A Radically Updated Steem Whitepaper

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the Whitepaper revision to the current "state of the art." ;)

Regarding the discussions about the present level of abuse, please read and consider @mattclarke's extremely simple, well-reasoned proposal here:

PROPOSAL by @mattclarke

I believe that his proposed simple, single change - restoring the balance between content creation and curation - would decrease the self-voting "abuse" and simultaneously draw "reader/curators" to the platform.

Not everyone is — nor should they be — content creators. Restoring a good level of curation rewards would encourage thoughtful reading and discourage self-voting on worthless comments.

While I'm here, I will also repeat my perennial appeal:

Please implement the long-promised perpetual editability in the user interface.

Thank you for your consideration!

😄😇😄

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mattclarke (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for the plug, @creatr; and for your ongoing support. @timcliff has told me that a return to 50/50 split between authors and curators is something being discussed, although it's not clear if it will be sufficient to completely remedy the issue.
My other recent suggestion is not one I've seen fielded elsewhere, and would minimise the copy/paste spam while attracting some heavy hitters from outside steemit. (Perhaps for scaling reasons it would be best left on ice until after launch).

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Hey, Matt,

You're more than welcome...

Thank you for consistently presenting quality ideas. I have found your thoughts insightful, challenging, and inspiring, and (whenever I remember the source!) I'm always happy to credit your brilliance.

I just looked at your "comment regulator" post, and at first blush it also sounds like a winner. Please don't ever stop bringing your great observations to Steemit. ;)

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Agreed. I assume the reason it does not yet exist is there are game theory problems.
I hope they can be solved at some point...

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago

The game theory problems even with only a 25/75 split can never be solved.

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https://steemit.com/sip/@dan/escrow-sip-steem-improvement-proposal

mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

What happened to escrow transactions?

Steem escrow transactions would facilitate:

crypto-fiat exchange similar to that of localbitcoins.com
trade of real world goods and services similar to that of OpenBazaar
lending with Steem as collateral that could be powered up and delegated back to the borrower

SBD would provide a lot of convenience for pricing.

The exchange, trade and lending would all happen using only fiat and the Steem blockchain and thus bypass Bitcoin as a gateway cryptocurrency.

This should increase the number of active Steem users, which in turn should increase the value and price of Steem.

I may be wrong but if the Steem blockchain supports escrow transactions, why not add the feature to User Interfaces such as Steemit.com and see what happens.

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12 votes

snowflake (65) · 7 years ago

Steem escrow transactions would facilitate:
crypto-fiat exchange similar to that of localbitcoins.com
trade of real world goods and services similar to that of OpenBazaar
lending with SP as collateral that could be delegated back to the borrower

This, in my opinion is where developers should focus all their effort now.

It boggles my mind how no one has yet created a simple marketplace UI, where you can log in with your steem credentials and buy/sell anything without the outrageous ebay charges.
The escrow functionality has been here for months.
A marketplace is a key part of this whole project https://steemit.com/steem/@dan/steemit-s-evil-plan-for-cryptocurrency-world-domination
No offence to anyone but I see people building tons of useless apps on steem that adds very little value. Why not build something that will send steem to the moon instead?
The reason steem is still so undervalued is that most people still view it as a cash cow, when they realize the money earned won't actually exit the system, investors will pour money in.

Don't get distracted by the rewards, they are just a trojan horse. The real goal is to bootstrap a currency and a new economy around it.

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Yes, YES!

I want an easy-to-use Steem shopping cart plugin to add to my website! ;)

Thanks in advance to the clever developer who comes up with that baby!

😄😇😄

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

Thats what I want too!

edje (69) · 7 years ago

Don't get distracted by the rewards, they are just a trojan horse. The real goal is to bootstrap a currency and a new economy around it.

You probably right, so where are the tools for the new economy? Wouldnt drive the bootstrappong of Steem with marketplaces enabled using Steem as a primary coin? Wouldnt bootstrapping not be supported when getting the existing businesses to use Steemit/Steem as another promotional channel? But, commercial businesses have requirements, and they need to be fulfilled before they even consider to extend their communication and marketing channels with Steem/Steemit. I do not see anything that drives this! Nothing at all! While I know business segments that can be very interested in coming to Steemit, I also know that features at the backend are required on which I do not have any control over, so I (and others) can not start investing in the frontend features required to onboard these commercial businesses. The risks are simply to high! While when creating and executing a plan to onboard commercial businesses in a solid way, with co-operation of the various parties that needs to be involved, can drive the acceptance of Steem as a coin tremendously! As mentioned in another comment to this post: I do see a tremendous lack of (commercial) product management, a tremendous lack of winning propositions, and a tremendous lack of getting much more out of what is already being build.

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steemitqa (64) · 7 years ago

Steemporium . It's a start.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

Its so easy for people to be not just distracted but consumed by the payouts.....
Steemit has so much potential. Lets get it together community!

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https://steemit.com/steem/@mkdouglas/proposal-how-steem-escrow-transactions-would-facilitate-trade-currency-exchange-and-lending-using-only-fiat-currencies-and-the-steem-blockchain-so-as-to-bypass-bitcoin-as-a-gateway-cryptocurrency-increase-the-number-of-active-steem-users-and-increase-the-

mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

I started to reply, then the reply got to be too long, then it turned into a proposal, and then I forgot about it. If you are interested, here it is:

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

The escrow feature is supported on the blockchain and works fine as far as I know (though no primary UI support; I believe there was a third party app announced once that did support it). It probably should have been added to the white paper if it is missing.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Driving features that are available in the backend, shall be done be introducing and launching relevant services. When STINC is trying to bootstrap a coin, and STINC owns the UI to the Steem blockchain used by 90%+ of the Steemians, it shall be STINC who shall lead to way to launch marketplace + inbuild escrow. That will drive the usage of it, and that will drive others to invest time and money in creating such services using the Steem blockchain. I really do not understand the way STINC is trying to bootstrap Steem. They invented the idea of a social network, but dont execute on it in ways they should do; Making Steem yet another of those 100s and soon 1.000s of crypto coins in the market; That is hell of competition! Personally I see a tremendous lack of (commercial) product management, a real lack of good propositions, a lack of building the wide bridges between the existing commercial worlds (businesses) and the cryptoworld (Steem in our case). Where is the money? At brands and businesses! How can they be moved into cryptospace? Make the inclusion of cyptospace and coins seamless to their current operations and technical implementation. What is required for that? Solid and well thought through features, interfaces, adapters very likely different form vertical to vertical AND active marketing and sales approach to those commercial business.

