RE: 4 responses for flat-earthers; Facts over Fiction

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4 responses for flat-earthers; Facts over Fiction

in science •  7 years ago  (edited)

A law is not an upgraded theory, A law is a description of something that can be applied universally. The theories explain why. A theory can be just as factual, or more so, than a law, such as the theories of relativity.

you don't consider political influence on science to be worthy of your time.

Is is often worthy of my time, as I said, I've written about it often right here on Steemit. I'm simply saying your arguments have no bearing on the matter at hand; the shape of earth. It's a moot, and boring, point.

what we have are observations, and a explanation around them... but we have no testable way to prove that what you say is happening is what is happening.

I don't get it. If you see a door and you claim it's a door, do you not observe the door and apply explanations around it in order to establish the fact that it's a door?

Sure, you might run experiments like opening and closing the door - but these tests very much can be done to everything I've said. Just because you can't be bothered to look these things up, or pretend the things you do look up are lies, doesn't make it go away.

Tides are frequently and easily measured all over the world, the moon's gravitational influence can be tested, as can the sun. Even basic animals like beetles and crabs can use these things to determine their breeding grounds and time.

Why not, instead of you pretending these things don't exist, why don't you come up with an experiment that satisfies you to prove whether or not tides, or anything else, exists? I know why - because you can't - you don't know how, because you refuse to put the time and effort into the actual scientific method.

Please do come up with an experiment to prove gravity, or tides, or the shape of the earth is the way you want it to be.

In real science, I wouldn't ask because you show extreme bias towards that goal and would have a high likelihood of corrupting the results, but hey! I would be fascinated to see what you can come up with beyond YouTube videos.

You can't even address a single point from the beginning of this debate so far... What's your explanation for the google earth video? Does the programme mysteriously and imperceptibly change the shape of the digital globe when you zoom out? Do beach balls somehow manipulate your vision thanks to drugs in the water? Do you have a sample of water you've tested for these drugs, and have you the data to show the effects of the particular drug and its contents?

Do you have any experimental data showing the shape of the earth? Do you have any data on the number of people that have mysteriously gone missing when visiting the antarctic? Surely these families would have said something, or were all their families wiped out and silenced too? That's a lot of people - hundreds of thousands every few years all over the world to silence in a world of open and anonymous internet. Provide the evidence for that.

What about the tides? Do you have any measurements that rebuke the system of tides? Have you gone and done any field work on this, or do you know anybody who has done tangible experiments to show that the claims of tides in certain areas are actually false? Where's the data? Nobody is stopping you doing these things.

What's your explanation for the shadows caused by two sticks put down in two locations on earth matching that of a curved ball? Do you have any data or any simple way to disprove it that we can all go out and do in our free time?

Have you got any images from telescopes that prove the physical laws on earth don't match what we see on other planets and moons? Do you have a tangible, evidence based paper on how the sun and the moon function on a square earth that doesn't have obvious and devastating flaws that can be googled in 2 minutes?

Where's your data? Show it to me. Show me measurements of bridges that don't curve around the earth. Show me calculations of the economic benefits to the US government with their tiny, insignificant space program budget, how about measurement of the actual earth so you can give us a true calculation of the effects of centrifugal forces on our body?

Have you measured the density of air through the atmosphere yet and whether or not it gets thinner? Have you got a measurable format of the force that a vacuum creates? Where's the data on the force of a vacuum?

Enjoy your homework.

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Please do come up with an experiment to prove gravity, or tides, or the shape of the earth is the way you want it to be.

you've literally done none of these things yourself, yet you ask me to. we are both using the same data sets, you are just drawing conclusions I think are beyond the scope of the data.

I'm simply saying your arguments have no bearing on the matter at hand; the shape of earth. It's a moot, and boring, point.

HAHAHAHAHA.. whatever man. you are just hilarious today.

I haven't gone out and done experiments (I have with some actually, back in school we're encouraged to do these things, and when I was a teacher, did some myself with the students) because literally thousands have done them before over millenia, as I said.

Why repeat a tried and tested process? You are attempting to push a radical new narrative that has so far got zero research into it. It's time to change that, no?

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

i'm not pushing a new narrative. the heliocentric model isn't that old. it is the new kid on the block.

and no, i don't need to do the experiments either, i just interpret the data differently and don't believe nasa photos are real.

and many times, i'm simply looking at data that is being ignored. you don't get to ignore things in science... sorry.. but it appears to me people want to change the rules...

like why is the suez canal 100 miles and completely level? you see i don't need to do any research, this is a known fact. yet it is completely ignore, or confused. let us be clear...

if the earth was in fact 'curved' we'd see would see 80+ feet of change... yet there is none.

yet water is known to always find its level. nobody as proved or shown water not doing this.

if water was not level... all those pictures of perfect reflections in lakes or ocean would be impossible... why? because if it was curved the reflection would inherently not be complete.

this picture...

moon.reflection.png

is impossible on a curved surface. the water is flat.

oh nasa.. your not even good at faking it... this gif is from a 'live iss feed' ... watch as the solar shield appears out of no where. lol

https://imgur.com/a/STzYcFb

You seem to be struggling now. You once again ignored every point except the suez because I happened to skip that one because I never looked into it. So let's look into it.

It turns out, you claim it's straight but have you actually shown that to be true? Cause it isn't. Check a map of the Suez canal

So now we know the numbers you started with are a lie, here's a telephoto shot of boats on the canal anyway, in the longest straight strip, showing them beneath thee horizon. Or was this a fake picture distributed across social media by the evil government, too?

Maybe you should save up a couple of hundred bucks for a plane ticket for a friend and do Eratosthenes stick experiment. It's cheap. You can probably find your answers for under $100.

Get back to me when your homework is done!

here is a Truth. you could be skinny as fuck. but if you had mentally internalized the idea that you where fat, you could end up dying like Karen Carpenter

be careful how much you have invested in any idea. if I truly saw a round earth, I'd change in an instant. i am not attached to it. I love the truth more than my comfort (because it would be false comfort.)

It turns out, you claim it's straight but have you actually shown that to be true? Cause it isn't. Check a map of the Suez canal

100 miles as the crow flies. it is actually longer than that. the actual length is unimportant to calculating the curve, so I had to find the true distance, the straight line distance, to make any sort of accurate prediction of the curvature.

So now we know the numbers you started with are a lie,

nope, they are not

your picture shows clearly the 'mirror line' .. what is it? a mirage, it is what makes it appear the boat is 'sinking below the horizon' among other things.

in the picture below, the red line is the mirror line. the green is the actual horizon. (roughly)

suez2.png

here is a great video looking into this mirror line... the ship isn't going below anything, it is getting covered up with a mirage. mirror line stuff starts at 3:04

maybe you could stop jumping to conclusions and realize that in science, if I can prove even one part of the theory wrong, there is a problem. the lack of proof of curvature of the earth is pretty freaking huge on the scale of problems with a theory.

If you don't get that, than stop calling what you are talking about science.

@klevn I'm wondering how to account for stars 'travelling' the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere on a flat earth? Also, they do a ton of astronomy these days and it all works because of the math involved in the globe model. How to explain thousands and thousands of people who rely on the statistical presumption of a globe spinning in space during the course of their daily observations?

Circumnavigation in the southern hemisphere is either 12,000 miles or its 60,000 miles (rough comparison) but it can't be both. People have sailed it and flown it - all we need to do is reference their journals and reports - many are public domain and therefore free.

I'll admit there are some mysteries and gaps in our collective knowledge, but I don't think this is one of them. I'm interested to hear how a serious 'flat earther' would answer my questions