Afterlife - I was asked my speculations on this subject... also a little on reality as a simulation

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I wrote a post on Deism yesterday and a bit about my amateur religious scholar background. I was asked by @dreemit to discuss my speculations on the afterlife. The keyword there is speculations as I personally believe none of us will actually know the truth about the afterlife until we die and get a chance to experience it.

If you missed the post yesterday. It is kind of a lead up to this one.

I used to ponder afterlife a lot more than I do now. Awhile ago I chose to look at life as an adventure. Each thing that happens good and positive are but pieces in this adventure. I decided that when I die that will hopefully be nothing more than another step in the adventure. This may not be the case, but if it is not then it is not something I would need to worry myself over. Since, I began approaching it more as something I'll some day get answers to I've speculated on it less.

I am quite good at making up completely new approaches to such things. I believe it came from writing, and from making games that had afterlife components, playing role playing games, studying a lot of religions, and discussing the subject with many people both sober people and not sober people.

I don't believe any written words about the afterlife are likely to be an accurate description of the afterlife. I do not believe in revealed religions as the post from yesterday (and above) explains in more detail. This does not mean these speculations may not have elements of the truth.

I have had some strange experiences in my life that have made me believe that there is something that occurs (or perhaps can occur) after we die. Some of my older posts that touch upon strange unknown things... Fair warning: I do not personally try to restrict myself from being able to ponder anything...
GHOSTS 001: Looking for ghosts was my adrenaline rush since I was very young - before they became popular and then overdone










Why the link salad above?


Those are all posts covering a variety of thoughts, and a variety of life experiences. You need not read them unless you are so inclined, but they do give hints that could relate to speculations on the afterlife. They could also tie into the reality as a simulation discussions that I have towards the end of this post.

I have several ideas concerning the after-life that could make sense with different information, observations, and discussions I have encountered in my life. It is possible multiple of my ideas could actually operate in tandem, or none at all.

Oblivion


When you die it ends. Game over. I've had enough hints that there are things that sometimes occur after death related to those that have died that I believe this is not necessarily true. I believe it may be true for some people. More on that later.

Dream Like


I've been so moved or been thinking so much about a thing before when I fall asleep that the thing I was thinking about invades my dream. If our brain and body are simply a tether for something else whether you want to call it your soul, your mind, your spirit, your astral body, your ethereal body, etc is irrelevant to me for this purpose. It is easy enough to consider there is something. What if when you are no longer anchored in your body the afterlife becomes more dream like? What if the things you believe at the deepest levels are the things you will experience, but more as a dream like state? So if perhaps you truly believe in oblivion, perhaps that is what you will experience. If you believe in heaven and hell and for some reason you don't tell people you secretly believe you deserve to go to hell. Perhaps that is what your dream like afterlife would be? If you believe in the Happy Hunting Grounds, perhaps that is what you will see. If you believe in Valhalla and the coming of Ragnarok then perhaps Valhalla is what you will see. If it is truly a dream like state how much of what we perceive may be shaped by our thoughts? Also, would this be endless, or would there be a point where you realize it is a dream and you voyage to a deeper truth that transcends these human literary creations for the afterlife?

The Body as a Tether


There is a radiant energy from our bodies. There are also those that believe in Chi, Ki, Kundalini, etc. Could our bodies trap us within a certain frequency of perception? Could the afterlife be the returning to a greater perception? Is returning a proper term? Perhaps if there is anything to reincarnation. Yet, it could also be viewed as awakening rather than returning.

If you have ever experienced ghosts or other things that are not easy to explain but so many people have described the same thing all over the world without interaction to be polluted by the imaginations of others then that leaves some questions. What are they? How did that happen? How did you know that name? It is easy to give into an Appeal to Authority for purely comfort reasons and accept an explanation from a fellow human. Yet people rarely ask, how does that person know this? Usually, it starts as a speculation, and at some point they believe their speculation is true. They do this with no actual evidence, testing, proof, etc. It is comfort. Some people are very uncomfortable with things they cannot explain. So rather than fighting to find an explanation, most of the time they settle for comfort. Perhaps it helps them maintain sanity. I don't know because, I am not like this. I am completely comfortable with encountering things I don't know. For me that just reinforces my idea that life and hopefully the afterlife are an adventure. Those are hints that there is a new mountain range I have never hiked somewhere off in the distance, as for a moment the clouds in the distance parted and I could see part of their peaks. This is true when I see the unknown as well. There is some hint at some new possible adventure in the future. This gives me comfort.