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sigmajin (65) · 7 years ago

yeah, it works... https://steemit.com/@sigmajin/transfers i tried it out two months back, and even got it working with steem-js.

this is the gui... https://steemit.com/escrow/@xtar/update-on-escrow-gui-service-bulletin-board it was actually developed for golos i think, and just happens to work with steem.

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago

In your opinion, why do you think there is no escrow UI implementation or support by Steemit, Busy.org, ChainBB, eSteem etc.?

Escrow could easily add use cases for the Steem blockchain:

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

I don't have a good answer. I guess lack of critical mass in terms of community size and some subset of that community being focused on building commerce apps.

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Simple reason: opportunity cost.

From an economic standpoint, this can be simply summarized as “opportunity cost”, i.e. we do not pick the fruit from the top of the tree first. Everyone has an economic incentive to pick the lowest hanging fruit.

@smooth, just stating the obvious which you already know … my guess is everyone is too busy making money in other ways that have higher economies-of-scale or are easier. The “problem” for those in the crypto industry is they are making too much money without needing to produce the best software. Many of those who invested in crypto early such as yourself, no longer need to work as programmers. For most that happened by mid-2017, yet I remember even in 2015 your opportunity cost was already very high. Those who continue to do so must have some other form of motivation.

_{Luckily I was too ill (thus depleted of capital) to make a lot of money investing in the first wave of crypto, so I am still hungry. Plus I have multiple “other forms of motivation” as well. Gut tuberculosis was the best thing that has ever happened in my life!}

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

Good answer

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Thank you for this very well-stated and reasoned observation. Getting bitcoin out of the loop is critical to growth!

The @steemshop people should be all over this!

Right On, and Steem on, friend!

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago

With Bitcoin out of the loop, Smart Media Tokens would be easier to access from fiat currencies.

I expanded on the use cases for escrow UI that I had earlier mentioned:
https://steemit.com/steem/@mkdouglas/proposal-how-steem-escrow-transactions-would-facilitate-trade-currency-exchange-and-lending-using-only-fiat-currencies-and-the-steem-blockchain-so-as-to-bypass-bitcoin-as-a-gateway-cryptocurrency-increase-the-number-of-active-steem-users-and-increase-the-

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Hello again, @mkdouglas,

Thanks for letting me know about your recent article. I don't have time to read and think about it carefully at this moment, as I'm preparing for the San Diego Maker Faire...

Nevertheless, as this is such an important issue I have given you a 100% up vote and have Re-Steemed the article so that it will hopefully gain a wider audience.

I'll get back to you later after I've had a chance to read and think about it.

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for offering to resteem. I am open to suggestions and criticism.

I also made sure to follow you.

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Hello, friend,

I would have replied sooner but I've been "flat out" and not available here.

First, I actually did hit the Re-Steem button before leaving you that message, and thought that the Re-Steem had already occurred... I apologize that it did not. I don't know what happened? In any case, I have now Re-Steemed and verified that the article was Re-Steemed to my blog. I don't know what happened, but Steemit occasionally "hiccups" like that.

Still don't have time to read it, but maybe Monday?

Kind regards,

- @creatr

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Just curious about something...

It was never explained why the previous n^2 algorithm and its ability to mitigate abuse/exploitation was eliminated in favor of a full linear algorithm, which has led to a lot more widespread/rampant abuse of the rewards system. The new algorithm requires not a single shred of "consensus" when it comes to the allocation of rewards.

Does this not present a problem for dealing with serial spammers and collusion, like we have been seeing since the last hard fork (19) was implemented? Are there any discussions or plans to address this, or will we just simply have to continue playing catch-up with all of the new abuse/exploitation - and continue to waste tons of voting power on something that was adequately mitigated by several different protocols which have been removed/changed in consecutive hard forks?

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

which has led to a lot more widespread/rampant abuse of the rewards system

This is an easy claim to make and when it comes to widespread I would agree it is obviously much more widespread. This makes perfect sense because under the previous algorithm the bulk of the user base (like 90%+) had virtually no ability to grant rewards and therefore no ability to abuse. That's like starving to death as a weight loss diet.

However, when it comes to the 'amount' or 'severity' of 'abuse' it is very difficult to be confident about that conclusion because excessive concentration of rewards and a few whales essentially siphoning off the entire pool (or nearly so) to a few preferred posters could also be considered abuse.

The role of posting, comment, voting, and rewarding in this system is to encourage widespread participation and growth of the platform. The precise allocation of rewards is less important, especially when that allocation is flatter and broader.

The new algorithm requires not a single shred of "consensus" when it comes to the allocation of rewards.

It does require consensus. If A upvotes and B downvotes (with equal weight) then no reward is paid. That is precisely a consensus-finding algorithm. If the community is unwilling to take a stand and downvote, it can't be helped.

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18 votes

sadekj (58) · 7 years ago

If the community is unwilling to take a stand and downvote, it can't be helped.

Agreed, but please help us by making down-voting anonymous. This way we don't get burned by stepping on the wrong foot. I see worthless posts that really deserves a flag, but then I check their SP, and decide not to pick a fight.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

Yes this is a problem for anyone with low SP but at the same time if it wan anonymous then people could just go and down vote anything they didn't like all day long and no one would then be able to hold them accountable.
Transparency is the savior and we must protect that at ALL costs.

sadekj (58) · 7 years ago

I agree that transparency is valuable. Unfortunately, it is making the fight against misuse harder. Maybe we need a more creative way to solve this problem. Otherwise, this problem is crippling the whole system. Low-quality content is being rewarded more than high-quality content. I am sure Steem was not designed to do that.

