IMPORTANT: introduction to Plan B for our Project.hope community [DO NOT RESTEEM]

in projecthope •  4 years ago  (edited)

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The contents of this post shall be considered as an "Introduction to Plan B".
A plan we would have to follow in case if it would be deemed necessary for Project.Hope to SHUT IT'S DOORS on HIVE and be fully focused on Steemit. A plan we hope will never need to implement.

This plan would absolutely need to be thought through and discussed well. Our team needs to be prepared for a possible upcoming scenario, in which there is no future for our PH community on HIVE blockchain.
I surely would value your feedback.

INTRODUCTION

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It has already been over 3 weeks since the aggression came from a few hostile large HIVE stakeholders against our Project.Hope community has started.
Those were 3 very long weeks.

That was a very challenging time for all of us, and I would like to thank all of those who continue to publish their content (our way of fighting) within PH community.

In times of crisis is when we all learn about ourselves. We learn if we can handle our emotions and control our anger. Are we patient or not? Can take hits without feeling the urge to punch back? Do we break under pressure? Or perhaps we are able to stay strong and loyal beside the person standing next to us?

This is the time when we learn what we are made of.

Few words to start up discussion

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I've been receiving different ideas from many of you on how to handle the current situation. As much as I appreciate your feedback, it seems that some of the suggested solutions were not deeply thought through. The majority of the time I have the impression that those ideas came up in the "spur of the moment". Often bases on another wave of emotions: anger or fear.

Ideas varied all the way from: going for a full on flag war ... to completely abandoning our beneficiary system and fully complying with those that bully us.

Let me just say it: We will NOT go to war.

At the same time, I honestly do not believe that reducing our beneficiary to lower levels (20-30%) would change the current situation. Attacks most likely would continue as long as we do not manage to be "accepted" by those whales.

After all, we've been attacked in the past because of my mass memos. I’ve stopped that over a year ago. A few months later - they have found a different reason to attack PH. We were accused of being a community that supports plagiarism. Since then, we’ve educated our members and created an "anti-plagiarism department". Downvotes eventually stopped a few months later, but unfortunately until now.

Those few users will always find a new reason to be hostile. And now we got hit much harder than ever before. This time, the reason behind is baseless claims that we sell votes. It hardly seems to matter anymore that many of our members deny it and they often share their amazing experiences since they joined our community.

It hardly seems to matter that GuiltyParties conducted an investigation and has confirmed and recognizes PH as a legitimate community. Though he shared his view on hive anti-abuse discord, it helped only a little bit.

Our strategy so far...

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has been quite simple and straightforward. Avoid conflict escalation at all costs. Avoid going into war, which we would clearly only lose. And to make it happen - I've been spending hours every single day contacting our members. Chatting, skyping, zooming. Trying to bring more courage to those who fear and doing my best to calm down the angry ones.

And let me tell you something. It's emotionally wrecking. I'm an introvert and taking so many emotions, such strong emotions is very taxing on me.
Well ... a man’s gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Our strategy aimed to calm things down and to find people who are close to acidyo and other guys (mutual friends) and allow them to mitigate and talk on our behalf. And this is what we did.

I would like to mention and thank @tfame3865, who achieved this huge success. On 25th of April, he managed to talk to Acidyo and even received some positive feedback as well. One that suggested he (together with pfunk) started to change their minds about me.

Since then for one week we did not experience many downvotes. It all slowed down greatly. Until a few days ago, when one of our members (I won't bring up his name) exchanged few unfortunate insults with Acidyo.
From that very moment, things got so much worse.
And I do not expect it to slow down again.

(Important note: my intention here is not to put blame on anyone in particular).

We're back to square one.

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We've initially have been receiving 15-20mln HP downvotes daily. It went all the way down to 2,8mln (I'm receiving automated and detailed reports every morning) and now we're back to initial downvotes volume.

I'm not sure if we will be capable of calming things down again. This time around (based on my knowledge) acidyo is taking it very personally and he won't let it go. Themarkymark (together with managed by him buildawhale) also became way more aggressive.

