What to do with the stuff we find

in pizzagate •  8 years ago  (edited)

September tenth 2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that the pentagon was missing a few dollars from its piggy bank. Specifically $2,3000,000,000,000 had vanished into thin air. 


Only a tinfoil hat person would correlate that with what happened next. 

Which is that the accounting department of the pentagon was physically destroyed in an explosion. 

Hey - sometimes zany coincidences happen.  

The only reason I bring that up is to say that--watching the Citizens' Grand Jury assemble their case notes-  in this historic crowdsourcing intelligence avalanche--

I see a common thread. The reality of our fellow Americans suffering unspeakably -- that has a visceral impact on us. We feel impelled to rescue those suffering people. The need to help feels greater than our need for oxygen.

I was specifically forbidden from going to the wreckage on nine eleven in my turnout gear. Almost all of us were. Too many EMS people - not enough for them to actually do. And that was not a good feeling. 

Helping people is what I do.

I guess what I worry about is having a little too much unbridled zeal.

I think we have righteously (seriously) gotten to this plateau in our efforts. 

And that its worth considering which people in the federal government we trust with our findings. 

A more imaginative person than myself might wonder aloud whether the CIA and the NSA were in an allout war against eachother. 

If I were (like many of us) mining for evidence of a crime -- I would want to have a plan in place for WTF to do with it. BEFORE I stumbled upon it. 

(Unless you intend to deputize yourself as the highest ranking person in this situation and keep the evidence for yourself)[which I would not recommend]



head of the CIA from 1946 to 2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Central_Intelligence

and from 2005 to present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency

(God forbid we should have them all on the same list)

I think it makes sense to check those guys out. To get a feel for who's running this thing.


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head of the NSA from 1952 to present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency


(a more wildly speculative person than me might point out how the NSA guys appear to be able to live with themselves. And presumably able to live with the things they are doing behind the scenes. Which would be wild, baseless conjecture. SmileMetrics.)

So to all of you autistic geniuses uncovering way more than you bargained for - 

Please consider securely, anonymously uploading your finds to the federal (or even local) agency you distrust the least at this point.

What I think we should avoid is spilling this toxic sludge on pastebin where -- yes, the right people in the (new) US government will get a hold of it eventually. 

But will also be absorbed by the guilty parties. And by the intelligence gathering arms of the 190 other countries on this planet. (Not all of whom are in our TopEight myspace friends)

[public dot-connecting activities are not what I'm discouraging. I'm talking about single file SmokingGun discoveries]


Food for thought.


(If you get your evidence harvest into the hands of the right inbox, and that person ignores it for six months -- then okay yeah -- maybe then your hand is forced to throw it up on pastebin for all the world to see.)

Just please consider not skipping that first step. Lets give these guys a chance to do their job. That is what we intend, yes?

Not usurping their very role from them.

You guys can do whatever you want. That's just what I think. 

Lets force ourselves to have some foresight.  

Because results. 

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

How many times do we have to be burned to realize this time we cannot trust the gatekeepers?

In 2007 ICE (Operation Flicker) found 5,200 men subscribed to child porn sites.
Paying money to belong to pedophilia sites.

Almost 2,000 of those people were never investigated further.

264 of them were working for the Dept of Defense at the time.

74 had Top Secret or Secret Security clearance.

Out of 5,200 people it was reported that only 2 were convicted.

The investigation was cancelled due to: a decision to place resources onto other priorities.

The investigation only lasted for about 8 months in total.

I'm hoping to conjure an endgame.

You're naysaying mine. So do you propose one?

If not -- I'm not sure how seriously I can take your naysaying.

I did. Below.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

It would be better to hand all civilian gathered info directly to Jeff Sessions than to send it to those agencies. You never know what the gatekeeper's allegiances are. Take it to the top.

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