Mind is more than the brain


I wrote about this somewhere before, but I don't know if it was in the link salad I included on this post or not. We have heard cases of transplant recipients taking on traits of their host. This could be suddenly liking a certain food, certain music, etc. This happens when the organs are NOT the brain. We haven't managed to pull off a brain transplant. Yet that is also a strong indicator that we may not fully grasp what the MIND actually is. We like to describe it as being housed in the brain. I do believe the bulk of our memories and such are tethered/stored within the brain. Yet it also seems that we store memories, and other things in other parts of our body as well. Perhaps all parts. So if the MIND is a much bigger thing than we realize, do we know with certainty it is completely contained within our bodies?

World as a Simulation


The concept of reality as a simulation is a popular topic these days. It is being spoken of as profound and in many ways it is. Yet it also does not change much. If God(s) (choose a religion) created this then technically that would be very similar to a simulation anyway. The profound change with the simulation hypothesis is that if we are in something more akin to a computer simulation then it can leave the strange things that occur, and the way reality works more firmly understandable by science and by those of us alive. It becomes something that we ourselves could also be doing in the future, as our technology is on that trajectory. Yet it also opens up new fears. What happens when the person playing the simulation gets tired of watching it and decides to turn it off, or start over? I have little fear of that, because if that is indeed the case then when/if that happens we would likely all be instantly oblivious to it happening. All the knowledge gone (unless they saved...) all the creations torn down. That leads people who play things like "The Sims" to ponder the sadness of the worlds they destroy each time they erase their game and start over. ;)

If we are in a simulation it'd be difficult to know. I talk about this in some of the links below. Yet if we were to be able to detect it then we would need to look towards infinity. It should be at the edges of the MINIMUMS and MAXIMUMS that strange things happen. You could also look for glitches. Some of the things I wrote about above like the Underhill phenomena. Could those be glitches?



This is one of those subjects I could probably put myself into an endless cycle of going deeper and deeper and pondering new and bizarre ideas. I could also find some ideas that people will believe are safe.

If there is something to afterlife, ghosts, etc then once we have found a way to replicate consistently communication with such entities or a place we might get more viable answers. Until then all we can do is joyfully, or fearfully speculate.

I personally don't believe any books written on the subjects are the truth. They MAY hint at the truth. Yet I see them as people attempting to speculate on the unknown. There is nothing wrong with that. It only becomes wrong when a person changes speculation to TRUTH without any supporting proof or evidence.


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If there's something other than nothingness after death, it wouldn't be something that our human minds can comprehend, as it'd be an entirely different experience - if it could still be described as an experience..

And this just came up today. Enjoy it :)

Those are some very good views you have shared with us. I also pondered what happens after death many times in the past. However I have found no solid answer. I also appreciate the fact that you related reality to death. What I do know is I should be more focused on solving life. The best explanation I have found about what reality is "People live their lives based on what they accept as correct and true, that's how they define reality" -Itachi Uchiha (Naruto). That quote comes from an anime would you believe. I know of a tribe who only see 5 colours in the rainbow; reason being they only have names for 5 of the colours. I am currently writing a book and in my book (novel) I explain my theory of what happens after death.

The Big Picture - by Sean Carroll (physicist) will likely dispel some of the mysterious beliefs. ;)

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Really good post with some excellent points. I think we all would love to think there is something after death, however sadly I don't think we will ever know.
I don't think there is anything but generation after generation. Procreate, die, next generation and so on as nobody has ever come back to tell us different but what do I know

We will know. When we die. :) It will either cease to be, or it will be another step on our personal adventure.

