The Fermi Paradox and Our Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

in science •  8 years ago  (edited)

I grew up on a generous diet of science fiction and have been mostly optimistic about our chances at contacting intelligent life beyond our own planet. I went through a phase in adolescence where I started to look at the question through a much darker lens, thanks to the plethora of conspiracy lore out there but in more recent years, I think the pendulum has found a comfortable resting place between the two extremes.

The Fermi Paradox is basically just that observation we all make when we go out into the wilderness and stare up at the stars on a clear night. We feel so small and insignificant in the greater cosmic picture and wonder why nobody has come to visit us from afar. It seems that there should be all kinds of "others" out there but we still have yet to detect any of them. What gives!?

There are various theories that suggest answers to this. Some say that ET life is just too rare or might not exist at all. Others suggest that we're just scattered too far away from one another for encounters to be feasible.

Some believe that intelligent species tend to destroy themselves in wars and catastrophic accidents. Natural disasters could be another common reason for their eventual extinction too, of course. It can be pretty crazy out there with all the giant fireballs, rocks, and ice blocks flying around.

The economic problems should never be overlooked too. Even if it's possible to develop a propulsion system capable of breaking the light barrier and thrusting us into someone else's back yard, how could it be an economically viable project? Such problems wouldn't be unique to us either. The laws of supply and demand would affect every other intelligent ET just as much as they affect us, after all. Where's the incentive? Curiosity and exploration are luxuries and pale in importance to more basic motivations like survival, procreation, and the pursuit of comfort.

Some suppose that ETs purposefully avoid us out of respect for our natural evolutionary path or even out of a reasonable fear that we're dangerous and would likely harm them. That suggestion is closely tied to the idea that aliens could already be here but choose to remain hidden... and of course, they could be malevolent shape-shifting reptiles here to farm our chi or steal our gold or whatever... and maybe the government's covering their existence up for some reason, right?

Anyway, my own opinion ties some of these ideas together with another one that I believe to be the fate of our own species. The great distances that separate us from any other advanced species in the universe present a monumental problem of economics and technology. Our ability to someday overcome this barrier looks pretty bleak when you take into account our achievements to date. In all this time, we've barely even managed to eject a hunk of space junk from our own solar system, which is a grain of sand in the ocean when it comes to scale.

Now let's look at a field of innovation that we have been making much better progress in: video games and virtual reality. In thirty years, we went from the green pixels of an Apple II to the vivid 3D immersion of [Oculus](

). See where I'm going with this? From a technological and economic perspective, it's just so much easier to build a new virtual universe than it is to explore the physical one. Rather than achieving the abilities of intergalactic space travel to meet other advanced species, it's far more likely that everyone just builds The Matrix and climbs inside to achieve godhood whether its a great illusion or not. When the experience is perfectly realistic, does it matter that it's not real? Why waste all of our time and resources on developing better engines only to find a tiny fraction of what we imagine might be out there when we could build and experience everything we ever dreamed of in the digital equivalent of heaven?

You know how Amazon learns your taste in books in order to recommend other books to you that you will like? Well, what if The Matrix observed you so closely that it could keep your virtual avatar running after you died, as if you were still alive? What if it were such a convincing replica that nobody noticed the difference? The illusion of immortality could be so convincing that our brief little lives would seem perfect and we we'd live as gods during that time, perhaps never knowing the truth of our mortality. We could all go extinct and our digital avatars could continue functioning as AI forever...

Anyway, I've wandered off into science fiction territory with this but I actually do believe this to be the most plausible outcome for us now. When I see how eagerly people surrender their privacy for the fun and games of Pokemon Go and when I see how desperately we seem to want to escape the limitations of our feeble fleshy bodies, I can't help but think that The Matrix is just around the corner. We want heaven to exist so badly that we'll inevitably just build it ourselves.

