I'm sure if I posted this:
as the lead picture in my next post... it would get downvoted as being NSFW (if it made the top of the trending page.)
What makes the picture of this sexually powerful man "low" or "cheap"?
Nothing.
However it's understandable that people might not want it as the lead image for a fledging site looking for mass appeal. It doesn't need to be driven by an anti feminine (or anti masculine) agenda.
It may not be anti feminine or anti masculine but it is something negative driving the response. It's conditioning in a misogynistic world because men are terrified of not having control. It's the same thing as saying I support peace or I'm anti war, you can support peace and the originating place will be one of positivity, but if you're anti war it will always be a negative that's spawned the result. So it may not be anti feminine or anti masculine but that's not the issue, the issue is the anti in the first place and in my humble opinion it is very anti to promote censorship of something where all that's needed is a quick scroll.
EDIT I should add I grouped all men together and that's not actually what I mean. I'm more speaking into how I personally view the majority. nothing but a subjective viewpoint.
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My point was someone taking the "pro" stance of wanting Steemit to gain mass appeal, could understandably downvote posts that contain a lead image that is NSFW (that haven't been tagged as such). I do not see the relation between such actions and the man (or woman) downvoting being conditioned "in a misogynistic world because men are terrified of not having control."
It may not be something negative driving the response. Someone can quite easily like the image. They can like the fact that @sean-king is a fantastic photographer and be inclined to upvote the post on the basis of the image alone (were it tagged as NSFW). Yet downvote it because they want images with mass appeal on the site homepage.
Presupposing "conditioning in a misogynistic world" or that being "anti" is wrong conflates the issue, in my opinion.
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Oh by all means bringing in a personal opinion about how I view the world is 100% conflating and convoluting the issue, you're totally right. I guess let's stick to the basics which is what defines what is and is not NSFW? We can say anything showing a a nipple, ass or genitals is NSFW but then what about the grey area. The area where it's merely a tiny piece of fabric covering, what about if the fabric is see through, there's that grey area and it's always about the grey area.
It also seems like logical arguments can be made on both sides as well once we get to this point, same category victimless crimes fall under. It becomes really subjective, which goes right back to the question what constitutes NSFW when it comes to the human body and sexuality? Then we just need to make sure people tag it as such but the definition is the issue, should we take a democratic vote lol.
I would just like to say that even if someone down voted based on the fact they wanted mainstream appeal on the front page, they'd still be coming from a place of negativity. They believe it will hurt or harm therefor they believe they have the right to censor, still negative. Reasons are different but the come is the same, same principle when mother Teresa was asked if she'd march against war and she said no but she would march for peace.
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You're correct to say NSFW is subjective. It's dependent on 'where you work.' and is a matter of degrees.
I'm not sure that the "coming from a place of negativity" argument holds much weight. People are often "anti" (opposed to) an action that they deem as destruction.
e.g.
Anti-war
Anti-bullying
Leaving the merits of the stance to one side, I'm not sure how much people can effectively be for something if they are unwilling to take a stand against it's polar opposite. For example, if I'm for the non-aggression principle yet unwilling to act when some is being bullied (through fear of being perceived "negative"), I'm an ineffective proponent of that value. As Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [and women] to do nothing.”
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I agree in general, but not with respect to @cogliostro and @rainman. Were they acting for the reason you suggest, a simple downvote with a note "please tag as NSFW" would have sufficed. In their case, they took a very anti-female stand--using words like "low", "cheap trick", "click bait" and "broad". If their issue was merely with my failure to tag as NSFW, the attempted personal shaming would have been completely unnecessary.
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Fair point.
Edit: But I don't think it was @cogliostro's or @rainman's point.
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Actually I'd say @nanzo-scoop pretty much nailed my thoughts on the matter.
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If so, then a simple downvote with a note "please tag as NSFW" would have sufficed. Instead you and @cogliostro took a very anti-female stand--using words like "low", "cheap trick", "click bait" and "broad". If your issue was merely with my failure to tag as NSFW, the attempted personal shaming would have been completely unnecessary.
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NSFW is it's own monster... stuff not in NSFW that should be is destructive to the reputation of the Steem network as a whole.
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U so cheeky ;X
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