Immigrants Being Separated From Children. Concentration Camps Claim Some. The Legacy Media Spin is in Full Swing.

in politics •  7 years ago  (edited)

Some of you may know I am the one who operates @newsagg and aggregates news sources daily from as many different perspectives as I can find. Yesterday I was speaking to my mother and aunt and my aunt is/was a huge Obama supporter having almost a shrine to him and his family in her kitchen when I visited.

We mostly avoided politics, but at one point she asked me what I thought of children being separated from their families. I didn't have much to say as I hadn't been following the news over the weekend. The only context I had was from earlier in the week when photos of children in "cages" was being pushed by the legacy media. That turned out to be a big back fire when people bothered to look into it in any depth as those photos it turns out come from a time when Obama was President. A big deal was not made about it then, but the legacy media attempted to use Obama era photos and blame Trump.

Over the weekend a huge deal has been made about the separation of children from their families. As I was aggregating and I made it to the Legacy Media section I started noticing a trend. In today's headlines post I shared two articles and I felt a need I don't usually have to add some comments.

Those are two screen captures from that post. You can see my comment labeled OBSERVATION.

My observation was that this was actually intentionally misleading. This is often known as a LIE.

Immigrant families are NOT being separated from their children.

I have seen no evidence to support that.

However, ILLEGAL Immigrants which can also be termed trespassers, invaders, etc have been separated from their children.

The words migrants, and immigrants are weaponized by the legacy media and other Trump haters (yes, the ones who talk about hate speech while they seem to be the ones who have hate as their primary driving force.).

They intentionally omit the word illegal.

Here are some synonyms for you:

Illegal Immigrant = Trespasser = Invader

If you have property and clearly posted borders to your property I can be charged for trespass for entering it. That is a crime. If you invite me onto your property that is not a crime.

To clear this up maybe we should stop referring to illegal immigrants as such. They would drop the word illegal which makes the entire description now a misleading lie. If you were to drop the word immigrant instead that is closer to accurate. Yet if you just replace that phrase with trespasser it accurately describes the event, and does not attempt to treat criminals and non-criminals as though they are the same.

It is very important to get this correct. Let me show you an example by rewriting those headlines above.

"These Republicans have criticized Trump's 'zero tolerance' trespasser policy"

"Hundreds March To Texas Tent City Holding Detained trespasser Kids"

You see actual immigrants, you know those who respected our laws and legally immigrated here, their kids have not been separated.

So why should trespassers be separated from their children. In the U.S. if a family is involved in a CRIME they are separated from their children while the details are worked out.

Trespassing is a crime.

If you want to be an immigrant the only way that qualifies is if you legally immigrate here. You follow the laws, you ask for admittance, are told yes, and you follow the process.

It is much like your house, and your property.

Should people be able to just come into your house whenever they want?

Should we get mad at you when you defend yourself and your property?

Should we get angry with you when you call them trespassers, thieves, robbers, home invaders, etc?

The U.S. is not the only country to have immigration laws.

They ALL do.

If they don't have a border, and laws then they truly are no longer really a country. If you want to kill a country this is a good way to do it.

Yet if the country you want to kill is the one everyone wants to come to, then do you plan on remaking it into the types of places all those people are fleeing? Seems rather short sighted and stupid.

The key is we have laws. Homeland Security wrote a MEMO (not a law) stating they would not 'enforce the law' under Obama. That didn't go through congress, it didn't go through any agency that actually makes the law. A head of Homeland Security basically extra-judicially decided they were not going to enforce the law. This is what is known as DACA.

Now we've had Judges rule nothing can be done about DACA... On what basis? There is no law. All that exists is a memo written by an agency tasked with enforcing the law stating they were not going to do their duty and enforce the law.

A big problem with the U.S. is the lawlessness. People are not enforcing so many of the laws. Many of the laws they enforce when it is convenient to silence or remove someone. If they are powerful they seem above the law.

The problem with DACA, illegal immigrants, etc is a long period of many cases of failing to enforce the laws. Now people EXPECT laws they don't like to not be enforced. They are fine if they are used on those they don't like. They may scream about tolerance and injustice, while truly to them justice is helping only those they agree with. They would be happy if the people they disagree with die. This is not justice. It is mob rule.

Try trespassing on some other countries such as Mexico and you'll see a much harsher treatment.

The latest thing is to compare these trespasser detention camps to concentration camps. These camps have basketball, playstations, and all kinds of things. They are 72 degrees inside, so they are not sweltering.

