Are you ready to Argue?

in philosophy •  6 years ago  (edited)
I've said plenty of times of how important it is to talk to people that disagree with you. The idea of course is to gain perspective, to understand their positions and see if there is any validity to a claim or not. This without a doubt is easier said than done, its quite painful to engage in these conversations, specially if you disagree with extreme passion.



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Becoming better listeners is a must, but...


It takes a lots of practice, there are no shortcuts to this. The idea that you have to attentively listen to someone who you believe is saying something that is entirely wrong can seem like asking you to eat sand. But the truth is that It does not have to, listening attentively does not mean that you have to instantly agree, you simply have to acknowledge you understood the message.

You might be surprised how many times I've had commonalities with people who held opposing views to my own. In the world of politics many of the differences that create conflict are based on implementation of solutions and not so much in the identification of a problem.

For example, we may agree that the way our current welfare system operates does not work efficiently. We may agree that there is obvious abuse and that it might even be sending the wrong message to the poorest among us. But what we might not agree on is how to go by fixing it with some asking for more taxation, a bigger budget and others for its eradication, but both believing they are acting in the name of the greater good.

I try to exit my echo chamber as often as possible

Specially because I'm very aware that my own personal beliefs and convictions are radically different from a younger me. This makes me at peace with the fact that they will change yet again and when my beard has turned completely white I will probably look back at some of today's ideas, rants and even blog entries with a pinch of melancholy as if I missed an old confused friend.

Another thing I think about often is how unmerited love and respect can be, if there is nothing but agreement being had. Think about that for a second, imagine having a relationship where everything you say is by default agreed to by your significant other, where there is no back and forth, no feedback of any sort. What could the end result look like? How would that relationship grow, if it actually ever does? What I'm trying to say is that we need disagreements, we need to be challenged or we won't grow at all.

If you feel like its a waste of time

Then it is, but that also might be because you did not listen at all. I've had long conversations with people of radical views, people who believe the population of the planet should be cut in half by a plague and I walked away learning something new about sustainability and economy. That may sound like a horrible experience to most and I won't say I enjoyed listening to someone calling for genocide, but I did find vestiges of logic in the reasoning.

We tend to only watch, only listen to things that agree with our world view. Its the mental equivalent of laying cotton on the floor and living inside permanent safe space. If we take this analogy further and we think about how everything else works in life, we might find the obvious inconsistency staring us right in the face.

  • Walking barefoot on harsh terrain makes your feet stronger.
  • Working out your muscles, straining with pain to lift heavy objects make them stronger.
  • Practicing holding our breath under water expands our longs and makes them stronger.

I don't think I need to continue the list to make my point, these are all obvious and we all know them. But, Why is it we can't seem to understand our brain works in the same way? Why is it we believe a life of no conflict is even possible in any healthy context.

Conflict finds you in the end anyway

Its completely unavoidable and that is something we also know and know quite well. We however have the choice to learn from it, to grow, to expand our knowledge on our position or to shutdown, close our mind to opposing views and live a fantasy land where everyone agrees with us and our worldview.

It almost does not matter if we believe our thoughts to be benign, to be as dangerous as carrots. There is someone out there who believes you are wrong and it might be valuable to find out why.

Are you ready to argue?

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Thanks @meno for your ever so gentle way to poke our brain-muscles into action. You're right; our brain is a muscle that has to be kept in shape in order to grow and function better. A big part of that is, as you say, to (be able to) escape your own echo-chamber. Especially nowadays it's becoming easier and harder at the same time to do so, because our echo-chambers are being automated in record speed, courtesy of Google, YouTube, FaceBook, InstaGram, Twitter... Well, mainly the first three. Search-algorithms are "assisting" us to find exactly what we like, they know what products we look for, what political viewpoints interest us most and also what interests our family and friends. This is how they make money; you are the product that's traded, your interests, your data. What was an echo-chamber rapidly becomes an echo-bubble...

Reaching out to other people has never been so easy, but it also seems people I meet online are increasingly harder to convince of a contrary opinions, and are always heavily invested in one of two opposing camps; there's almost no grey area, no common ground.

Especially when people are emotionally invested in the subject matter, the division between camps becomes sharper as well as the language used; I'm a big Star Wars fan, and you should see the rift that has fans divided since Disney took pver LucasFilms and specifically since The Last Jedi. Whole YouTube channels have been erected just to criticize that film and even to boycot future Star Wars films from Disney...

But I digress; just wanted to add the point about the search engines to your already wonderful post. And I wonder if you, or anyone else here has an opinion on the increasing divisiveness I seem to notice online; It could be my own info-bubble after all :-)

Thanks!

Great points @zyx066 without a doubt the big 3 have exploited this mental flaw (confirmation bias) to their financial benefit and its moving us towards a world where people cannot deal with conflicting opinions.

There is of course something to add about tribalism, some behaviors that might as ancient as war, but I think this is just an ingredient to this potentially disastrous cake.

I tend to think these conversations, these types of reflections are my own way of enacting rebellion. if it makes one person shift gears in the slightest, its already a win.

important it is to talk to people that disagree with you. The idea of course is to gain perspective, to understand their positions and see if there is any validity to a claim or not.

True @meno. I have come to learn that that where there is nonsense. There is sense. Everyone's thought matters alot. There words or ideas I believe is THINKING OUT OF THE THOUGHT CIRCLE.
So as you have said, I have made sure to listen carefully, den I try to decipher the words and pick out the sense in what sounded senseless. I believe that was what made Albert Einstein ... him...
More grease to you elbow and more claity to your thoughts

perfectly said brother...

so is your post perfectly described @meno.
more grease to your elbow

@meno very interesting article. As much as I try to avoid it, I fall victim to the affirmation bias quite often. Though I've found metacognition can help identify these moments. It's always an empowering feeling to identify bias and then reexamine an issue. I wish we taught perspective taking in school and differentiated between a dialogue, debate and discussion. Students don't learn core tenets of relational dynamics which in unfortunate since we are social animals by nature.

But yes, I agree with everything you said. The brightest CEOs surround themselves with people who are smarter than them. Unfortunately, many have inflated egos and need to be the smartest person in the room. Apparently, so is the president of the united states.

We all fall for it @cryptospreads but the first step in the right direction is to recognize it... Regarding our president I will refrain from comment, but boy do I have heavy opinions about him!!

thank you for reading, cheers

Me too man. He's a narcissistic sociopath haha this country baffles me

I think most of us are not, simply because when we speak we are more aware of defending our point of view than of listening to the other person's message.

Exactly, we tend to act is our point of view can be stolen if we don't protect it.

Nobody likes to be wrong, but there's definitely value in argument. It sharpens your own perspective of an issue, and challenges you to put forth your logical progression of steps that allowed you to arrive at your current stance as well as trying to understand your counterpart's logical progression. A civil, intellectual discussion is always welcome.

Amazing post mate!

Said brilliantly mate, thank your for sharing your take on this matter with us.

Great post. I sometimes actually catch myself not listening when someone else is talking, and then I restrain myself to give them a chance to say what they have to say. Many's the time that doing that, ended up with me realizing there was no argument at all. I've gotten better at this with age. :)

exactly brother... I think I was there myself just today... I was about to react in objection, let my friend finish the thought and next thing you know we actually agreed the whole time.. it was in this case semantics.

Interesting thoughts. Very true current self vs younger self. I have definitely said some ignorant shit in my time that would make now me cringe

A good argument is always good and refreshing.

Of course I agree... it might sound like we crave conflict and obviously that's not it...

Thats very interesting, thanks for sharing

Like your writing bro @meno ❤️

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