BTW, I have just read a post by @heavey about a new ICO that is similar to Steem. It is called Red Pulse. They have devised some solutions to guarantee high-quality content. Maybe, we should check them out.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

I don't think that transparency is the problem. The problem is that almost everyone is here to make money and as usual willing to compromise honesty, integrity, fairness etc to get a piece of the pie.
I am sure there is already a solution that exists to deal with this and I feel the solution is just that this community curates content they feel is valuable and flags stuff that isn't. Guilds/groups are the way to go.
If a lowly wimpy minnow or plankton finds flag worthy content they can just report it to the group and the group with all the power can do the down voting if the warning meats criteria.
Its actually very simple, then the entire community becomes the security camera that sees EVERYTHING and the whales become the enforcement. Its perfect.

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago

I think accounts should not be able to upvote their own posts. This way abusers will be forced to create other accounts to upvote. Those other accounts won't have a lot of SP and as such won't be intimidating to users who want to downvote their posts.

Maybe in the current situation a lot of people who would have downvoted the posts were scared off by the SP.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

Its just as easy to transfer or delegate sp to a sock puppet.

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

The account posting spam and the account with the SP will be different. Other naive users will be more confident to downvote a spamming account with little to no SP. The SP account might still retaliate but might also have to deal with many naive users who downvoted his Spam account.

Let me try and give an illustration:

Mob boss (SP account)
Puppet (Spam account)
Government contract (Rewards from self voting)

Currently the mob boss can go for government contracts and do a bad job. People will keep quiet about it because they do not want to suffer the wrath of the mob boss.

If the rules didn't allow the mob boss to get government contracts, the mob boss would have to get a puppet to get the government contracts. If the puppet does a bad job, people who are not aware of the puppet's links to the mob boss will act to punish the puppet. If enough naive people act against the puppet, the well-informed might join in to punish the puppet. This is how revolutions happen. It requires enough naive (or brave) people to act.

Moral of this: it is easier to scare off individuals before they act than to scare off masses after they act.

I hope I made sense.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

It makes sense but not sure I actually agree it would apply/work here on this platform.
Anyone with little sp/rep will not do flagging if they get retaliated on, regardless of it its from the boss or henchman. People are just as scared of the henchman as the boss. Because everyone knows the boss calls the shots and the henchman dish it out.
Steemit does have potential to be a place of honor and ideals but is currently very far from that. This community would probably actually be a lot better without the money yet none of us want to give it up either hahaha

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mkdouglas (54) · 7 years ago

Unless a spam post has two votes and a big reward, it requires some work to identify henchmen and people are generally lazy.

Laziness kicks in before fear.

Somebody will come across the spam post, check the posting account REP:

if low, they won't even bother to check the SP
if high, as when the boss transfers SP to new account and posts with the old account, the SP remaining won't scare off downvoters

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

Independent of the questions raised about whether this is a good idea, there isn't obviously any mechanism for doing this. To limit spam, the voter needs to be 'charged' for the bandwidth and vote power, which means the voter must be identified. To alter that would require some radical changes in the system design.

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bbrewer (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

Agreed. The benefits of HF-19 far outweigh the negative impact of the spammers.

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sigmajin (65) · 7 years ago

when it comes to widespread I would agree it is obviously much more widespread.

I agree with this statement in the most literal sense.

that is to say, under n^2, the abuse was more concentrated. It was a very few people making six figures annually (steemguild, curie, etc).

The total percentage of the reward pool going to spam/abuse is, i suspect, probably about the same (and if its higher, ite because many whales got fed up with fighting abuse and now just sell their votes), there are just more people getting some of it. .

Obviously, neither situation is optimal, but if we're going to pay out a significant share of the reward pool to abusers, the abuser community should at least be inclusive.

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timcliff (73) · 7 years ago

created a discussion here: https://steemit.com/abuse/@timcliff/whitepaper-discussion-on-voting-abuse

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ned (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

The Witnesses voted for linear over n^2 and that is why there is linear. Overwhelmingly, it appears to have positive results in terms of user engagement and growth. Consider other alternatives than n^2 to mitigate "abuse."

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm sure there are many other ways to address the spam caused by self voting, none of them perfect, I just wish people working at Steemit were more engaged in the discussion of possible solutions, There has been at least 15 serious posts specifically about the issue and possible solutions and nobody from Steemit commented on them if only to acknowledge having read it.

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oddnugget (50) · 7 years ago

Hopefully, they're actually already working on it behind the scenes.

Even I just wrote about the issues here.

I haven't exactly been here all that long, but the problems are obvious.

We'll see how long they'll let them drag on for fear of upsetting the "witnesses."

If nothing valid is done to combat the problem, we'll all be witnesses to the downfall of steem. :P

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

As much as I love Steemit, Steemit is very well known for horrible communication as well as PR.
Could be so easily fixed. Maybe one day, one day it will have to be in order to reach the masses thats for sure.

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inquiringtimes (64) · 7 years ago

well, that's all detailed in the whitepaper.

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https://steemit.chat/channel/steemitabuse

ats-david (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Consider other alternatives to full linear in order to mollify new users and users who are not well-versed on how to build their social media presence/following.

And also consider that there were other protocols that have been eliminated, as I stated in my original comment. A series of changes has led to the amount of abuse/exploitation that we see today. If you'd like to know more about what's actually happening around here, feel free to visit:

Also - talk with some of the whales around here who have been doing their best to counter the abuses. People like @transisto and @berniesanders, and other users like @pfunk and myself. If you want lists with figures, I'm sure we can compile some...and a few users are already doing it.

@spaminator
@sherlockholmes

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ned (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Consider other alternatives to full linear in order to mollify new users and users who are not well-versed on how to build their social media presence/following.

Why don't you be more specific? Do you mean increasing the slope of the reward and curation curves?

It could be interesting trying to improve behavior by allowing these curves to pass an array of float couples that represents a polynomial function. For example if you pass [['1', '1']] it's like the current flat reward curve. [['1', '-1']] for square root curation curve. [['0.5', '2'], ['-1', '1']] for f(x) = x²/2 - x and so on. Maybe in that case just doing a % of quadratic + a % of linear.