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

There are theories about fermi paradox, and one of the solution could be there are some type II civilizations who can harness the energy of the entire star with a Dyson sphare, and they simply upload their brain to computers to live almost forever. These type of civilizations wouldn't search the universe for life like us, they just want to hide and live their life.
So it is a really possible future for us.

Also if you are interested in this subject this 2 video is really good about Fermi paradox:


Thanks for the links! Yeah, as long as we can gather enough power to sustain the population, it should be doable. Would just need a population management algorithm to keep the numbers sustainable.

I don't think a population size management algorithm would be necessary, why not simply have an algorithm to keep the people moats likely to get along and be productive together in the same instances. I know that, in an infinite life I and probably many others would be happy to devote some of it to the problem of capturing more stars and or other means of obtaining ever larger quantities of power. We could possibly be infinite (and probably Viewed as evil 😕.) but we could Atleast live much longer and have a vastly larger population than a simple fleshy existence on inhabitable worlds would allow.

That would be another possible approach, for sure. There will probably be a bunch of different models experimented with and the better ones will prevail.

Related to Dyson spheres: there were news a couple of weeks ago about a strange behavior of a star. It seems that Dyson spheres could exist. This means the possibility of a such advanced species are big. We have 0,7 in the Chandrasekhar list, right ?

Yes, there is a really interesting star out there. Here is a really good ted talks video about it.

I've never been an avid science fiction fan (sacrilegious to star trek and star wars fans I know).

But I found this article fascinating.

When the experience is perfectly realistic, does it matter that it's not real?

I have wondered if we will meet limits we cannot exceed and simply create things that become a reality.

I would love to see a movie where you could look around or switch character views (imagine watching a movie from multiple different perspectives) the replay value would be immense (and probably the movie budget).

I have a lot to think about because of this post. I'll have to look into the technology aspect more. (That's more my passion).

Really interesting perspective. It's like the ultimate paradox/duality, where searching for what's "out there" is really accomplished by searching within.

It makes a lot of sense, that there's something built into reality that's makes it so we don't have a motivation to go poking around at other life. That there's some natural incentive that makes it so civilizations are happy in their own space and aren't constantly exploring each other and trying to live on top of each other.

And you've thought of something scientific and tangible that doesn't require federations of lizards with their various intergalactic laws.

mind blown

Thanks.

Great post. Things are moving faster than ever with people looking for knowledge outside of our "earthly" base. The internet is accelerating this and it will be interesting to see how things move forward with things like disclosure.

I believe this paradox is a result of the calcification and manipulation of our pineal gland. I believe people that came before us, that has won a previous war and therefore chose what to teach for history, regardless of truth but more for future manipulation, have knowledge of the power of the collective human conscience.

I believe we have wool over our eyes. A "veil" that can only be lifted through introspect, spirit, and CHANGE OF DIET. I believe the fluoride in our lives plays a huge role in this.

People that have started to see the light will understand me when I say, it doesn't all happen at once. One realization leads to another, and suddenly your seeing between the lines, often feeling to have predicted the future but rather all you did was observe and draw a conclusion.

These things that I speak of are hard to put into words, probably because this concept is entirely intangible. We are waking up.... but it's too late.... now the best thing to do is research, and prepare.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html also a good take on the subject!

Reading it right now... fascinating stuff! I bookmarked this website because it appears to contain a wealth of other interesting topics. Thanks for sharing!!

yeap. he spend a shitload of time on that too...

I always searching for new ideas regarding the fermi paradox and the simulation argument. It's a nice writing. Thanks for sharing!

looks like a great site! I'll have to set some time aside to explore a bit.

it's amazing!!! but this article is really great. your too.

Thanks. As usual, trying to keep it easily-digestible. ;)

Been my favourite read for years. I enjoyed his Eon Musk articles.

Nice :-) We need more science-philosophy like this here. We need to science the s#it out of Steemit :-)

There was a Battlestar Galactica spin off, Caprica, that hat the same thought you did with you Amazon analogy. Used the entirety of a persons online precense to create a digital avatar that was persistent separate from them but, up until the point of creation, was the exact same as them.

