Jesus was not a Christian!

ghcc1932 (38) in religion • 9 years ago

Jesus was not a Christian, Buddha wasn't a Buddhist, Mohammed wasn't a Muslim. They were simply wise men who found themselves, reached enlightenment and showed the path to others. The necessity to label and create a religion out of it came later, a very known trait of mankind. They are probably the most misinterpreted people in the whole history of humanity.

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9 years ago by ghcc1932 (38)

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freewill (51) · 9 years ago

Jesus self-identified as Jewish.

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stan (71) · 9 years ago (edited)

It is true that Jesus embraced his Jewish ancestry leading back to King David. But he clearly did intend to create a church comprised of his disciples:

"But what about you?" he asked."Who do you say I am?"
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. -- Matthew 16:18

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ghcc1932 (38) · 9 years ago

The thing is that the bible was actually "engineered" with its books carefully chosen in the Nicaea Council while many other gospels were left out. For example there is one of them that states that Jesus said God is within us. How much would the church hate it if people started looking for god and salvation inside of their own selves instead of inside their temples? Since the books were written by Jesus disciples and they were mere mortals like any of us with their qualities and flaws, could it maybe be someone's ego getting on the way saying that Jesus told 1 specific guy that he would be the responsible for founding this church? Historical and texts manipulation isn't something that started recently and these ancient texts have been through the hands of several people, translated and interpreted over a long period of time.

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stan (71) · 9 years ago (edited)

This is a nice collection of completely false statements used for ages by opponents. Much of it sounds like it came from fiction authors like Dan Brown (of the DaVinci Code) which is where I assume you got much of this.

The Council of Nicaea did not have such an agenda. Subsequent councils discussed this. They looked at all the texts in use by over 300 bishops surrounding the Mediterranean and applied this simple criteria: Did each document have apostolic authority? i.e. could it be traced back to certain authorship by an actual apostle (Paul, Matthew, Peter, John, James, Jude) or one of their assistants (e.g. Luke or Mark). So this was not "engineering" it was due diligence. None of the texts were changed in the process and there were many copies available for cross-checking errors.
All Biblical Christianity teaches that God as the Holy Spirit dwells within us as Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3. So this was not suppressed, it is the fully accepted teaching of Jesus himself.
Jesus hand picked those disciples and instructed them to go make other disciples recursively. They did that for a few decades and in the process wrote letters to other cities which were treasured, preserved , and proliferated while the authors were still alive. Only a few of them were written intentionally as historical accounts. Jesus told them that the Holy Spirit would ensure that they remembered everything He said to him and taught them in the 3.5 years they were his daily traveling companions. Peter and Paul both declared that Scripture was written by God as the authors were "carried along by the Holy Spirit." Jesus declared that Scripture could not be broken and should be believed down to the last "jot and tittle" punctuation and the tense of every verb.
We have 5600 manuscripts dating as far back as the first generation of contemporaries of these authors so there is massive redundancy. They all agree except for minor "typos" easily corrected by comparing them with each other. So we know exactly what the original authors said in the original Greek. All translations go back to this original source so there is no compounding of errors at all.

There is simply no historical document of any kind that has a more pristine pedigree than the Bible. If you won't trust it, you can't do history because you have to throw out 100% of all historical records of any kind.

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ghcc1932 (38) · 9 years ago

Politics...

"There is simply no historical document of any kind that has a more pristine pedigree than the Bible.".

It depends on who you ask. What do you say about the Vedas for example? Not saying the information contained on the Bible is false, but the way it is presented and interpreted to the mass as well as the way these books were put together makes it look clear it was handpicked. Not to mention the major discrepancy between the old and new testaments, where God seems to change of personality. There is even research saying that such discrepancy could be due to the fact of humans gaining introspection (the ability to think about your own thoughts) in between. There are even disagreements regarding the Bible between Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants.

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stan (71) · 9 years ago (edited)

Definitely! As I said, the books were hand picked based on the requirement that they be traceable back to the apostles. What other possible criteria could there be?

The Protestants were protesting the Pope's inventions that they couldn't find in the Bible. So in the "counter reformation of the 1500's the Catholics went out and got the rejected books of the Apocrypha and put them back in so they could use them to justify non-biblical things like Purgatory and indulgences.

God is unchanging. The same in both Testaments. Jesus said in John 5, "If you believe Moses you should believe Me, for he wrote about me. If you don't believe what he wrote, how can you believe what I say?"

What changed is the dispensation - periods of time when God deals with mankind in different ways, each meant to show that no matter what information he has or what system of governance, man will fail to rule his own affairs.

Here's a nice diagram of how Clarence Larkin' drew it all out a hundred years ago...

Note that we are living in the Age of Grace, the church age, ushered in by the giving of the Holy Spirit to us after Jesus ascended. Today we are right where the chart says "apostasy" the great "falling away" that Paul talked about just before Christ returns.

Anybody out there been falling away?

What the heck, here's one more, no extra charge...

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