Karl Marx is Overrated

in socialism •  7 years ago  (edited)

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Karl Marx is the most overrated socialist writer ever. There’s virtually nothing in Marxism that is original. The ideas for which he is best remembered are not original at all. The “theory of surplus value” was espoused by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon before Marx ever dealt with the subject. The concept of the “immiseration of the proletariat” was espoused by Louis Blanc. The model of State Socialism, where government takes over and runs industries, was also an idea espoused by Blanc. Blanc also made the observation that capitalistic production tends to create disequilibrium of supply and demand, leading to crises of overproduction or underconsumption and that this tendency causes capitalistic nations to need an ever-expanding market. The notion of the “withering away of the State” and the ‘governing of men giving way to the administration of things’ was espoused by Henri de Saint-Simon. The idea that a relatively small clique or vanguard should conspire to take over the State and usher in the dictatorship of the proletariat is eerily similar to Louis Auguste Blanqui’s proposal. If Marx was original at all, it was merely in combining various competing socialisms into a new type of socialism. Unfortunately, he tended to latch on to the most authoritarian and anti-democratic strains of socialism.

Marx also introduced economism and Hegelian religious nonsense into his socialism. Large parts of “Capital” read like something that could have been written by Carl Menger or Murray Rothbard. Marx gets overly caught up in economistic drivel and pedantic nonsense, which consequently makes reading certain of his writings utterly dreadful. The worst part is that Marx latches most firmly onto classical economics in the places where it is most painfully incorrect. The “labor theory of value” is dwelt on forever, when the gist of what Marx was trying to say could have been said better if he would have thrown out the labor theory of value and drawn a simple distinction between the cost of production and the price at which the final product is sold, while insisting that labor produces wealth. In fact, this is an approach taken by some later Marxist writers.

Then there is the fact that orthodox Marxism really is a defunct and obsolete theory. The message of “The Communist Manifesto” is essentially wrong. The immiseration of the proletariat hasn’t taken place, because social democrats have been able to push through ameliorative reforms that kept the proletariat from becoming so impoverished that it had no choice but to rebel. Minimum wage laws, laws regarding safe working conditions, and other reforms have saved the workers from becoming so immiserated/impoverished, and so the workers do not feel a huge need to rebel and overturn the existing system. Eduard Bernstein’s critique of orthodox Marxism and revision of Marxian ideas along “evolutionary socialist” lines makes much more sense, as do the ideas of the Fabians. And there is much to be said for Murray Bookchin's notion that the revolutionary class of tomorrow will not be the working class, but rather the people who can't find work. Guy Standing's idea of the precariat replacing the proletariat is a valid observation. And the fact that Marx clung so dearly to Hegel that he ended up espousing a sort of “Calvinism without God,” turning Marxism into a quasi-religious ideology, really doesn’t help his case. The pedantic dialectical approach, which has its value and should not be abandoned, was turned into a sort of religious dogma, rather than a mere analytical tool. His Hegelian ideology led him to espouse a most unscientific socialism. Marx called his theory “scientific socialism,” not because he followed the scientific method, but merely because it was dialectical and materialist. Dialectics is not scientific as much as practical. Materialism is a metaphysical creed, not science.

Marx is still interesting and perhaps worth reading. His analysis of the "primitive accumulation of capital" is on point, in spite of Peter Kropotkin's valid critique of it. The problem with Marx is that he overshadows all the other socialist writers, so that people think "Marxism" whenever they hear "socialism." The result is that other socialist theorists, who are more libertarian and more scientific, are forgotten and ignored. If you really want a good understanding of socialism, you also need to read Peter Kropotkin, Eduard Bernstein, George Bernard Shaw, and Abba Lerner, all of whom had much more democratic and libertarian approaches than Marx did.

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Excellent article. Marx is the most popular simply because those who quote him the most understand socialism the least.

The article is not that excellent. The author seems to be christian, thus, a lot of socialist religious ones where name droped in it, the article.