Furthermore, citizens and LEGAL immigrants are not being rounded up and put into them. People are trespassing and being put into them. That is a VAST difference from concentration camps, not to mention the treatment and facilities are not unpleasant.

As to cages. There are chain link fences. The cage photos as stated before come from the Obama era, and were not taken while Trump has been President.

Are there some places uncomfortable? Very likely. So what? They are trespassers. They voluntarily (of their own choice) chose to violate our laws and enter our country illegally. Are we supposed to spend a ton of money on them making them comfortable? (we actually are) Meanwhile our homeless populations (mostly in Democrat strongholds) are dramatically increasing. We cannot help our own citizens, but we're going to whine and protest over people that are trespassing?

Anyone that protests these actions. You should put yourself on a list. That list should say you will house any of these people in your home with up to two people per room of your house, you will help feed them, help them find a LEGAL job, pay for their medical, and help pay for their educational needs. If you are willing to do that rather than deciding that you have the right to FORCE me or others to do that, have at it.

The problem is you do think you have the right to FORCE me. You are wrong! You do not have the right to steal from me! You do not have the right to steal from other citizens and give it to trespassers!

If you think you do, you are welcome to come try to take it, and I'll demonstrate one of the many reasons we have a 2nd amendment.

Do I hate you? No. Do I hate trespassers? No.

If you try to force me would I hate you. No, I'd resist. If you managed to FORCE me and I could not resist then I might hate you.

Unlike those that their life revolves around finding ways to hate Trump, I don't really hate many people. I don't speak about things out of hate. So what I state is not hate speech.

I observe, I use reason, I think about the long term, such as "who pays for this?", "how do they pay for it?", "how might that impact people already here?", and "is it voluntary".

Now, I know there are fellow anarchists that will jump on the bandwagon about borders and nations. I get your point. The problem is reality doesn't give a shit about opinions.

If you don't want those things to exist then go about making them cease to exist. Ignoring them does not do that. It just puts you in a position where people will use their LAWS to justify imprisoning, or killing you.

I realize you want a fast solution. It isn't going to happen. Think long term. It likely won't happen in your lifetime, but we can work towards it happening in the future.


EDIT: A few bonus headlines... check the dates.

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The two party system is using Humans to create high emotion and support.

Neither party has brought forward a solution.

I just mostly ignore the false, divisive narratives, but you did a nice job.

It'd happen I think in the long run with any number of parties. Group Think is generally not a good thing. It forgets the only truly important minority. The individual.

I was going to avoid it too, but I kept noticing all the Trump bashing headlines in legacy media intentionally leaving off the word ILLEGAL when talking about immigrants, and when they do that it paints a VERY different picture from what is actually going on.

This isn't happening to actual immigrants. Just trespassers.

Nods.

You need to reframe the conversation somehow. Otherwise, you'll always be on your back foot.

Really? I didn't feel the need to say anything else. I don't feel like I am on my back foot. So you'd need to explain more for me to understand what you are driving at.

The MSM never ceases it chattering. It jabbers about what it likes and thinks it has the 'right' opinion on everything it jabbers on about. It seldom pauses to listen. It is reluctant to let go control of the conversation for even a moment. It needs to set the agenda.

It already chooses the topic. Today: Trump and illegal immigration. Of course, there are other and more newsworthy things going on at the moment. When they choose the story too: evil Trump and innocent immigrants, they get to frame the debate. Thus you find yourself busied arguing against their narrative and trying to put forward your counter narrative, instead of changing the discussion/influencing the agenda as you think best.

Responding to their narrative is necessary. It just shouldn't be your focus. It has to be efficient and turn to the discussion you wish to have. I think you're doing the first part but not clearly reorienting the discussion in a new direction. Although it's not like you're going to write posts about this the rest of the week, your comment suggested for me that you don't think this should be the story or there are more newsworthy topics to discuss.

And did you see the (continued) usurpation of father's day?
This didn't come out on mother's day, although the news was already set to be printed.

The biggest thing is what do you do? What is a better practice?
Keeping kids together with adults usually ends in bad things happening.

Keeping families together has ended in a lot worse things happening, ... as people lie about who is family.

So, what i have not seen in all this hulabalu is, what better practices would you recommend?

Enforce the laws. DACA is not legal. There is no law. Amnesty is not legal. There is no such thing as an undocumented immigrant. There really are two types of people immigrants/refugees who are invited here legally, and those who trespass.

I think a lot of the problem is because we've been so lax on enforcing these laws for so long that people get angry when you talk about actually enforcing them for a change.

