What you suggest we do? 80% of Steemit is spam and plagiarism.
Got ideas? I'm all ears. Blacklist an account, they create another one.
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Well it's work and usage would fall but what about white listing? Say something like, new users can only use the service at its minimum payout level for say the first 3 times, then their limits increases after a human takes a look at the previous three posts? Sort of a semi moderated reputation system within the bot.
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There is a certain level of entertainment that goes on around here. It's a big part of the business. When trying to entertain, and abuse is taking place even if it's something as simple as a songrequest feature, you take that feature away from the users til you can correct the issue. If you can't correct the issue then perhaps it may not be worth doing.
This would also take further thought, because I am not exactly wanting you to shut down your profitable business but if your profitable business is hurting the community, we are all a part of the same community. Even if you have your own little community set up in one corner, if your community is hurting, so is mine and vice versa. We are in this together, it is us. It's not you and me and this guy and that guy. It's us, all of us.
I think one thing that brings value, and what brought me, to the platform was the idea of manual curation. If 80% of the people using your service are plagiarists and abusers, why should 90% of the entire community suffer to benefit 20% of your community when we're all in the same community? Or is it that 80% of STEEMIT as a whole are abusers, thus making it hard to bar 80% of the accounts from using your upvote service? This just tells me that buying upvotes isn't exactly working as expected.
So when you ask for a solution, I am honored to have your ear and hopefully I can give you ideas now and in the future because we are all in this together and it is up to us to come to a solution when presented with a problem in a decentralized environment. When it comes to automated curation, I just don't think STEEMIT is there yet.
Proper automated curation would probably fall under the term Artificial Generated Intelligence (AGI) which yes I am literally pointing at SingularityNET and Sophia the Robot because what you are trying to accomplish with upvote bots is a system of artificial intelligence.
With that said, it is important to know that in most cases, cheatahbot and steemcleaners probably don't communicate with eachother autonymously in the same way that AI (Sophia the Robot) plans on communicating with other AI like herself in the future.
I am not sure if your bots uses a SQL database to get Steemit data, but some kind of solution needs to be made. It is a hard problem to solve in the name of decentralization but if we want automated curation then AI implementation is really the only way to go. Blacklists are only temporary, can cause problems and can be biased. which means we need more people working on it and more time spent/wasted on flagging or adding people to a blacklist, whether it is a central blacklist site that all upvote bots adhere by.
It doesn't solve the problem of the user being able to create an account, but doing nothing in the name of profit just seems like the wrong approach. Obviously you agree in some way because you're open to suggestions.
Again I don't exactly want you to have to shut down your service but maybe even a temporary one to hurt the plagiarists a little. I know even making such a suggestion might even be rage inducing and completely out of the question, which means even for automated curation, you can't fully depend on automated curation. At least for the time being, so literally policing every post that gets promoted should be checked. It eliminates automated curation but still allows you to sell upvotes.
I don't quite believe in it, because I think buying an upvote defeats the purpose a little. I think it creates false value. An illusion. The abusers see it and they take advantage, and cash out to bittrex every time.
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I agree, vote selling by its very nature hurts the purist ideals of the platform..
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@themarkymark good to see a larger player in the game on the article... Thanks for commenting and I'm sure there are solutions. The most probable one and its early this a.m. so my brain is not 100% is essentially quality control. That would eliminate a large portion of the garbage. The problem with the bots is that they automatically perform their tasks regardless of content quality.
This is efficient for the bot owner as it allows them to be hands off and generate revenue much like I do with ubercart and my many websites that sell digital products, courses, classes books etc.. That said and my market is a bit different I have no control over whom my customers are as anyone that checks out and has paypal gets what they pay for.
The same applies here. Perhaps the only solution would be to unautomate the bots bots in some fashion with additional code that limits max upvotes per day, or requires some form of human interface prior to an upvote such as an "are you sure" pop up or something. Again likely unreasonable as many the run the bots are also highly influential members of the site and are less than motivated to take a course of action that could limit their steady profit stream.
The most likely probability is that like the market, them all being on one side of the trade will bring it to its knees and swing it the other way and turn Steemit into the next myspace. As there is competition for this niche Synero AMP, WildSpark etc. It is most likely that without intervention of some sorts, the bot owners promoting the shit content will bring about their own demise and loss of steem value as the quality of the site continues to plummet into shitsville.
No matter how you slice it, some form of stricter moderation is needed here. The anarchist principle is good in theory but not when running a business enterprise. There needs to be direction, policies and penalties. Also if you like the article, or it inspired thought.. toss an upvote..
Thanks.
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I was about to go to bed and saw your comment here. There is one thing that really stood out to me that you said. It was Quality Control.
Quality control is so important. The lack of quality control involved with the rewards pool and more importantly, the buying of upvotes is astounding.
By astounding I mean astronomical. This is coming from someone who knows all about quality control.
I was a Land Surveyor. I still have the skill to go do a Land Survey of your property. It is a skillset that I've retained and I won't forget.
Being a Land Surveyor requires so much Quality Control it's ridiculous. When I set a property corner, my accuracy needs to be within a few hundredths of an inch. 0.03. Even that is too much. We want 0.00 to 0.01 (especially with a property corner)
When I set the corner to a building, along with the height in which the concrete slab will sit at. The precision required for this is within 3 hundredths of an inch. Zero room for error. Quality Control is a must, because without it, the engineers build the corner half a foot into the easement. Then they have to knock the building down. Failing to adhere to strict Quality Control protocols is detrimental to any business. Steemit functions a lot like a business.
Before I pick up my equipment, I must perform a backcheck. This is by pointing a laser at a traverse point. If I am off by more than 10 seconds of a degree I have to document it, and try to find out at what shot I bumped my gun. A car driving by rattling its exhaust, or a harley davidson, could shake my gun enough to throw my traverse point off by 2 miles. Quality control is a must.
If you think you can overlook quality control, you're overlooking a key concept to a successful business.
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Very true.. QC is everything.. I am familiar with your tools.. In the Marine Corps we worked with the D&S (drafting and surveying) guys a lot with their little tripod and gun for laying out defensive positions.. stuff has to be exact for sure...
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