Would love Steem to be able to offer those choices, but as I have literally told you before, IME it hasn't been found to be safely implementable. However, you're of course free to code it up and propose it to the Witnesses

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Consider other alternatives than n^2 to mitigate "abuse."

Maybe you can be more specific as well?

It's one thing to just ignore what I typed in my original comment. It's another thing to go off about "float couples" and "polynomial functions" instead of actually answering my initial questions honestly. You know...the ones about abuse mitigation that had previously existed but now does not.

If you willingly choose to be ignorant about what's been happening since the last hard fork(s), then just refrain from engaging in discussions about it. Send me one of your other team members to honestly talk about it. Drowning the discussion with posturing, deflections, and distractions gets us nowhere.

anonymint (65) · 7 years ago

He is not ignorant. They know what they’re doing.

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago

He is not ignorant. They know what they are doing.

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locikll (55) · 7 years ago

Why not use an extended error function curve (A Half-Gaussian) for rewards, this would allow newer users to be restricted in their voting strength, with moderate users getting more of a vote (those who have published good content and have made enough in order to have a vote), while still keeping the higher-steem users having more of the vote, this would seem like a much better 'In the middle' approach between quadratic and linear reward system.

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witnezme (45) · 7 years ago

Hi @ats-david, as a minnow, thanks for sharing your experience. Do you think more blogs that help to point out the worst offenders would be a welcome addition to the community, or frowned upon? e.g. Perhaps weekly lists of users worth flagging, or similar. Thanks

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

I think this is exactly what we are trying to get away from needing, and exactly what points out we still have many problems that need to be dealt with.

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yabapmatt (69) · 7 years ago

Can someone help explain this to me? I am a new user (joined yesterday) and all i see is a ton of bots and services to pay to promote your posts...not at all what I consider curated content. Before I decide to spend any time or money with SteemIt i'd really like to understand the plan for preventing that and surfacing actual content.

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ned (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Content curation/filtering is the responsibility of the interface. Steemit or other interfaces can continue to rely on community curation or scale up using machine learning and other techniques to reduce spam and bot interactions.

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imwatsi (67) · 7 years ago

@ned I'm sure the communities will raise the level of user interaction in both content creation and curation. They will make content so much more discoverable. I'm not sure if the feed will have changes to it too, to maybe include recommended content? Can't wait to get use the new UI/UX! I'm sure interaction levels will significantly increase.

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craig-grant (75) · 7 years ago

Ned, you sound allot smarter about blockchain tech than you did before :)

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Hum... that's all u got?

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yabapmatt (69) · 7 years ago

What about using a captcha? And why wouldn't Steemit want to filter that? Am I the only one who doesn't want to read a bunch of automated bot comments?

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ned (69) · 7 years ago

Captcha is ineffective for the reason that the underlying infrastructure is publicly accessible. Steemit can be circumvented by any willing body.

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yabapmatt (69) · 7 years ago

That's a good point - but Ned while I seem to have your attention for a minute here - maybe you could help me understand why someone who isn't into the crypto-craze would want to use SteemIt. Right now to me it seems like a big game of programming bots and/or gaming the system to promote posts rather than to surface good content.

One example of a community i read frequently is Hacker News - if something like that could exist on the Steem platform (meaning the quality of the content) and the contributors could get paid for their contributions, then I think Steem could become huge. Right now I guess i'm not sure if i see how that can happen.

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bashadow (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Sorry I'm not Ned, and don't know him, and I hope you don't mind my thoughts on your question. You see, I'm not interested in the crypto-craze.

maybe you could help me understand why someone who isn't into the crypto-craze would want to use SteemIt.

On steemit, I do not need to have hoards of angry bee's following me to take care of any troll issues I might have in other social media. I think the reason for so few trolls on Steemit is that they know what ever they type it will be around forever, and that they can't type, slam someone, then edit and make the other guy look like an idiot. There is a record of the edits. Lack of Trolls is a big plus on Steemit. Another reason, is that even though I am not into the crypto-craze, it is nice to see that my comments on another person's post could be rewarded. Bonus free money even if it is only 0.001 cent or less. It's not the money.

Sometimes, not a lot though, I have my own thoughts to share with people, and it is pretty easy to do, yeah it is hit and miss on how many of the 200,000+ real people, (I saw one blog that there may be upto 10,000+ bots), would see my post. But that does not matter to me, why am I here, for the content, there are so many great writers on here, so many artist, and I do not have to be distracted by the content being obscured by advertisement I am totally not into. No ADS, Great Content. That is why I am here.

steemreports (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Would you consider making the Steemit post/comment views data publicly available via a JSON RPC for example? This shouldn't take much, and would really help collaborative filtering and other machine learning to improve user experiences.

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sneak (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

put .json on the end of any url on steemit.com, like the one you are on right now

Oh, wait, that doesn’t do comments.

Those are all already available via JSON-RPC from steemd at https://steemd.steemit.com.

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steemreports (64) · 7 years ago

That's useful info (which I didn't know) thanks, but I meant the views data as stored in Steemit's private database.

I'm doing quite a lot of work with the blockchain data, but it doesn't give the user page views which would be really helpful. Anyway, I don't expect it's possible, but thought it worth asking.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Yes, I'm aware of how the process works.

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ned (69) · 7 years ago

I'm not following. Witness choices is WHY there is a change.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Of course you're not following. You're so disconnected from the actual community you have no clue what's going on. But hey, as long as you're cashing out through your @alpha account via blocktrades, all is well in Steemit land, right?

Pull your head out of your ass and spend some time on the site. Maybe then you'll get a fucking clue.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Sorta gotta agree @ned, you have spent zero time talking to your fan base lately ;-)

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ned (69) · 7 years ago

I'm back to black soon.

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nanowins77 (44) · 7 years ago (edited)

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jphenderson (66) · 7 years ago

Are you going to investigate this or do you want me to explain it for you?

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preparedwombat (70) · 7 years ago

Witness choice is how it happened. Why it happened is all about rationales and justifications.

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ned (69) · 7 years ago

There's WHY it happened. --> Choice.

And there's WHY it was chosen. ---> Rationales.

