I am not going to spend many words describing this issue as everyone can see exactly what has been going on for a very long time already.
What did they pay you guys when you sold all your morals and ethics?
That is the question I muse about after going through 30-40 posts today looking at this insanity.
For anyone interested, those numbers come from steemdata.com, using a small ruby wrapper I wrote.
Total votes in the last 30 days:
Total all-time upvotes:
Total all-time upvotes, unique accounts:
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Thank you for those data @inertia.
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uhh how is it shameful? if you earn the steem power some day to pay your own self $20 for upvoting your own post.. wouldn't you ? ? ? ? ? lololo good on them it's their steem power they can upvote themselves if they want to
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It may seem that way until you understand the reward pool. It is fixed in size and is divided based upon steem power and votes. If people up vote their own content then yes they are spending their steem power on themselves and decreasing the reward pool for every single other person in the process. So yes they can vote on themselves, and yes they can have their own little private room where they stare at their own reflection in mirrored walls and tell themselves how beautiful they are. While around them the world of steemit would wither and die. This is an intentional exaggeration yet it is what the outcome would be if everyone just said screw it, it's my steem power, and voted on themselves. It's the "I come here to listen to myself talk, and pay myself to talk" mentality. If your posts and comments are worthy the rest of us will vote on you as we see them. Likely not ALL of them, but that too would defeat the purpose. We will vote on the ones we like to say "Thank you, can we have more" and that will grow the platform. The Narcissism could kill it or at least slow/stunt it's growth.
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Spot on !
Why do you not support flagging this behavior here, then ?
https://steemit.com/steemit/@inertia/those-because-over-rewarded-flags#@dwinblood/re-inertia-those-because-over-rewarded-flags-20170221t051051408z
Do you really think the flagged posts were getting those inflated payouts because of good content ?
They are the result of collusion and that's pretty close to a self-vote in my book.
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I don't support collusion and gaming the system if it can be proven. It can easily become something people do way too fast and that they become "trigger" happy. Once it is done it can also turn into a permanent flag against someone, so they essentially become dead on the platform, and they will become vocal about it and perhaps leave with a lot of words which anyone who potentially reads the platform reads.
So people that were colluding or doing something and are caught need some way to redeem themselves as well.
The collusion can be actually self-vote by other accounts owned by the same person. Which I actually described in a post I wrote inspired by this post.
I recommend we not jump quickly to flagging ever and instead use it as a last resort. It does too much damage to the perception of the platform and it has and does lead to flag wars which are very bad for the platform.
I want the platform to grow. I could care less about the opinion of people about what they DISLIKE. If I go to buy any product I don't really care how many people dislike something, I care how many people actually like it.
I do like the 5 stars, 5 eggs system, which works pretty well for expressing dislike, etc without harming the product, but that is not what we have here.
However, I wrote a post about this after commenting here, my post if you WANT to read it covers my views on these things (at the moment)
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seems like a lot of jealousy... unec. There are currently no whales who are only upvoting themselves and NOT upvoting others in the community. If they want to support the community and themselves, then why cry about it? after all it is their steem power to do with what they want.
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No cry. It is me trying to be reasonable. Explain what it does to the platform as a whole. It certainly does nothing to encourage other content creators. It is very much like narcissism.
I actually only heard about it. There WAS one whale I saw doing this more than a month ago and the person who noticed it and myself challenged him on it. As far as I know he stopped doing it.
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I am not jealous of what people make. Self voting seems like it may be a bit of that though. I simply care about steemit and making it as positive and supportive of growth as possible. This is why I've been vocal about subjective down voting. I've only been vocal against up voting when a whale that justified taking reward from people with flag because he said it was taking from the reward pool would then turn around and up vote his own comment with multiple accounts to $8 and such. That was pretty hypocritical. I know a lot of people that up vote their own posts for visibility, I actually did this when I first started here until I learned that I only have so much voting power at full power per day. So by focusing on myself I was limiting my effectiveness in voting on people making content I really wanted to see more of. For it is good content that will bring people here, and the more people that come here the more valuable your steem power will be if it is truly the money you are worried about. I am not worried about the money. So there is no jealousy from me towards ANYONE who will justify doing harm to the platform for purely selfish reasons. I'm also okay with selfishness to a certain degree. We must look out for ourselves. Yet there is a difference between selfishness and envy based greed. So is it worth the amount you can give yourself for the long term effect of actually decreasing the value of the platform overall?
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It is their right, but it certainly impacts desire to invest. At about $7000.00 per penny of influence I still think the price is hugely over valued, if that is what creates value.
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if the price of steem is high - your influence is higher too, your votes are worth more $$$.
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Nope I don't vote my posts or comments, sounds kind of desperate... "the community doesn't vote for my post so I have to upvote my own to earn rewards."
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It is shameful because we already get CURATION-REWARDS for upvoting posts and comments. It is Shameful because these SHARKS take the AUTHOR-REWARDS+CURATION-REWARDS and put it in their own pockets on behalf of everybody else. Then they go to the market and DUMP them coins and lower the price until their WHALE-BAG and everybody else BAG is WORTHLESS!
It is STUPID PRACTICE - Like PEEING AGAINST THE WIND, or SAWING OFF THE BRANCH YOU SIT ON!
The Good people of Steemit has a common goal to INCREASE THE USER MASS and INCREASE THE PRICE OF STEEM. And these BAD SHARKS are working against the will of the OCEAN!
Am I making myself clear to you, or should I go on with more funny anecdotes and rarities like a 4 year old to make you understand?