Those few so called "whales" do not seem to care about reasoning any more. It's quite obvious to me by now.

Difficult PH financial situation right now

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If those hostile downvotes will continue, then moving away from HIVE and shutting down PH on hive (and moving funds to steemit) will be the only solution.
Currently, we're collecting approximately 4k hive in form of beneficiaries to ph-fund budget.

At the same time to renew all dleases (600k HP) ... I would need almost 9k
So, I expect that this month will bring 4-5k Hive loss. I surely can use our budget reserves, but it's hard to tell how long we can take such losses.....

My personal timeline

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It is also crucial to bring up my personal timeline. So we would all be on the same page.

As some of you already know, I'm planning to take an opportunity of the fact that lockdowns in Europe are slowly being lifted. Together with my Malaysian wife and our little "Happy" puppy-dog, are planning to move our entire life from the EU back to South-East Asia this summer (July).

Such a process (in times of pandemic) will require my time and full attention. We also need to prepare ourselves for a 2 week quarantine once we land. On top of that, the amount of immigration paperwork we have to follow is insane.

I simply cannot risk a failure. As my life depends greatly on it.

For that particular reason, I need to ensure that starting from June I will be able to focus on those things. Which means that I cannot afford to wake up every single day worried and stressed not knowing how difficult the day will be.

By June, I would need to decide what to do next. And I surely as hell would not like to be forced to shut down PH on Hive and transfer all resources to our community on Steemit.

FINAL WORD

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For next month, we will all continue posting the way we did so far. In the meantime, I will use my time to try calming things down again. However, I do not believe that at the current stage it is possible anymore.

It is absolutely breaking my heart to see our work slowly and steadily being destroyed. To know, that I invested so much time into building something that may end soon.

Such is life sometimes ...

Yours, @crypto.Piotr
@project.hope founder

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Please, let me know if you've read this post fully. And if you did, then write to me "coconut" through discord and you will get 1 steem from me - it shall be enough to buy some beer or ice cream.

Let's reward patient readers :)
I will then also share with you a .pdf file explaining in more detail my vision for "Plan B": how I would like to re-organize Project.hope if closing our doors on HIVE is a must.

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I would like to add, that recent several days made many of our members and some PH leaders reluctant towards Hive blockchain.

.Just check out some of those recent messages I've received:
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This is the feeling of many people who feel attacked.

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I am agree with these team members.. Right decision and appreciate their thoughts on this... I feel the same

i'm sure happy dog ​​will have fun adventures in asia

This project and your dear angel have done a lot for me, I will pray a lot for the whales that attack us to calm down, I hope God grants us that miracle

I've read this. I will discuss over discord

Greetings friend piotr.

Personally I think that living under the anxiety that acidyo gives negative votes for any fight I have with any member of Project hope is something that makes me think that it is not worth wasting resources and time in hive.

Personally I am one of the people who think that if they don't want me in one place I don't need to insist that they want me, the best thing is that project hope makes a unique life in steemit.

Steemit has proven to be less hostile and in particular I think we can get good friends and good alliances with other communities.

The other really beneficial thing about project hope making life only in steemit is that the content generated here will be exclusive, so we have to consider friendly alliances with steemcurator so that there is the possibility to support quality content within the community.

Although it may sound a little strange, but the best thing is what happens, this may be the beginning of a road full of success for project hope in steemit.

I support 100% the idea of coming to publish quality content with project hope within steemit.

Thousands of dollars are lost by not complying with the rules imposed by the powerful.
Here you can see the opposite of decentralization, they want you to vote the way they propose, it seems that they are going to limit the number of publications, etc.
It's a disaster, it seems that they enjoy doing evil, for a long time I stopped recommending Hive to anyone, for that very reason, anyway, if the decision is that Project Hope leave behind a toxic site, away from people who as in a country with a terrible dictatorship want to impose what they want. Then it will be done.

