interested and curious on your take on my love vs fear article. Its a very similar concept and i think youd have incite for me that would be valuable. Sorry to come off as promoting my post but truely thats not my intention here, i think these subjects are of utmost importance and the path to a great revolution is coming to fruition through posts like this, and the ease of their reception due to the natural instinct most everyone has to relate to compasion based reasoning.

Thanks for taking the time to give your input, I really appreciate it, Sure i've bookmarked your article and i'm gonna read a bunch this weekend. Thanks for pointing out the potential ingredients that might've made this post on trending (i was trying to figure out why lol)

Man, Mark Passio was completely right, objective morality is what makes society free. But the people in government are the main sufferers of abandonment issues (and psychopathy). Also the people who follow the government have the same abandonment issues. We should go all the way and we should treat this illness. Government is the motherly or fatherly figure that adopted the abandoned children of God.

Mark Passio has a wonderful theory about Annunoki and cosmic abandonment, you should check it out, it makes perfect sense even it might not be true.

Yeap I subscribe to Mark Passio and found his talks to be really fascinating stuff. Definitely learned a lot from him (although i think he contradicts himself everyone once in awhile) :D

Do we need to prove that money is the root to all problem for a human?

Beautifully written Kevin thank you.

interesante

My take is a little different - we have to have laws. Watching the news is the best reality show on tv. These morons think they can mouth off to the cops, portraying no respect for a simple command given, and then start swinging or shooting - what do you expect them to do? The system is broke by this simple rule - government handouts are necessary but they have to work for it - we would have the cleanest country in the world. Once in jail the system must teach a skill or trade so they are productive once they get out of prison.

Corpus Delecti - The Body Of The Crime - was etymologically intended to represent a victim... In this case, the corpse of a murder victim.

It's essence represents the impossibility of a crime without a victim.
But in modern law, well...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_delicti

It is interesting to note that by this standard, theft has the following requirement:
"Larceny: 1) Property is missing 2) because it was stolen."

Meaning that pretty much every copyright and anti piracy law would become unenforceable, since theft and making a copy are decidedly different in this scenario.

The current model is akin to, say, a sculptor spending years chiseling a figure out of marble...
Then I come along and take a picture of it, and blow it up, and hang it on my wall...
And then I am prosecuted for theft of the artist's property.

But it sounds so stupid when put that way... ;)

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What about the international banks, stock markets, governments, and corporations?

I like what Bitnation is working on in regards to government and regulation of citizens. I could see your perspectives working along side theirs.

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They say that laws were only created for those low level individuals because the high level will be manipulating it.