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you aren't speaking my lang
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it isn't within the interest of ANY whale to decrease the price of steem lol
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increase user mass is what i think is key.. seems to have stalled!
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if a 4 year old could figure out how to operate steemit and btc that would be impressive AF. Thanks for showing your maturity in bringing insults into the game! stick to complaining because insults def aren't your forte LOL
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Thanks for highlighting this. Here is an example from the same category, same day.
My post first is not on the Trending page but it has collected 109 votes and $10.65.
This one has collected 91 votes and $0.67 is on the trending page
Courtesy of upvoted comments - two of which come from the poster
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and it looks like the other valuable upvoted comment is from an interested party. I have not bothered to do Google Translate on the text.
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this doesn't make sense? how can a .67 post make it to trend but not the higher one? so trending posts are going by upvotes now? is that some new change that just hpnd?
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Just a few minutes ago, you seemed to be telling others how it should work...?
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It has always been like this. The trending page is based on adding together the votes on the post and the votes on the comments to that post.
This opens scope for less visible self voting. Do not self vote your post but self vote comments especially once you have got a comment from somebody else.
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please DO NOT upvote with 100% this comment!
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lol
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Shame!
Resteemed!
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Upvoted and following.
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It seems like one technique that could address this is the in ability to up vote your own content. Some people may be against this. I am not for I don't see it as actually hurting the platform. We up vote each other for things we like and as thanks for making content. The more content we make, and the more we engage in discussion in the comments the more it grows the entire platform. That is what makes this place truly great. I didn't know this had become an issue until I saw your post. I saw some people doing this a month or so ago, but I didn't know it had spread beyond the one person I saw doing it. I also know there are people that up vote their own comments for visibility. I did that too when I first started until I realized due to a limited number of votes for maximized vote power I was reducing my chance to do good for the platform when I voted for myself. I haven't done that since. Yet, this could still be gamed even if we could not up vote our own content. Simply create one or more accounts and up vote our own stuff. So I remove my idea ABOVE to remove self voting. I believe changing of minds based upon rational discussion is the way to go if we can achieve it. I may be expecting too much and it may be a pipe dream/fantasy, but I'd rather go that route before proposing inflicting change on everyone due to a few narcissistic individuals.
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LOL as you self-upvote this post..
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The last 30 days I have upvoted 70,365 posts+comments by 6205 Unique authors including myself. How many have you voted for, what have you done?
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you sound like a control freak worrying about how other people are experiencing steemit, go and see my activity and you'll see i am very active :D but you are criticizing others for upvoting their own post.. but yet you hypocritically upvote yours. i hope im a whale one day and you bet your ass i will be upvoting myself after all that hard work to get myself there and i guess hwen that day comes youll be there to criticize me for it? lololol see you then@
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lets also make a distinction here though are you complaining about them upvoting their own posts or upvoting their own COMMENTS? LOL
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the comments of course:
https://steemit.com/cn-programming/@oflyhigh/steemit-sp
https://steemit.com/steemit/@transisto/trending-is-broken
See more at: https://steemit.com/trending
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it all makes more sense now and i agree! that's shady not contributing anything to the site and then upvoting your own comments.. but i am sure they are also upvoting others too no? anyways, i mean you can upvote your comments if you want to but comments aren't what is going to grow steemit, the posts are! so i think separate pools would be a good idea here, 1 for comments and 1 for posts
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Since my account is doing autovoting on posts, I have to invidually vote comments instead, and I think I'm doing that pretty darn often. :) Instead of upvoting posts, if a post is interesting to me personally I re-steem it. Not sure if I am doing this wrong but it's been fun anyawya.
Edit: I haven't figured out what to do with my second account yet. It would be interesting if I made it vote 100% everything I re-steem on @gamer00. I guess that is doable.
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I understand your point of view and I agree with it, but I do have an observation, maybe I am being dumb, but whenever I post something it shows that I up voted the post, something I have never done (why should I? My vote isn't worth much) could this be the case with a number of these up votes, or am I missing something?
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Upvoting your own blog-post is OK, that is a default function.
The problem here is people who do not upvote other peoples blog-posts, but instead go into the comment-section and write 40 comments (spam) that he upvote himself. By exploiting the system like that, he drain a part of the reward-pool in a way that is nonbenefitial to the platform, the bloggers, and not even himself.
People leave the games of Monopoly, Poker, Ludo, Chess - When someone is cheating.
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Amen !
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is it ace?
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What ? i didnt know you could upvote your own comments lol. even if u did, does that really have any impact on ur steem/ reach?
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Yes of course it has. It is a cunning way of draining the reward pool undetected by people who watch the trending page... Well until now, everything is exposed now.
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who are these whales? why not call them out? i dont see a single one only supporting themsleves and not also supporting/voting for the community?
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I've been busy recently, but I thought the idea of SteemIt, was to create an investment opportunity differentiated from other crypto coins, by the social media POW and utilizing the block chain and the blogging/social media site?
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Well, there are people who will game the system to their advantage, and it is our job to expose that and fix that before we can get out of Beta and have a good well balanced steem platform.
Maybe a blockchain rule @dan - set a ratio on how many unique accounts you upvote per day to allow you to vote for yourself? Like 10:1 or something
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i heard the new changes, new hardfork changes, are making two separate reward pools is that not correct? one for comments and one for posts? wouldn't that fix this problem?
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It will help. People then can make a post and comment to themselves a bunch of times and up vote their own comments and then that'd pretty much be the end of the comment reward pool. It would totally defeat the purpose of why it was split which was to encourage discussion and offer a reward for that type of activity.
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