But you have to think of the chilllins! /em crai

Think of the children being dragged across a desert to sneak into The US.
(at least now they are out of the sun and have food and water)


I feel the worse problem is that we have groups of govern-cement people ... basically selling people. People are smuggled into The US by people who are working (bribes) closely with The US officials.
Harvesting gangs. Roadies for Obama and Clinton...

The entire thing is not what it says on the tin. There is a lot of unpacking to do, before we can even begin discussion. (as your long post has merely scratched the surface)

If I entered your fenced property to save my life because someone is chasing me with a gun, It will not and should not be considered a crime. It would make more scene if the US leads the world to make investments to open factories in South America and hire those immigrants on their own countries. if half the money spent on wars by all countries are spent to make jobs, we would have more peace and justice. Finally I don't think any issue will be dealt with differently if different president is in office. It is the deep state that controls every thing while people are busy blaming the other side.

This is not what is happening. They do not have their back to the fence. They come from all over. They come here because we have been lax about our laws. We have not enforced them and they end up getting great benefits.

If by coming onto my fenced property you will cost my family more money and we'll have to not feed, not educate, not house, not clothe someone that already lives there then I'll shoot you to save them.

If our country has no homeless problem, no employment problems, no healthcare problems, no education problems, with regards to those already living here getting those things then I'd say increase the amount of legal immigrants allowed in per year. To just ignore the what can be supported and to control the quality of the people that cross the border is suicidal and stupid.

I can care about people. That doesn't mean I have to be stupid due to caring.

Furthermore, if they can trespass then they do not need to learn our customs. It is common for these people to then force the mentality of the place they just escaped onto their new stolen home.

So over time the problems of the place they escaped come here. This is not so much a problem when the legal immigration process of the U.S. is used.

It is not just people born here that are complaining about this. It is people that legally immigrated here that are complaining about this.

The news likes to spin it as us being anti-immigration. We are not. We are anti-trespassing.

If the fence is an electric fence you are not going to cross it. Apples and oranges. If they no longer have the expectation of being able to cross with no legal consequences, and often better treatment than existing citizens then perhaps they won't approach that fence in the beginning.

Perhaps instead they will have to fight hard to fix the places they are coming from. If they like the United States perhaps they should fight hard towards making where they are at closer to it.

If they don't like the United States then why do they want to come here?

I agree with you to one extent that is: If I have to choose between the survival of me or my kids VS you and your kids I will choose mine. But this is not the case. All problems you mentioned above were created by the deep states all over the world. We the people all over should educate each other to this fact(in my opinion at least) and we should help each other to overcome war creators and control freaks elites. I agree with you saying"Perhaps instead they will have to fight hard to fix the places they are coming from." We can help by demanding our government to stop interfering in others affairs. And stop supporting dictators all over the world for our own selfish reasons.

media lies
about the illegals children.

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Firm believer in enforcing the laws, don't like them work toward changing them but remain legal all the way! Great post as usual...

trespassers will be prosecuted

The only thing missing from homes of Leftist elites are Huns for guests.

Damn fine article Sir! As for some of the anarchists who would prefer a borderless world I think they need to prioritize some things first. Many times people don't like illegal immigrants because it drains public welfare benefits.

When you apply for benefits, it is like begging to get your stolen money back from the government because you can't afford to live. If you jump through all the right hoops they may give you some scraps to live on.

This money that they give out is stolen property, stolen from the people. They put people in a state of psychological duress and let them decide if they want to hand it over to them or get physically abused and have it taken away from them forcibly.

So people are first salty at big government from stealing a quarter to fifty percent of the fruits of their labor. Then because of benefits being given in the form of welfare to illegal aliens the people have an easier target to blame. They can't blame the government, because government will kick their ass, so they proceed to lay the blame on the illegal aliens.

That's basically like getting pissed off at a pawn broker for buying your stolen Rolex for a quarter of what it's worth and then reselling it at 90% of the value. The pawn broker is just taking advantage of the good deal.

That's what we need to be looking at is the "good deal" and how it came to be. It is because the people have become resigned to the fact that government is stealing from them, a raw deal. So, as for those anarchists who rail against the notion of borders.

Firstly, they need to worry about the income tax. Once that is resolved there is a far greater chance that they could move closer to their goal of getting a border free north America.

Secondly, end the war on drugs and the profit that transnational "illegal" drug dealers make would get slashed by a large margin almost over night.

Remove the benefits of social welfare, and drug profiteering and the problem of uncontrolled immigration becomes less of a problem. However, there is still terrorism to consider.