Just another post about spam and voting

in spam •  7 years ago 

Recently there have been many posts about Spammy Accounts


Personally, I have been trying to do some clean up as I move around the site.  If I notice a spammy/scammy post, I will flag it.   Tonight, I am finding minnowbooster and other accounts have voted on the posts, making them expensive to flag.  I don't like to play police, but the one photo that only takes a few seconds to google search posts are easy targets.



I blame the careless voters.  (This is not about bots, bad votes can be done manually)

New users join SteemIt and are taught what expectations the community has regarding earnings.  We all have a different tolerance for Spam and comments as we have been discussing for weeks and months....  So, I am not going to tell you what you should tolerate, but consider it the voters responsibility if there are rewards from the same voting programs on post after post from some users that only have one photo (easily searched) and not theirs and various other spammy, scammy accounts.

I am not going to spend hours looking for scammers, it isn't my thing, but if they are obvious, I am also going to consider holding the voters accountable.  I don't have a problem with vote buying, I have an issue with bad content getting voted up often, so maybe the pay for voting systems should put some money into helping pay for the clean up that such programs are creating, and voluntarily those programs supporting mainly minnows should do some spot checking to ensure they are not voting up too many problem accounts.

With your vote you are paying people for their content.  There is no reason people can't stay on SteemIt and post things that are interesting to them, the problems tend to develop when they start expecting to earn while doing that. Helping minnows who produce great content to get noticed is a good thing (IMO).  Paying people to post other people's pictures without meaningful discussion, descriptions, etc. my opinion is not a good thing.

This is meant to be a conversation starter, I am not advocating fees for paid upvoters, just thinking maybe they would like to contribute to the clean up case or they can take a few flags themselves to adjust their REP accordingly.

What are your thoughts.  I want my actions to support the growth of traffic and keep the site usable, it is a tough balance and I find my opinions change a bit with my mood.  Conversations about such things usually help me to solidify how I feel about them.



Don't forget my plea to upvote meaningful comments as I think we would have less spam if we did a better job of rewarding the conversations that happen on SteemIt.  Vote for POR - Proof of Reading.

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Hi there,

I agree that there are a lot of copy and paste posts on this site, which take no skill or time to complete. I have seen bits such as Cheetah which is combating the issue, but people especially the new need to take a good look at these posts and at least check for references to the original picture or contents owner!

Thank you for your post 😊

Personally, I don't care about time or difficulty, it is more about interesting and relevant, but I agree over all!

When I look at a post and go "wow that must've taken some time to write" or "them pictures taken are one of a kind" or even just a great story these can be easily seen and I find it interesting knowing this 😊

Thank you for your reply

I applaud you and believe that the community should be a bit more responsible. The major problem is that there is no protection from revenge flags and abuse. I wonder if there is a way to safeguard against this...

Yeah, I am expecting some soon. I don't have a solution, but if everyone just starts to flag... Then everyone will get over the huge butthurt they feel when someone gets flagged.

Agreed but some of this programs make that people like myself who shares some things earn a small bit more.

I am glad you can earn more and I am not opposed to the voting bots, I just think they have to take some responsibility for what they upvote.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Totally agree, for my short time on the platform I can definitely see the ones gaming the system. I think it's also a factor of those that introduce others to Steemit as a quick money maker and show them how to earn without really investing in the community. We might be able to morph some to contributing members but it might be difficult... We all just need to be wary and be ready to call them out. Some will change others will not.

Wouldn't it be awesome if payforvotes and minnowboosters had some sort of minimal word count threshold before they voted. Like there should at least be 50 words or somwthing in a post to be elligable for boosters etc. That would eliminate any 'easy' spammy posts.

Just thinking out loud here ...

Some criteria would be good, but I am not a fan of words for the sake of words. I wish bots could detect uniqueness or creativity.

Yeah it's not the best criteria. But it might be coupled with @cheetah or what not. I'm sure there is some way devisable to 'recognize' effort, uniqueness & creativity. Perhaps there's been research into certain keywords or what have you ...

Interesting. My former company paid a huge amount of money to study what makes people come back to websites. The answer was strange. Faces had a huge impact. (What site does that remind you of?)

Secondly a feeling of accomplishment. Also, our application was a work based application. When we started showing progress instead of problems the usage doubled.

Our application was meant to read their data and give them a report. (original version gave a red highlighted report of errors, we switched to show what they were doing right, and added an error page they had to go to, it was strictly UI, no changes in functionality, just display) We doubled our end-users and customer satisfaction was known industry wide.

It is a long way to say, when you make people feel good, they come back. Being ignored doesn't make people feel good.

I like this!

You're right. A lot of people a expecting to be paid for post they made without any effort. They just take a random picture on google, and then they use randowhale or other voting bots. And then there are people who put a lot of work into their post, and never get noticed. That's one of the sad part of Steemit. That's why everybody that has enough SP should use it wisely, and find great and original content creators.

I still never used the flag system, but do you think I should? There is so many spam posts that I would get my voting power drained. I prefer to use it to upvote good content... Hard choice. What's your tactic? Do you use 50/50 upvote/flag?

I mainly upvote. I don't have a specific ratio. I just flag when I get annoyed. lol

@whatsup,
Whales flag means bu** hurt :D Yeah spammers are there and flag is the best option for the, but it should only for real spammers.
Thanks for this post!