For what it's worth, I believe that the life force (spirit, soul) is eternal. What you do in this life determines where you will spend eternity...This IS a test!

Could be. Yet all you/we are doing is speculating. That very well may be exactly what it is. Yet there is no way to prove or disprove it YET. So all I do is acknowledge that it is speculation. That does not mean it is wrong.

You're absolutely correct. There are probably almost as many theories as there are people. Personally, I'm intrigued to find out. Seeing that I'll probably go before you, I'll send you a message lol!

If you can I'll try to keep an ear open so I can hear it. Though lady Random could send me before you too, so back at you.

I am sooooo glad I found you @dwinblood
We all eventually will find or get closer to the truth no matter who or what tries to hide it.

Thank you Sir, (tips hat)
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Frank

Thanks for the tip as well. I just saw that. It is appreciated.

Pleasure is ALL mine Sir.
Your work is valuable and one day if not already, others will take notice too!

Full Steem Ahead...
Frank

Islam is the true religion, and only God worthy of our worship.

No God is worthy of worship and a true God would never request it, require it, nor desire it.

To be a God would require one to be free of vanity, jealousy, anger and all other human attributes that prevent one from reaching enlightenment.

Yet all of these are attributes described explicitly in your scriptures and attributed to the God of all the abrahamic religions. Thus those who worship at that altar do not really worship God.

They've just been manipulated into worshiping a false idol. An anthropomorphism handed down to them from bronze age myths by their ancestors who were guillable enough to cede their will to the will of someone else. Which by the way is something cautioned against strongly in all scriptures.

Be not led astray by those who would lie to you to seek their own power. Seek the path of truth and you will know it is true, because it is always true in all places and at all times.

To believe in that requires one to discount any narrative which is internally inconsistent. It cannot be one way one time and one place and another way in a different time and a different place, if your God is truly yesterday, today and forever.

So my advice, quit worrying what others believe and seek truth for yourself first.

I strongly disagree. Yet I respect your right to believe as such.

I am a strong believe in GOOD IDEAS DO NOT REQUIRE FORCE.

If you must use force to get people to follow any religion, or to silence those that disagree then it likely wasn't a good idea.

I find too many obviously written by arrogant human parts to Islam, Christianity, and most organized religions.

You can worship who you want. I won't be worshipping anyone. Even if there is a creator I do not believe in worship. Nothing should need me to prostrate myself and bow to them. This smacks of arrogance, ego, and human frailty. If I am smacked down for it or sent to some hell... so be it. I will not let someone terrorizing me with fear for my soul convince me to prostrate and worship something either.

Also... which denomination of Islam is true?

I ask this of Christians too by the way. If Christianity is the word of God, then which of the 60,000+ denominations of Christianity in U.S. (at the time I started saying that) is speaking the true word of God.

I can say the same about Islam. Which one is the true word of God, for there are factions in Islam that fight among each other over that just as there are in Christianity.

"I decided that when I die that will hopefully be nothing more than another step in the adventure." _ This is fact.. It is the faith in heaven that gives good people a reason to be better and not become apart of the worlds wickedness.. God consumes fruit that is ripe and does away with that that is rotten...

I don't believe in Heaven. I don't believe in revealed religion. I do believe there is likely something to an afterlife, but I don't believe people writing in a book about what it is.

I am able to be good without the fear of heaven and hell. I do it because I want to, not out of fear.

EDIT: I am totally okay if you believe in Heaven though.

Yes I do believe in heaven. Heaven to me is judgement in death. You see, the reason Satan is so strong in this world, is because, he is trapped here. He can no longer enter the kingdom. Heaven is like the good eggs and hell is like the rotten. And God can only consume the good and not the rotten... Satan embodies the rotten and will not obtain everlasting life...The food we eat is dead but then lives on when we consume it..This is like our souls... There must be a hell for evil men that isn't as rewarding for the good. For true judgement does not exist in this life but only the next...

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