Really? I need to download this. Thanks for the tip!

The attraction of escaping reality and building your own fantasy life is pretty strong. The matrix is probably a lot closer to reality than most people take seriously.

I think we'll see it pretty soon. It will be like online gaming. A luxury service that people pay handsomely for the privilege of using.

Kinda spooky. Reminds me of the movie True Lies.

I think there will be a split: those that want free things go into matrix heaven, and those that want to be free conquer the stars.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Yup, beaming our transmissions out into the Aether with not a care. Until one day we get a tight-beam laser message from a distant system...

"quiet, you FOOLS! You don't know the danger you're calling down upon you!"

Perhaps there's another reason we don't see anyone out there. The gulfs between specks of light are populated, by entities vast and cold...and hungry.

On a different note: Aliens might be amongst us already.
Who knows, Steemit whales might just be aliens running some sort of interesting experiment on the nature of human nature :P

This is a good argument - weighing the demands and the satisfaction of intergalactic travel agaisnt the demands and satisfaction of creating the convincing illusion of it.

It's one of the delicious ironies that we can never be completely sure we aren't living in the Matrix already ;)

I believe in life outside of planet earth.
I believe they extraterrestrial life is not interested in is as we would not be to interested in colonising Venus or Mars even if we would be 100% sure that some amoebas existed there. We are probably too inferior and uninteresting for othe advanced civilisations to interact with us.

I agree with you!
I love science fiction . I believe that it is the engine of progress .
I have a theory - why do not they come to us :
1 - We just live in an alternate reality . We are the extraterrestrial beings on the other a very distant planet in our galaxy . Earth - it is a prison . We are all here for the redemption .

Are we alone in the universe? Question without real answer, we can only presume. Probability would suggest that there is but we could never know that for sure. Maybe some planets will evolve their species a billion years from now, perhaps there were civilizations out there that went extinct billion years ago. What is now here on earth is relative compared to space time continuum.

I love science fiction... thanks for the article...

People started to believe in everything, I'm not surprised that they believe in Matrix.

never been facinated with sciene fictoin, cos if science fiction would come to reality, then it will be great

Related to Matrix life have a look at the holographic principle. In a couple of years it can be mainstream inf because a lot of researches are been done in that area: are we hologram s or not ? I think you already heard about interferometers.
Regarding why any alien civilization didn't contact us I found an extremely simple answer: Google why aliens did't contact us ant analogy. Should be something from Quora.

Related to why 2 civilizations don't make any contact there is an interesting theory of the most important Scifi Chinese writer. It's like Isaac Asimov for China. The theory is called: dark forest theory.

Good post. Thanks.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Nicely written, you've my upvote. But I dissent in only one point the "economic" hindrance an alien civilization would have is an absurd.

Just as we are not sure how "lifeforms" would render somewhere else (what it look like a rock to us perhaps is a kind of vegetation, after all, WE are carbon based creatures); we cannot bet that other lifeforms would be DNA based... We are not capable of knowing how their economics would work, we've forged capitalism since the first man bartered a nice flintstone for a piece of meat.

We are "advanced" under our concept of civilization, but we cannot guess what alien civilizations would believe about us, perhaps we are no more than a worthless curiosity in the galaxy... "Why waste time there? There's nothing of use!"

Supply and demand is about much more than just currency. It's the wanting of things but not having them. It's the willingness to negotiate a trade. I don't know anyone that would spend half their life in a rocket just to get to another planet where there might be interesting things there. Our finite time alive is precious. It's scarce and thus valuable. Supply and demand comes into play when we decide how to spend our time. There is a very limited supply and we demand it for spending with family and friends, on learning skills, procreating, and other such desirable activities. Economics is about managing what you have against the pursuit of what you desire but lack.