At first I want to thank you for keeping every thing obvious for us, also even if they stopped the downvotes, they find another reason to downvote later.

I hope you can take care of yourself, family and personal life... They are the most important.

Will still post on the community on Hive until I see what's the final step we are going to take. Thanks again Piotr.

I have a league of feelings, one of them is frustration and the other impotence.
Thank you @crypto.piotr for everything you've done and you're still doing for all the members of the community.
I support the decisions that are made and can count on me for whatever is needed.

I'm very happy to be part of Project Hope, I've always said it and I'll keep saying it.
Regards

Note:I'm waiting for the pdf file (Discord).

I already read it.
This is really worrisome.

Que triste que tengas que tomar la decisión de irte de hive pero si es lo que debe hacer pues adelante. Muchos seguiremos escribiendo en PH a través de steemit.

Greetings my friend @piotr.

I have read each of your words, and actually you have my support in the decision you make, personally I think the right path is plan "B" because it is sometimes difficult to swim against the current as we only have to reverse our direction of orientation and go to the place where we feel better and get afloat, I think that peace of mind is priceless, and this time we can build it together because we have a great team.

I think that when we have difficulties in any area of our lives the important thing is to exhaust all possible ways and I think you have already done it, once focused on the problem now we are on the way to the application of the solutions and the one you propose I think it is the right way.

I hope you can be at peace with your family and that all of us can support you towards the new direction we have to take, many blessings to you and your family. Best regards.

I confirm reading this post, abandoning what one have invested much energy and time on can be really disheartening i understand that every entrepreneur would want his business to make much gain its also certain challenges will always be there in any business PH has come this far to give up soon, i guess lets wait till june if there are improvement then its a win win for the community i hope hive would understand they are about to loose the best community ever.

I can understand this. They will never listen to anyone. It's time to move on. I have my full support to you. Any decision that you take will be good for our community.

stay blessed

I have read it and no doubt you are absolutely right, but I share your idea of moving the funds to steemit and thus have a quieter life. I am waiting for the PDF

Indeed we are going through tough times and we have taken a lot in the past few weeks.
There is no reason to continue receiving such downvotes.
The downvoters are not interested in knowing the other side of the story.

Their approach of " My Way or The Highway " is not good in the long run.

In such situation, we must take a decision.

Greetings, once I was able to read this post I must say with great pain that what our community is experiencing is an attack that has no basis, it is an attack based on the whim of a person to see PH failed, that is why I remain active in the community and firmly believing in my values.

Today I want to express my full support to our leader @crypto.piotr, who with his patience has been able to handle this problem that is not easy.

Friends, no matter how hard the decision that has to be taken, the important thing is to be united to continue growing together, these are some of the many tests that will be presented to us, so let's have the maturity to face it.

I don't know what to say dear... except that good luck what ever you decide to do. I am not one who can take this pressure a tall, and those guys have schemed against the community and not stopping downvotes.

It's very very sad to see the community break down, but if its for the best for your mental peace then its best I guess. Heartbroken I am... but I will get through, difficult times Covid one and these challenges adding to that.

I just not happy with these downvote power and arrogance, and someday I hope I find a better platform than HIVE and steem to post content.

The current situation in Hive is not pleasant its making things so difficult. The problem is that they don't want to listen and understand. With this many downvotes, its hard to survive and I agree with your decision. I know that its not easy but sometimes we have to take strong decisions and I support you.

That platform has always been hostile towards the community

Screw them , I hope you shall get good support here in STEEM , but beware as there are some ass holes here as well

It is a rather complex situation, but from what I have seen so far what Project.HOPE is facing, it is a sign that HIVE is running out of time to transcend and become a successful platform in the blockchain world, the failure of Project.HOPE in HIVE will also be the failure of HIVE in the blockchain.

What I support my hypothesis on:
Failure of Project.HOPE on HIVE = Failure of HIVE on the blockchain.