I agree. Rationales IMV tend to be very public. Users should go to their highly paid witnesses to understand rationales behind the choices. JMTC.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago (edited)

You know goddamn well that the witnesses have no choice. We've seen STINC flex their muscle multiple times to ensure the witnesses do as they please.

@ned in fact I have a conversation with you where you directly request participation in managing witnesses to ensure you get the result you want.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

And it's likely that you're not the only person he approached with such a proposition.

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personz (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

~~That's a bit disingenuous. You personally reshuffled the witness cabinet to insure that outcome.~~

I retract this claim.

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

That didn't happen. First of all nearly all of the top 30 witnesses (meaning the top 20 plus the next 10 who might reasonable by voted in their place) were in favor of it and second of all there has been relatively little reshuffling of the witnesses at all for months (for better or worse). Unlike some other proposals (including ones which Steemit very strongly supported and were not activated), there wasn't even much controversy over this one.

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

I remember there being some shuffling close to the hard fork time, but maybe I'm thinking of HF 17? Do you remember if there was more reshuffling then?

Anyway I have apologized for the claim, should have thought more before saying that.

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

maybe I'm thinking of HF 17? Do you remember if there was more reshuffling then?

I don't specifically remember but that is very possible. HF17 was more controversial (and ultimately rejected/withdrawn).

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

Sounds about right. Thanks

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ned (69) · 7 years ago

I don't claim to remember every detail of this past year and a half but I respectfully disagree. I had removed all votes and ordered personnel under contracts at steemit to do the same.

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

Oh, my mistake. Sorry for the false accusation.

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surpassinggoogle (76) · 7 years ago

@andrarchy did mention this to me about steemit's personnel under contract, not allowed to vote on witnesses!

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clixmoney (76) · 7 years ago

Yes the hf19 was very bad for a lot of people, I still earn cents from it, even after having more that 1300 followers and posting everyday, I hope the hf20 will be fair enough to change the situation

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

This is the big reveal this week? You've gotta be fucking joking...

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justinw (60) · 7 years ago

This is not the "big reveal", that will be coming in another upcoming post. We have a lot of announcements that will all be coming out very soon.

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cardboard (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

:D
tip! hide

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

I count the days... think blue

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sigmajin (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

top six guesses

soon (which is to say, roadmap soon)
justinw put curly brackets around a steem-js method that someone else wrote. pay him $600.
new CTO created in lab under blacksburg office.
The original version of the white paper never existed in this timeline. It got erased when a t-1000 was sent back to kill Sara Conner when she was 9 years old, and was she was saved by 'pops'.
New way to decrease accountability and make abuse easier.
new plan to generate buzz by being unnecessarily cryptic, to the point of absurdity, about the (long overdue) implementation of new features.

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thecryptotrader (63) · 7 years ago

You don't read? they clearly said that this is not the big reveal!

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Flagged for being an idiot.

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jorgevallarosa (43) · 7 years ago

You don't pay attention to the time comments were made? :)

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Obviously not.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

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edb1984 (49) · 7 years ago

what big reveal?? Did I miss something??

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pfunk (72) · 7 years ago

This white paper still suffers the technical flaw of the old one, in which line breaks get inserted when trying to copy text. Please recompile it.

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klen.civil (76) · 7 years ago

I really agree with you friend. hopefully the steemit team realize it.

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teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago

I hate that when texts do this. Can't use them in my text-to-speech software. Big bummer.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

HOLY FUCK THIS WAS A BUNCH OF CRAP TO WADE THRU
So don't expect anyone but the most SELF INTERESTED to do so...

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

Looks like just an excuse for another comment self vote 😂

abit (70) · 7 years ago

In a market where 0% interest on debt still demands a premium, it is safe to say the market is willing to extend more credit than the debt the community is willing to take on. If this happens a SBD will be valued at more than $1.00 and there is little the community can do without charging negative interest rates.

This has come and gone in last weeks. With price feed premiums, more SBD's were created and finally the peg is maintained. (by the way charging negative interest rates is not supported in current protocol)

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the-gate-keeper (47) · 7 years ago

and why is that?

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rival (67) · 7 years ago

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

Previous version of whitepaper for those who want to compare https://app.box.com/s/hmq5p0skko40vi55f8pi4j631sqe3los

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rival (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

no thanks.. i live now and not in the past.. but great that you share it... let the future come!!!

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sigmajin (65) · 7 years ago

We are therefore happy to announce that a new version of the whitepaper has been published,

specifically what version of the whitepaper is this? Because, though its dated, reading it one really wouldn't get the impression that things haven't been this way from jump street (whereas most of the main concepts covered in the white paper are 540 degree turn-arounds from the original concepts presented 9in the white paper.

Wouldn't an accurate, intellectually honest version of the whitepaper be one that described the chain as designed, its philosophical underpinnings at the time of its creation, the changes that were enacted

tbh, if you know how far off this is from the original policy wise, writing it this way (trying to make it seem as if this was the original plan) makes it feel like a bunch of cobbled together rationalizations.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Yes, and a lot of the rationalizations are contradictory. For example:

Changing super-linear curves to full-linear represented a huge change in rationale and has had a significant impact on the system.

Reading the new version of the whitepaper, this reasoning/change/impact isn't apparent. It makes things feel a bit disjointed. The original, while people may have disagreed with certain elements of it, was at least coherent.

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sigmajin (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Changing super-linear curves to full-linear represented a huge change in rationale and has had a significant impact on the system.

not a huge change, IMO. downvoting and superlinearity were always intended to be somwhat reduandant to oneanother. At least, thats the impression i got from the original whitepaper. I know you blame linearity for a lot of steem s woes, but i don't agree with you that its the cause of a lot of the problems to which you attribute it.

a far bigger change is the philosophical take on inflation. Its fine to say "inflation is no big deal, fire up the printing presses" and its also find to say "moneysupply control is super important and we have to keep inflation in check."

But to start out saying "inflation is no big deal fire up the printing presses!" print yourself up a bunch of money, then as youre rubbing your hundreds of million steem on your titties say "oh we changed out mind. money supply matters now no more inflation" seems a little dishonest.

