PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY OTHER GODS IS THERE FOR "THE ONE GOD" TO SPEAK WITH?!?... WHO WAS JESUS/GOD PRAYING TO and what about the voice at his baptism?..... Pgs 31-36........The real question should be ... How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our (and the flesh) benefit not his!?! . God as man ergo "me" making referencing to God the spirit only ergo "you".....There is only one God to pray too so if God is going to personally (in the flesh) show us how to pray to God, then he would need to do so by praying to himself. There is perfectly good coherent reasons for the one God to be praying to the one God (praying to himself).
But, oh no, Trinitarians feel that if God talked to himself then that would be stupid at best and at worst make God schizophrenic or some other mental illness they fear. No sir, they will have none of it, they are on a “mission from god”. They are going to go out and save God from himself and any schizoid/mental illnesses that might “bedevil” God himself. What is even more ridiculous is that their solution to keep God from talking to himself (some mental illness they feel) is to evoke multiple person(s)-ality (deny it is a) disorder and insert it onto God’s “being” (call it one “entity”/ “The Godhead”) instead!?! Man is made in the image of God and when I see a man with multiple different personalities, in the way Trinitarians desperately need their god to be, we call it a disorder (demon possession to be more exact) not divine!?! .......................If the One God (in heaven who is a SPIRIT) wanted to validate that it is in fact himself (on the earth in human flesh) that has come in the flesh on the earth, then a voice out of heaven telling everyone that is Himself is perfectly consistent with a coherent agenda and methodology. The voice and witness to men does not come for God’s own sake but for man’s reassurance. (John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, THIS VOICE CAME NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT FOR YOUR SAKES) The one person God (who is omnipresent) in heaven as well as on the earth (at the same time) wanted everyone to know that it was indeed HIMSELF "in the flesh" Suddenly we can see that the only things “bedeviled” with “many demons” (and mental imperfections) are the Trinitarian’s logic and mindset itself
Pg 78…….So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12) This of course is all nonsense and just polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top. (remember this is not one of those unscrupulous pyramid schemes this is a trapezoid with a solid foundation!?!) If Jesus is not the same ONE GOD that the father is then no amount of denials can overcome the fact that Trinitarians would still be talking and worshiping to different (and in this case) “ONE GODS”. If however, Jesus/father are the same ONE GOD then Trinitarianism cannot escape the fact that “THE ONE GOD” would still have to pray and or talk to HIMSELF at some point. Denials only solidify the fact that they do pray and or worship to three different gods; three different god “selfs” and the only place you can find a “being” that is three different persons is in the “logic” and heads of fools who think they worship one God only that does not talk to himself. ………… A tree is known by its fruit...In the beginning God said you will die; Satan came along and stated you will be more "wise".....God and His Children said God is one; Satan's children say no three or triune God is more "wise"...You are of your father the devil. Those who believe in God in three persons are noting but polytheist who insist and “confess” that they are true monotheist....like liars and thieves who insist and “confess” they are not lying and stealing...!?! All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. The fact you claim to be or not to be something does not make it true. You cannot believe in three persons of God if you believe in one God. Three different persons is by definition plurality of beings (godS not God) simply laying claim to it is "beyond comprehension" to explain or understand, but "don't worry we “confess” that we are monotheist and are not polytheist" is in fact just delusional.
Here is a diagram that graphically depicts how ONE PERSON who is God can Be everywhere at the same time... If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing, why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act [communicate] in one location at a time [in only one way at a time] People unwittingly put god into a box or environment for God to live in rather then God creating the box and environments for men and angels to live you. Obviously That part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?!
PGg10... There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time....Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?!.............
PART 5
Mat 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
Some look at this verse and “see” direct evidence of three different persons, which is quite bizarre since This passages specifically makes the point that Father son and holy spirit all have the same name by placing them side by side equating those with each other as the same person!.. The passage is NOT making a distinction of three different names we are to worship in, pay homage to, baptize into!?!
(A) Placing father, son and holy spirit in the same list with each other, it identifies that father son and Holy spirit have the SAME NAME! It does not say IN THE NAMES OF it states IN THE NAME singular not plural (compare: Gal 3:16) (Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:…………………….; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.)………..There is ONLY ONE NAME that saves not three different names!!!
(B) John 5:43. I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME,
The fact that three things are mentioned in a list is not a “proof” of three different things or persons. In fact, in writing and or public speaking there is a technical use called a tetracolon and also “rule of three” it was widely used by the Greeks and roman orators of whom it is said “perfected it” even today in modern language it is widely used and scriptures use the same basic construct. A good example of this can be seen here: in Revelation
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of
(2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of
(3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are the true sayings of God. .10…for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.)