I have reached that point, because I really knew little about how the blockchain works, as you may know before working for the community I have only dedicated myself to publishing, but since I came to Project.HOPE and saw the potential of teamwork and consensus that can be developed to grow HIVE within the blockchain, seeing users working in distributed roles seeking to attract investors, new users to HIVE, investing resources in academic training plans and allocating funds for medical emergencies gave me a broader perspective of the enormous potential that HIVE has.

However, this type of hostile downvotes behaviors that some users tend to execute in HIVE, is something that no user and much less investors can tolerate, therefore the future of HIVE is uncertain and nothing positive for the platform, its attempts to attract investors will be truncated by the irrational and primitive action of some users with millions of Hive Power, something very unfortunate because I know that Blocktrades and his team is structured by valuable people who are doing an extraordinary job with the development of our blockchain.

Friend @crypto.Piotr, the personal timeline of all of us who are part of Project.HOPE is the one under attack, therefore it is reasonable to desist and focus energies to create conditions where we do not work under pressure. However, I believe that in order to make that decision, first all channels of communication and high level dialogue with the people who hold power in HIVE must be exhausted, and if after that everything remains the same, the decision to leave is not a probability, since it will be the only option.

I certify that I've read the whole post.

I prefer sending my feedback directly to you on discod.

Thanks for sharing this great post with love from @hardaeborla and I hope you have a great day ahead ❤️💕

I have read several comments saying about the "failure of PH in Hive" and this makes me very uncomfortable.
Project Hope has not failed in any way.

What we have here is one more proof of the overwhelming failure of Hive Blockchain.

We must be clear that acidyo, pfunk, themarkymark and the others do indeed represent Hive Blockchain.
They, along with blocktrades, are the creators of that eyesore that they call a social network. They impose their rules of the game, and if they want, they will change those rules at will as many times as they want.


According to the above, the most logical option would be to move away from that place.
But, PH is much more than upvotes, HP, and budget. Project Hope is all of us.
Abandoning our project would be like turning our backs on the thousands of subscribers and hundreds of active users who have benefited and who appreciate the opportunity they have had to see their accounts grow thanks to our support.

Making that decision to leave the Hive platform would be the toughest decision we have had in four years of work. Although Hive Blockchain is barely a year old, our activity there was an extension of the work that was born in Steemit.

Finally, I want to say that it makes me very sad just to think that after a few months, I will visit our front-end in Hive and see a ghost town, a dry land, where there used to be a beautiful garden.

Hive Blockchain will never be decentralized with the gang that controls everything according to its own rules

I hope you are well dear leader @crypto.piotr, I have read carefully all the publication and I have come to the conclusion, that in order to progress it is necessary sometimes to make difficult and maybe radical decisions; where you can think with your brain and not with your emotions.

I totally agree with you in proceeding towards a plan to change operations to steemit and leave the hive blockchain, since this has been a "war zone" for all of us, with the only difference, that a war is developed between several sides or people and it is not our case, since the powerful and big magnates are the ones who oppress us.

I faithfully believe that the solution is in our hands, we only have to execute it in the best way, I am with you dear friend @crypto.piotr. success and blessings to you and your family.

Hi @yongleantonio

Consider joining our PH community discord server:
https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW

Cheers, Piotr

Dear friend Piort, it is difficult to stay in places where they do not appreciate the work you do and much less when you are brutally attacked to impose what you want.

Since I am in project.hope, I have noticed that we are surrounded by great proactive professionals, who not only focus on what they write, but also seek to contribute their skills for the good development of the community, I think we should take advantage of all that potential and direct it towards our community in steemit, I'm sure it will be the best for everyone.

I will wait in my discord for more details about plan B, with the brilliant minds that exist in the community I'm sure we can solve any situation, count on me.

See you later, success and blessings to all.