To go a step further and instead of saying "oh we changed our mind" just implying that its always been the policy by publishing an unannotated whitepaper well , that seems a step beyond 'a little dishonest'.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

I know you blame linearity for a lot of steem s woes, but i don't agree with you that its the cause of a lot of the problems to which you attribute it.

This isn't exactly accurate. I don't blame linearity for the woes. I blame linearity for making spamming and other abuses more lucrative - and therefore more attractive. The ability to relentlessly spam is another issue altogether which is not caused by the linear rewards algorithm.

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cheeto.blue (61) · 7 years ago

Awesome!! Definitely worth a read to stay updated 😉

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the update. There's no perfect system, but I can see you are trying to improve. I thought linear rewards could be a bad ideas as masses of bot accounts can have more impact, but people are working to counter that. At least the data is visible to analyse. I think reputation could be used to limit the posts/votes an account can make. That would reduce spam and mean you have to earn the right to use the system. It would hamper bots unless they had community support.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Wow, you have a great idea there seems to me... make em earn it!

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

We need some ways to set last limit the spam and this seems reasonable as it doesn't hurt for users.

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patrice (65) · 7 years ago

I was really hoping for something to address some of the problems or something really new.

Seriously... This just makes me feel like throwing in the towel when an updated white paper is:

the launch of a huge addition to the Steem ecosystem, so stay tuned.

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timcliff (73) · 7 years ago

There have already been a few replies to this. The WP was not the 'huge edition' announcement.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Let's talk "BLUE"...

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

there's going to be an even bigger Edition to the whitepaper ? ;)

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Blue Paper is coming; let's see what it contains ;-)

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

This is more of the order or addressing a long overdue fuck-up than something worth building excitement around.

personz (66) · 7 years ago

So the Steemit whitepaper project on GitHub is no more? Guess my work was for nothing 😭

At least you have updated it.

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sneak (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

We're going to migrate this new text to that repo soon in the form of PRs. Your work was not in vain. :)

The output from that repo with the updated text will be the canonical pdf version.

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

That's great to hear, awesome! 😆

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Excellent, I am happy to hear this. I've always thought it was pretty crazy to have such an outdated version of the Whitepaper out there for investors to read and misunderstand.

Congratulations on updating the white paper and thank you.

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abishai (52) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this much needed update to the white paper!

I think what some of the negative posters may be missing is that with all the upcoming changes coming soon, the documentation needs to be in order. My guess is that the devs are expecting a large influx of new users over the coming months, and want everything to be as accurate as possible.

I think it's worth being patient and doing it right, rather than haphazardly releasing new content that may or may not work. And, yes, documentation is an important part of any release cycle.

Thank you, devs, for all your hard work!

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denmarkguy (76) · 7 years ago

Happy to hear it has been updated.... it was getting to the point where it was a little sad/embarrassing to have to tell people I was trying to get to join Steemit "not to bother with the White Paper, it really doesn't represent the site."

Further to this, I REALLY hope there is some kind of long term plan in the works, along with dates and benchmarks... I'm talking 2 years, 5 years, 10 years... not just "the next hardfork."

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

JUST ONE MORE PERSON DEVOTED TO DOCUMENTATION and I could probably get many more people to join. But at the current rate, I was spending too much time making excuses for poor docs...

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steemboys (57) · 7 years ago

So when will be the end of beta?

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donkeypong (75) · 7 years ago

It's not sexy stuff, but this was badly needed and I'm sure it represented a ton of work. Thank you.

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captainobviou3 (63) · 7 years ago

Did you get in on the Pocket Token?

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donkeypong (75) · 7 years ago

Yes, it's an interesting concept.

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captainobviou3 (63) · 7 years ago

pocketsend:1000@donkeypong, Just for fun LOL

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bondy007 (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

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Receiving Account: donkeypong
New sending account balance: 996900
New receiving account balance: 1000999
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: 406d1a412578d24b0957ad0eaa3b1aee9ec95fc0
Thanks for using POCKET! I am running this confirmer code.

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pocket-a (45) · 7 years ago

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davidrestrepo (50) · 7 years ago

Thanksss

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forykw (64) · 7 years ago

I would say integration is also very important to Steemit. Not discarding the need to continue providing a better blockchain for Steemit, but in parallel doing integration is key for a wider network to test new limits. Integration goes like other social media networks. The easier it gets for others to use, the more likely is the technology going to be explored and improved.

I would love to see integration with Crypto Cards (Credit or debit), decentralized exchanges and decentralized frontend. If steemit.com is down, there is little left to do with the blockchain, with the exception for all the other apps/software that use the same chain.

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jaraumoses (68) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the updated whitepaper.
I like the analogy of fighting abuse in the community.
The story of the "crabs in the bucket'' well explains it.
We cannot completely shut down abusers as it is explained in the crabs in the bucket analogy.

The goal of building a community currency is to get more “crabs in the bucket”. Going to extreme
measures to eliminate all abuse is like attempting to put a lid on the bucket to prevent a few crabs from
escaping and comes at the expense of making it harder to add new crabs to the bucket. It is sufficient to
make the walls slippery and give the other crabs sufficient power to prevent others from escaping

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Yeah Right, just confuse about 1 Million people... sorry, it's too complex of a metaphor for how much it really matters to our platform here.
Just forget about this issue, and be done.

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gillzo (38) · 7 years ago

more crabs in the bucket hey? is that a analogy as in ,please we need to add more people to keep the ponzi going?

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sabrin514 (45) · 7 years ago

I like the contrarian philosophy on steemit. Most social platforms I've seen tell their users how to avoid getting crabs.

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cryptoctopus (74) · 7 years ago

ugh...I was hoping for something a little more exciting than that. Even though it's a good thing, never create hype only to let people down...it's really not that exciting.

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jorgevallarosa (43) · 7 years ago

Yeah, I don't see how this even qualifies as "...the launch of a huge addition to the Steem ecosystem", as they stated in the previous post.

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justinw (60) · 7 years ago

This is not the "launch of a huge addition to the Steem ecosystem", that will be coming in another upcoming post. We have a lot of announcements that will all be coming out very soon.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

And maybe a jump in STEEM PRICE when we see BLUE...

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jorgevallarosa (43) · 7 years ago

That's encouraging. Thanks.