First, Marx himself was not a marxist, actually he hated them: >The bad about Marxism is the Marxist!< Second, one has not to be part of a group to have partition or to support one.
Oho, Libertarian arguements are just anarchist. The only power they believe in is the money they can accumulate. Actually libertarian ideology is anarcho-capitalism, which is capitalism without any states because everything is a corporation, which is just fascism as Mussolini stated once.
So what? It is irrelevant whether somebody thinks Marx is overrated and tell that the free market and free trade as the ideology libertarianism is should be the best ... O God! xD

You are so off base. Firstly, I'm an atheist and a Darwinist. Secondly, I'm interested in revisionist marxism, Fabian socialism, civic republicanism, and libertarian socialism. Libertarianism, classically speaking, is/was communist anarchism and collectivism/mutualism. The term "libertarian" was coined by Joseph Dejacque to describe communist anarchism. So, libertarian socialism refers to the ideas of Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Bookchin, et al. American libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism is entirely different. Classical libertarianism is a left-wing ideology. My own ideas are influenced mostly by Philip Pettit, Eduard Bernstein, Fabian Essays in Socialism, David Graeber, Noam Chomsky, Murray Bookchin, Henry George, and Thomas Paine. I align closely with the ideas of Scott Santens and Martin Farley, the basic income advocates.

For the record, I'm not saying Marx is bad, just that he's overrated and has eclipsed more interesting figures like Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bernstein, Blanqui, Shaw, et al. Also, the Lange-Lerner model of socialism is more interesting. Marxism and Marxists have dominated socialist thought and tended to eclipse other more interesting ideas. And, if you had read my other works, you'd know that I am definitely not a right-wing "free-market libertarian." I actually fall closer to being a social democrat, but much farther to the left.

Also, btw, I mentioned right-libertarians (Rothbard & Menger) specifically to criticize their economism, not to endorse their ideas. And I criticizes Marx for sounding too much like a right-libertarian in certain parts of his economic analysis.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

First, thanks you answered.

Why is your name ekklesiagora? Church from Mountain or Gora (Poland)?

Marx has not founded Marxism to be clear. Marxist are really dogmatic and not open to new ideas, that's right, but Marx mentioned this anyway. I do think that Marx has not eclipsed Proudhon or Proudhons ideas, he actually refered to them.

Sorry if I insulted you.

Ekklesiagora is "ekklesia" plus "agora". This name was chosen because I was really into Murray Bookchin and partially because I was into Proudhon. In ancient Athens, the "ekklesia" referred to the democratic assembly, where the people made decisions through direct democracy, and the "agora" referred to place where the democratic assemblies were held. At the same time, agora holds a dual meaning, as it also means "marketplace" or "market". It's the place where people assembled to do decision-making but also for trade. I was into mutualism, and still am into markets, so agora held that secondary meaning. Basically, ekklesiagora was chosen because I advocate participatory assembly democracy and a market system. However, while I advocate markets, my thought is influenced by Proudhon, Keynes, and Hyman Minsky, so I basically think that markets need to be regulated and that corporations and banks need to be regarded as public or partially public institutions or else regulated in a way that is functionally isomorphic to partial public ownership.

You should check out this post where I talk about Marxism in more detail: https://steemit.com/socialism/@ekklesiagora/the-history-and-future-of-social-democracy

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Karl Max belonged to a area where there were limited opportunities in a primarily agrarian economy with wide spread exploitation, information dissemination was difficult and people with power had a out sized influence over common man.

It was relevant at that time and it is not great to see him ridiculed with a modern day lens

I never said that he wasn't relevant at the time. I simply think he was/is overrated. Even put in historical context, he was overrated. Certain of his contemporaries were better socialist theorists. And Marx was arrogant and dishonest, imo. His critique of Proudhon in The Poverty of Philosophy, for instance is just blatantly intellectually dishonest. He intentionally misrepresented Proudhon's ideas, and even misquoted him at times. While being bourgeois himself, he criticized working class socialists for being bourgeois. And even when new developments showed that orthodox Marxism was obsolete, he refused to really revise his theories much. I mean, Marx and Engels both knew Eduard Bernstein and were familiar with his approach. Marx seems to have been a man of low moral character and to have been a bit egotistical. People should still read Marx, but they shouldn't place as much emphasis on him as they do. They should study pre-Marxist socialism too. People should focus more on the forgotten socialists, Blanc, Blanqui, Saint-Simon, Proudhon, etc.

We know marx's name because the banksters wanted us to know marx's name.

I found this really informative. I'm only starting out on my journey to understand socialism and I'll keep this article in mind throughout my education.