Sadness, annoyance and uncertainty are some of the emotions that pass over me, at the moment of having finished reading your publication that sounds like a farewell @crypto.piotr, but I am convinced of your leadership and even more I am clear is to express my support to the decisions we make as a team.
Although my path has been short in the blockchain, I consider I have made an effort and shared quality material that make HIVE grow in scientific knowledge and it is sad that a space if you want decentralized is managed indirectly by such arbitrary people who only use their wealth to mitigate the smallest.
In a way I say to you, it is necessary to continue working as we have been doing, we must demonstrate that our support to PH goes beyond the economic interest as they want it to weigh.
I reiterate my support to your cause @crypto.piotr and in favor of this extraordinary community @project.hope. Regards

hi @madridbg

thanks for this supportive comment.

we must demonstrate that our support to PH goes beyond the economic interest as they want it to weigh.

I only need to reply to it. It's not about our economic interests - but it's about economic survival of PH. And if those downvotes won't stop then renewing dleases will not be an option. And that would in result reduce our voting power greatly. Which in result would enforce us to support only small group of people.

Back to square one.

I'm not sure if i'm up for it ...

Greetings friend @Piotr, The attack towards the PH community has been systematic and I believe in particular that they hide with the theory of the 50% benefit, I think that they cannot accept the important evolution that we have had in such a short time, demonstrating that the right things are being done in this community, with much sacrifice and for the benefit of the members. I think that all possible ways should be exhausted to try to calm the waters. If this is not possible, I support the decision to go to Steemit.

For me it was not easy to accept what is happening and what is still happening in our project, the attacks were and will continue to be stronger and stronger against us, from the beginning it was like this before the division, and the creation of HIVE.

I can say that in a psychological and monetary way this situation affected me a lot and I said to myself, I must look for other ways to generate resources for my personal project that I carry out in Venezuela.

So I stopped writing within the community for the project, it is not easy to receive several downvotes, and be calm I know that many of us who live to create content affects us, because it is not easy to spend more than two hours creating a good publication and then punish us just because they feel like hurting us.

It will not be easy to see disappear something that cost us many years to build, however here we will continue and well I'm sure many of us will continue to support our project.

together we will grow more.

You know that you can always count on me.

Sincerely speaking, the hostility against project Hope Community on hive has been really exhausting. I really want to appreciate you for always having all these issues under control, but it will be really sad to see project hope leave the Hive community. However, if the troubles persist still, then we might have to move.

One of my major fear is the support we have on hive.It will be really sad to lose the big accounts behind our curation trail and I hope the individuals owning those accounts will not also decide to remove their support if we leave the hive community totally for steem.

Me month is a good timeline to come up with a solution, and I hope it won't resort to us leaving hive. We have the capacity to do very well on both chains.

Hello I have confirmed reading this, I will chat you up on the discord channel.

love to have the pdf file also

We are here to support the decisions that are in the best interest of the community.

Vibes on HIVE are pretty much negative. And no matter how elites wish to spin it. We can see they have their stakes and they want to have their own rule for the same. Trying to get them to agree with us would be like unstoppable force being asked to reason with. I think STEEM is pretty much a great platform and more and more swap sites are starting to accept STEEM now.

Binance having support for STEEM speaks a lot. PH should spend more time here on various projects within community. I think HIVE community can be run without any form of beneficiary. And many members are posting daily over there can be asked to post once a week. Otherwise bot would be running low on power.

I confirm to read your plans and I am pretty much thinking on the same line. I am with you on whatever choice you make with community.

Staying away from hive is a no brainer at this point.

I read this post and will have a discussion on discord. thanks.

I confirm that I have read the entire publication.

Wow it is difficult for me to talk about this situation, talking with my wife, these last weeks we have realized that the Government that controls the HIVE Blockchain is strong and they will never allow others to take control and be happy.

On the other hand, I am very sad about what is happening and PH closing its doors in HIVE. When I was more needy than ever, in an unknown country that was not mine, I had the help of the community, especially @crypto.piotr and my compatriot @juanmolina and thanks to them I can solve an economic situation and be able to live from this work of creating content. I also can't help being annoyed and not being able to do anything to counter the attacks, believe me if I had power I would defend them, but talking to these people is really wasting my time.