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abudar (66) · 7 years ago

thank you for releasing updated information about steemit operations and I strongly support the overall change about steemit.

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago

The original version of the Steem white paper for those who might want to compare the changes.

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pastrane (50) · 7 years ago

technovedanta (65) · 7 years ago

Will this result in a HF20?

surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Where exactly is HF20 spec? I would be interested to see it published here.

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

No this is just a piece of paper / documentation.

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jga (65) · 7 years ago

Weeee very good.

I have waited for it long time ago, because the code is a little complicated to read

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roykie17 (58) · 7 years ago

tnx for update

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zorro7 (50) · 7 years ago

can you help us define or calculate the percentage earned in "debt" by holding Steem Power and SBD? Is it 4% per year for each?

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imwatsi (67) · 7 years ago

Funny, I was just reading the whitepaper just now and wondering when it'll be updated. Now you've done that so it's great. I'm anxiously waiting for the communities to be implemented. And the new UI/UX... That should do wonders to post discoverability and user interaction levels, and our income as a result. Great work guys!

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gillzo (38) · 7 years ago

not bad.. i would like to see adds implimented.. really kick the price of steem up, like were the fuck is the economic roadmap, these fucking nerds have no idea in economics, yeas lets print money like the fed, and hope the whole ponzi dont collapse lol...

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

U r a DUMB ASS

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gillzo (38) · 7 years ago

good information you posted? please explain how 100% inflation is great :) and how steem isnt a ponzi :).. o wait you cant..

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gillzo (38) · 7 years ago

maybe your just a bit sour ? cos you have over 100 k invested , : Dan has deleted transaction history on one of his account. https://steemit.com/@steem/transfers

Money sent a few days ago from https://steemit.com/@steemit/transfers is not showing as received on the steem account like it usually does. I don't know exactly why he doesn't want us to see the transactions but it looks like he is trying to hide something. Fishy

edit 2 : As predicted Steemit founders cashing out big time, they have been crashing the price from 5$ to 0.8$ and they are gonna crash it to pennies until there are no more investors to milk from.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@magnebit/steem-price-is-being-pushed-down-by-1-person-speculation-on-why-and-where-it-may-end-up

RIP steem power holders

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justinw (60) · 7 years ago

Your are very misinformed. You cannot delete transaction history from the blockchain, period. Also, the post that you linked to is a year old and also misinformed. This is just FUD.

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gillzo (38) · 7 years ago

dude, its still relevant, all the big whale control what gets seen, i think its pretty stupid that if you have a lot of money you can make a lot of money, steem should be about the fish and earning your vote.. no i have 100 k and ill upvote myself and make 500 bucks a day out of thin air, you see what im saying.. They also need other revenue like adds.. to keep it sustainable.

bashadow (65) · 7 years ago

Read the post, and the comments. Question, what is a "Blue Paper". With the update to the white paper are we going to get an updated FAQ. One that covers more about steem and steemit. Like a list of important links at the end of the FAQ, directing us to where we can find out what our steem/vote power is, and other pages that people need on occassion but have a hard time finding, like where is the site changes, request, wish list, suggestion box, who do I complain to links, excetera. (I keep losing the wales link to see if I am powered up or not.LoL) Thanks for keeping us little guys informed of changes.

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

I don't think Blue Paper has an official definition. It is just a name they are using for another document to be released.

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mitneb (53) · 7 years ago

Thanks for posting this, and providing the link. I am new, and have not read the White Paper yet. Looking forward to reading it now.

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dianadee (67) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the updates! @steemitblog

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olyup (55) · 7 years ago

I'm glad this got updated, because reading through the old one was not fitting with my observations.

I guess I'll go steem through this thing now...

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thecryptotrader (63) · 7 years ago

i can say it! i'm REALLY, REALLY excited to be a part of this world change platform!
Keep doing the good job, we will never finish to thank you in future!

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captainobviou3 (63) · 7 years ago

I am interested in seeing the "Blue Paper" because everyone here believes in the future of steemit...

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

THINK BLUE

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captainobviou3 (63) · 7 years ago

I know right! LOL

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resteemservice (30) · 7 years ago

thanks for you hard work and for a much needed update of the whitepaper :) much love!

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sixersfeds (51) · 7 years ago

Super excited to read thru this! Great knowledge of the things to come as you guys "bring Steemit to the masses"!! Super exciting, thanks for all the hard work and for providing us an updated white paper to read thru and to show to others to explain Steemit's projection forward!

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moon32walker (71) · 7 years ago

Great news, I was wondering when that fossil white paper would get replaced, for 8 months now. However, it should be stated that even a new white paper could be and will be changed in coming months/years.

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dimensional-drop (44) · 7 years ago

You guys keep getting better and better! Thank you for building a community of intellectuals and sharing in the profits of social networking. You are the facebook killer. web 3.0 app.

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dbdecoy (53) · 7 years ago

Also change the perks given for the newcomers so that they can gain reputation easily.

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arieshart (33) · 7 years ago

The 13 week power down timeframe is a really great new development!

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droucil (62) · 7 years ago

"Changed the two year power down cycle to 13 weeks." Curious how that one is gonna play out.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Well, it's been playing out since last December. Doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

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droucil (62) · 7 years ago

Really? Thought it always been 2 years? And why would they even state it here being changed from 2 years to 13 weeks if it already was?

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

Sorry, this was THE MOST NOT UNDERSTOOD CHANGE in the history of steemit; we hope we don't have too many more issues like this going forward.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

It was changed last December. They're just updating the Whitepaper now to reflect those changes.

Yeah...they're slow.

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fotomafia (48) · 7 years ago

Это правда ?

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robert-downey-jr (42) · 7 years ago

what is this

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

HI IRONMAN!

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skapaneas (70) · 7 years ago

ok this is good but I am eager to hear (like everyone here I suppose) the big news.

I am sure this week will keep us all up in full hype. see ya guys, and please be awesome :)

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

I would be in favor of forking self votes out.

Users couldn't rely on "self-voting is OK" and we would not to have to make wishy-washy rules (etiquette) around self voting. Just don't do it.

