RE: Downvote Pool Deep Dive

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Downvote Pool Deep Dive

in steem •  6 years ago 

You weren't here to see the Whale Experiment, you would have a whole different view. You seem to think that there is a thing such as : whale behavior : but it's more of the same generalizing trap. If I were to ask exactly which whales and what percentage of whales do they account for I'm sure that you will be digging for figures and data that you have yet to consider.

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You weren't here to see the Whale Experiment ...

It seems I am already longer here than you think ...

You seem to think that there is a thing such as : whale behavior

I am not claiming whales were anyhow worse people than average, but having the power makes them more dangerous (if other people were on top, probably they wouldn't act less shortsighted in average). Thus I plead to institute a system that prevents flag abuse.

If I were to ask exactly which whales and what percentage of whales do they account for I'm sure that you will be digging for figures and data that you have yet to consider.

I could start listing names with an @ in front of them. Yes, I could do that, but then at the same time should be prepared for the end of my STEEM authorship. :)
Yes, maybe I will reach the point that I don't care their flaggs anymore ... and then you will get your list.

Actually, under this article one can observe it again: people (whales!) are flagging comments of other users just because they disagree with their opinion!
NOT because of any abuse or over rewarded posts.
That is our problem here.

You don't know WHY they are flagging, you only think you do, you again, do you even know that you don't know or are you so stubborn in your certainty that you won't consider it? There is no way to prevent people from abusing, be it upvotes or downvotes, exactly like there is no way to prevent theft, assault or murder. No system could ever exist that would be a sensible tradeoff, ever. I know this because people gave dealt with these problems for ever and absolutely nothing was ever thought of, let alone manifested in that regard. I'm not asking for names but data, percentages, quals for what you consider bad or abusive behavior, etc..

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You don't know WHY they are flagging

Lol, it's really hard to understand the way these 'gods' are thinking.

To be serious: come onnn, they are human like you and me and obviously cannot stand different opinions.
I can read and think very well. And when I read the flagged posts, they obviously contain no spam, abuse or over valued rewards.

For example elected committees with enough delegated SP could be a try to solve the problem of flag abuse.

The point is that you base it all on assumptions and correlation and not on anything concrete and I used that to point out that you don't know. I never indicated anything about them not being human, and frankly it doesn't matter Why they flag, a that matters is that you do not know and that you by all measures should very well know that you don't know, but alas you are foolhardy certain.

Yes, people already do that btw, without elected committees. So you're not really solving anything. Furthermore the point I was making that you so casually avoided is that you cannot generalize whales or their behaviors as if they act the same or as if they are acting against the best interests of the platform, especially when you don't have any data or figures to make it into a marginally correct assessment.

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No, it's very concrete what I see and read. Don't throw in any mystique where there isn't any. Whales are human, I know humans and their behaviour. I cannot only read the flagged posts but also the comments of the falagging whales. That tells me enough for judging their reasons.

Yes, people already do that ...

No, people don't do that, only whales dare to do it. That's why I said such a committee needed sufficient delegated SP.

Prove it, I will watch you flounder like a fish out of water trying to prove that you Know, not think, not assume, not believe, not "see", not "read", not "behavior" not "tells you enough" but Know, without a doubt that it is, so. And remember to prove that it's not only on the word of the actor but that it's irrefutable and that it's not a lie or distortion of the truth.

Yes people do that already. SFR.

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Prove it ...

Prove that you understood my comments, don't think, don't assume, don't believe, don't "see", don't "read", don't write. Prove it.

Then I prove, that I understood what I have read.

The problem is that you simply don't believe me that I can grasp the sense of comments I have read - a very normal thing in human communication. OK, I also don't believe that you can grasp what I wanted to say. You have to 'prove' it first.

Flag abuse is so obvious for example if a whale follows an account to flag every of its posts and comments automatically without even reading them.

What about proving that 2 + 2 (really) = 4?

From my side there is nothing more to discuss.

Yes people do that already.

No, they don't. They fear retaliation.

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Also, again, as I've repeatedly remarked, generalizing on how people act like what whales are is hardly an sound argument, it's called stereotyping, pigenholing, and is absolutely worthless as far as I'm concerned, much like many prejudices and biases are.

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I didn't say all whales were doing that, but I know some are doing it - with a devastating effect.

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