Cheers & Upvoted~

Paying people to post other people's pictures without meaningful discussion, descriptions, etc. my opinion is not a good thing.

This stems from an understanding of what Steemit.com is:

  • Is Steemit's raison d'etre primarily a social network, a blogging platform?
    One gets paid for content, blog posts & comments. The focus is on producing content not only on earning Steem.
  • IAn alternative method of mining?

Miners are transactional #UpVoteForUpVote #FollowForFollow. The focus is on earning Steem. The content is incidental to earning Steem.

Friggen hate SPAM. Good on you for doing this and informing us.

& for that, you get my Upvote & a Resteem

I may flag obvious abuse of the system, but I can't counter big votes from others. I just want to discourage behaviour that will destroy any reputation Steemit has. If it ends up full of junk then it will never take off and a great opportunity will be lost. It's up to the users to decide what sort of platform they want. Don't let greed wreck it.

I'm kinda worried I might be a culprit, I'm just trying to boost myself up a bit until I get a decent amount of exposure on my posts. I'm but a wee little minnow in a vast sea of steem.

@abso, lots of minnow support groups and areas. Check out discord and msp. https://steemit.com/minnowsupportproject/@minnowsupport/minnow-support-project

A great mentor of mine likes to say, practice how you want to play. If you are suddenly going to create great content, then start now.

As a minnow on day two of my discovert of Steem, i have been trying to recognize content and follow people with something interesting to say. i may have cast a few misguided upvotes, but im voting on either writing or videos that i feel helped me along. like this post.

it certainly is frustrating to look at the introductions thread and see people who made $43 on their intro post while you have $0.12 but thats part of the game.

im here to get rich, but rich in information that helps me get rich in money elsewhere. i cant think i am going to pay off my house with blof posts and comments.

thanks for this post whatsup. it is a good note to be conscious of each decision we make on the platform!

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

keeping steemit healthy and informative that's what's all of our motto should be :)

Yeah, I have to agree. There is a lot of garbage posts floating around. I'm still new to steemit so I'm not sure what you mean by saying that it is expensive to flag posts that already have votes? Can't we just flag garbage even thou it has votes?

When flagging my "down-vote" holds the same weight as my up-vote, so if I flag away rewards I have to try to balance that with my voting power.

As a newbie myself these kind of account instantly give send you some insignificant ammount of SBD to find about them, while i have no interest in them there are a lot of people who join their dance.

The bots are voting the spams. I flagged one or two of them but decided it may not be my job to do so. Justice will soon be served.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Lately I've been of the opinion that the reason the price of steem keeps falling is because of all the spam and scam. I'm not even sure the answer because I'm really against the idea flagging. I feel like there should be some sort of training program so that the minnows learn how to post correctly.

But is the price of steem falling much? Or is it that Bitcoin is going up. We have lost a bit of USD value, but we haven't done anything to raise the price. We aren't in the news. We are a boring quiet little site right now, chugging our way into being more relevant.

It is very frustrating to create (relatively) good content, at least unique content that one spends hours writing, then receiving 0,50$, while posting a meme that takes 10 seconds pays you the same or even more.

I can certainly understand why people do that, or at least why many use short format post.

I don't see many memes trend or roll in lots of money.

Nope. Neither do I. But I do however see a lot of great content making 0,02$. While some memes makes 0,50$ What should the poor minnow do? :) I rarely see the work of any minnow with months of experience with rep between 50-55 bring in any big bucks on good content. There are some who are lucky enough to know whales who do that. But without connections it can be really hard. Sure, the best thing is probably to just continue to create good content and in time get more followers, recognition etc. But I see how short term thinking people would turn to quicker money.

Agreed. It is an issue. I do think cream rises to the top. So, it is a good thing to just keep posting good stuff while you wait to be discovered.

I take the 'Vote for POR' road, and ignore those who appear spammy, but I am small and have few comments to sift through. If I had alot of comments on every post I think I would start to get pretty aggravated with all the F4F and UV4UV and 'good post' comments.

I use the vote bots even though they don't sit all that well with me. I will continue to use them until I can swim without the water wings, so to speak.

I use them too, usually when I feel I have something important to say, or if I liked my own post.

Hi

It is incredibly annoying wading through 50 gazillion spammy posts to find good things to read and upvote, so it kinda sucks that this behaviour is being encouraged.

Normally I don't mind, but lately I agree it is too much "shit"

When you try to create good content , and you get 0.05 cents to your post , it makes a guy wonder if it's not better to post some memes for a quick buck . Good posts are beeing buried into a sea of spammy post , so it's so hard to find good content . Who is to blame ?

Well, the first thing I blame is just it is a new business model built in part on assumptions. If you are creating good content, which you do, then I notice and remember your name and have some respect for you. If you are posting memes, if I don't flag your post, I will also never remember you.

When you CREATE content, you RECEIVE the votes. People want to post and comment trash and want 100+ dollar payouts.

I agree with you. I have seen a lot of people spamming post and comments. They just copy content from somewhere and paste here in steemit.

you defently got a point here.

agree

everything is relative. Not only is what we see and the votes. the content . the influence. the money. The SP

I agree with you we should avoid it.

Nice🤗🤗🤗