Ofc there is the possibility of people voting for themselves through alternative accounts. Condemning this would be much easier if we first condemn self-votes.

I think having a lot of SP on Steemit is still a good investment. You can upvote the comments of your followers higher wish should be boosting the engagement within your comment section.
You can offer services like @randowhale or @booster.

I don't think we need self votes and I remember that even at school many would not want to vote themselves for class president just because it felt strange/unethical.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

It's less than 10% of the rewards pool...
Let it go, we got bigger fish to fry dude.

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

Well, there is ofc a black/hidden number if you count sockpuppets and people voting each other on a "contractual basis" rather than because of good content.

Banning selfvotes would be setting a sign that a vote should always be a promotion of good content of somebody else and not something that is payed for or is given because you have connections.

I know this is very ideological and maybe delusional but that is what I would want Steem to be.

I also need to check who set up the auto-vote trail on me. I appreciate the gesture, but even I don't know who is responsible for my posts always getting 50 small votes in the first hour.

I like that people want to support me as a person but this is also a matter of transparency. Many new users actually think I got 50 persons to vote on my post even though it was just 1 person who most likely did not even read the post.

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oddnugget (50) · 7 years ago

Surfyogi has upvoted himself at least 7 times in this comments section lol. I don't think he wants that capability taken away.

surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

We already talked this through; it's probably impossible to ban..

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sabrin514 (45) · 7 years ago

Why does the blockchain always use forks instead of spoons? (I'm new please don't yell at me!)

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

there is no spoon

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kevinwong (76) · 7 years ago

Great, now looking forward to the Blue Paper :D

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

THINK BLUE

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liberosist (70) · 7 years ago

Quickly skimmed through it.

Surely, near-instant money transfers with zero transaction fees is a key service. "Free payments" doesn't cut it in the Introduction.

SBD has always been Steem Backed Dollars.

Good to see mention of Optane. I've been hyping it up in the witness channel for the last few weeks.

A lot of details are not mentioned, hope to see these in future versions of the Whitepaper. I also expect to see the Whitepaper updated at each hardfork.

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

WHOOT WHOOT

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simondocherty (52) · 7 years ago

WOW
"Changed the two year power down cycle to 13 weeks."

That's a game changer right there! So this is now active?

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smooth (70) · 7 years ago

Yes, that was changed in December. The white paper update is catching up with a lot of changes that were made over the course of the past year.

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simondocherty (52) · 7 years ago

Awesome thanks. I seen so many posts by big names that are still saying two years lol. I think even Jerry Banfield or whatever his name is was saying that.

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thecryptotrader (63) · 7 years ago

I have a question about annual interest on steem power.. someone know how can i calculate it or how much is it? cause i saw some calculator out there, but i think they are wrong. Thanks if anyone want to help me!

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aboutyourbiz (54) · 7 years ago

Interesting the people here with tenure aren't that excited about this news

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pqlenator (59) · 7 years ago

A well overdue update, Why TF did it take so long? Is Steemit Inc just on set and forget... That won't/doesn't work well when there is real profit and loss involved.
You got an upvote & resteem from me.
Steem on beyond the moon, it's ready for takeoff....are you strapped in? Good luck to us all.

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djunmul (48) · 7 years ago

Thank you for updating this information and thank you for your hard work so far in developing steemit as a place for people to gather to build themselves and community.

Regards

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greenrun (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm happy that the steemit I enjoy so much is still in beta. Would be over the moon when it'll move from beta to the stable deal.

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oroger (53) · 7 years ago

This is good news, the previous one was indeed outdated.

Anyone knows where I could find the sources of this WhitePaper ?
I looked in the Github repository but this is clearly not the version which is presented here.

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Awesome! 😎

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Thank you, this was desperately needed!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @steemitblog!
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thegoldenphoenix (61) · 7 years ago

a lot of things has changed i hope that this will go for the right of the new steemians the #bigwhales will not be affected ...waiting for the blue

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cement41 (15) · 7 years ago

Upvote

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kevalec (45) · 7 years ago

Great information, if I need to catch up on the operation of this platform, understand it a little more and hoping to expand the support for other languages, especially Spanish.

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rogerblu (49) · 7 years ago

Lets see how this goes
@rogerblu

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venezuelanews (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi @steemitblog, can I translate to spanish this information and post it in my post? Placing the source of where it takes?

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davebrewer (59) · 7 years ago

Great. Long overdue.

I'm going to need to rethink my plan of taking all my SP off the site and going to play in some other sandbox.

Seems like leadership team has come alive again, and we see signs of leadership

Great news

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eloquentsam (45) · 7 years ago

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuhaaaaaa! This is huge news ........glad to be a steemian mehn!

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tumutanzi (71) · 7 years ago

Great, I was complaining why the whitepaper was updated as so many changes have occurred. The steem whitepaper should be the only official document to know steemit.

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shadowspub (70) · 7 years ago

Hi @steemitblog, I just stopped back to let you know your post was one of my favourite reads and I included it in my Steemit Ramble. You can read what I wrote about your post here.

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harferri (78) · 7 years ago

Thanks for all the steemit team work, I wait for the next information...

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faisal79 (53) · 7 years ago

great post,,,.............

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imacryptorick (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

There' something wrong with the whitepaper 'pdf' file @steemitblog @steemitdev @ned

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imacryptorick (61) · 7 years ago

It says
"This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below."

and when I open it in two browsers (Firefox and Chrome) it shows just the following

NoSuchKey
The specified key does not exist.

542F9A82C94A1CFF

Hl3eXxoy3Cnve9cEuclVLGjoGbFzP+LfItb2/0AuPNKAndsIaesKS6inkHCV8T5y7/rHS0Mb1+
With a bunch of HTML tags
seriously weird...

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lenin-mccarthy (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello! I'm glad to see you took the time to update Steemit's White Paper, I'm sure that will help a lot of old and new Steemians and I can't wait to see your new "Blue Paper"

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surfyogi (65) · 7 years ago

THINK BLUE

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simplewriter (55) · 5 years ago

Another great update! I recently did my first Steemit article on equity release. It's a great platform and I'm enjoying the diversity of content.

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