Also applies to 2Cor 13:14. The grace
(1) OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the love
(2) OF GOD, and the communion of
(3) THE HOLY GHOST, be with you all. Amen. …Note the use of “GOD” here rather then father….it matters not if you try to assume that father is under discussion here because the fact is there is ONLY ONE GOD PERIOD and in this verse Jesus, God and Holy Ghost are all God and all the same God.
All three of these things are the same thing/ message addressed from three different perspectives (or portions/parts) or ways of saying the same thing; It is NOT three different messages or testimonies or “Words of God” !?!
(C) Prov 30:4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? …… what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?
LEARN & “KNOW” WHAT “THE NAME OF THE LORD” THAT YOUR ARE BAPTISED INTO AND OR YOUR “FAITH ONLY” IS IN!?!
Ps 138:2. …. and praise THY NAME ……. for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME
Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD…………
SO:
- If God placed His "THE WORD" ABOVE all of God's various NAMEs
- and Jesus NAME (who is God in the flesh) IS called "THE WORD"
Then it must follow that the MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is "THE WORD"; . Not the letters that spell the word but the sayings/ doctrine/commands…..…… It does NOT say “thy word” is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names. You cannot pronounce “the word” letter by letter that is why they called him “Jesus” but JESUS has a name which is the highest name that God has and it cannot be pronounced letter by letter !?! …. You cannot pronounce nor could your write out in the scriptures “the word” (all of God’s spoken creation/instructions/ law et al) letter by letter which is why the scriptures refer to “the name of Jesus” which is the same as saying “the name of God”…..but only a fool should think that God is that name!?!
Isaiah 52:1. .. 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ...........What NAME do you "KNOW".?
1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him…….
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Rev 3:8….. kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME;
Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME .... and they have KEPT THY WORD.
1John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God.
1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son
Jn 20:31. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life THROUGH HIS NAME.
1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son
ERGO: In the name of the father son and Holy Spirit does not denote three different names or three different persons but three ways/modes of the same person and name of God..AT the name OF JESUS.....Jesus has a name that belongs to Jesus...just like the name OF GOD means a name that belongs to GOD but it is ridiculous to suggest that the letters G-O-D is that name...likewise it is just as ridiculous to suggest that the name OF JESUS is the letters J-E-S-U-S..........other considerations: PS 83:16&19 the name is Jehovah but Jehovah is not the name!?! Jehovah means self existent eternal one it is as much an adjective that describes what God's as it is used as a proper noun “My name is wonderful”, what fool would think that my proper name is “wonderful” …. Jesus is what the man (who was the word in the flesh) that was called “Jesus” because only a fool would think that you could pronounce THE HIGHEST NAME OF GOD and or “the word” (all of God’s spoken creation/instructions/ law et al) letter by letter…. (ie Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable???)
……….Soooooooooo WHAT "NAME" did you "CALL UPON" and Confess and or are now denying ?!?
………………………………Ps 53:4
(D) WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? Pgs 72-81
John 14:9. Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?......The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?"
.................. 10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, THAT WILL I DO, THAT THE FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED in the Son. 14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. …………..
NOW WE GET TO THE HOLY SPIRIT:
…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU... (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh... ....latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given).....that is why. he would send the spirit...... However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you” The present condition was external to them but in the flesh dwelling with them but, the future condition would be internal to them .. Rom 8:9 When you “see” or “pray” to the father (in the name of the father covered further in Ch 7) you are “seeing” and praying to Jesus and visa versa and Jesus will be the one to “come” and answer because father and son are just different parts/manifestations of the same person!?
Eph 4:4. There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6. ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1Peter 1:10. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently, WHO PROPHESIED of the grace that should come unto you:11. Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM, when IT TESTIFIED beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow………
2Peter 1:21. For THE PROPHECY CAME not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.
Col 1:27. … THIS MYSTERY among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: ….
Rom 8:9.....if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DEWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.........
John 6:63. It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; … THE WORDS … they ARE SPIRIT, and they are life…
Rom 8:9. … THE SPIRIT dwell IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
There is only ONE SPIRIT not one spirit for Christ the man another spirit for the Father person (who is a spirit) and a third spirit called the Holy Spirit!?!?!....1Cor 12:13....There is no such thing as three different spirits who are also the same ONE SPIRIT ...
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