Plan B

I have always been willing to help you from the beginning, if you need any help you can count on my support. I think that if things continue as they are going and the hostiles do not sedate in their attacks, the best thing to do is not to waste time on a centralized blockchain and take a complete approach here on the Steem Blockchain, gladly in this situation you will have all my support to work and push the community forward.

I want to see the PDF as well and look at plan B in detail.

Financial Markets Analyst.
@lenonmc21

I have read the article carefully, I will share my opinion in discord, I sincerely hope all goes well.

All i have to say is, no community grows when the leaders are dictator. Yet we claim freedom of speach and censorship.

It is dangerous when a fool is in power. i care not who gets upset by my comment

read it!

I understand what you are up to and the choice you want to make
You are not the first to be chased away from Hive
There are many who have given up Hive for the same reasons, I know several of them and they are now back on Steem.
I'm glad I never built a community on Hive
But there are some worms on Steem as well that belong on Hive

Read and will discuss with you on discord.

I see this challenge like a chessboard, and the most obvious outcome that comes from my mind is to move right away to Steem. To avoid you stress for your move in June in South Asia.

Maybe I am wrong, perhaps!

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I confirm reading the entire publication...

Thank you @crypto.Piotr and the rest of the @project.hope for staying ahead of the game. Confirmed read.

Read through this content. Will discuss on discord

No words for such actions. You have to speak out loud what's going on outside of the hive. Seeing yesterday's screen post earning $ 90 by acidyo, my head hurts. I'm with you!

I have already given my opinion on the matter. Thank you for the information. I hope everything ends well for all of us.

Respected @crypto.piotr I feel helpless with all this and we must continue to publish and stand firm, I support your decision and I am grateful to you.

Confirm that I have read this post, I will reach out to you on Discord.

@tipu curate 5

Sincerely, everything happening on hive pH is weakening. But I hope things work together soon, and our community on hive see the light again. Thanks

Well, if it comes to closing up the PH on Hive, then so be it!

As long as the community can continue to grow here, with quality posts, it's all that really matters!

Good luck with your change of life to SE Asia!

I think that what you have done so far as a community, supporting everyone equally or based on your commitment to the project beyond the 50% delegation, is excellent. In particular, the impact that Poyecto Hope is having on my life since I returned to Steemit and decided to subscribe to you, has been exponentially positive. Not only in upvotes and therefore financially, but in that the content I have been able to enjoy from other members is very enlightening, educational, inspirational. I have learned more about cryptocurrencies, leadership and motivation. And I value that very much.

Therefore, I believe that we have to be where we are seeing results. Although I confess that I am one of those who, the more difficult something is for me, the more I insist until I achieve it, I am also one of those who accept when it is time to stop insisting, not because of cowardice or lack of desire, but because it is the best for me and mine. I see that you have tried many ways, but the result has not been very different. It is no longer because of you, it is because of the other party who does not want to decline his attitude.

Concluding, I think the best thing to do is to take the Hive out of PH and invest it in Steemit. From what I have seen so far, Steem has a better present and seems to have a better future than Hive. So by reinvesting $hive in $steem, we will have more reward power and, if coupled with that we get more support from strong whales or delegators, then the results will be more than positive. Hive complains of hostility from Justin Sun and others, in the past, but today they practice that same thing with others. Double standards. From some, because I know that not everyone there behaves like that. I have a project there and so far I have had no major problems, only a few ephemeral differences with a leader who is only driven by his selfishness and perhaps some envy.

I plan to continue working in Hive. But I think it is in PH's best interest to leave.

If I were you and to avoid more physical and emotional wear and tear, I let Hive go from my life and give myself completely and with more effort to Steem and Steemit. We will all win, in my view. And that is the premise of PH. And I subscribe to it in its entirety.

A hug.

Confirmed reading through the content. Great!!!

Just acknowledging that i have read this and I would like to participate on steemit if u guys ever move here. However due to my personal reasons, i have had been busy and will be busy for atleast next 6 weeks.