is self-voting really bad? why is it shameful? what's with the public shaming?

in steem •  7 years ago  (edited)

recently i was told that upvoting my own content for what is "spam" is not cool and that i risk having my account revoked.

as a "whale" who has bought all of his own STEEM, with this own money, and then having taken part in a "decentralized" platform, i am now noticing that my investment has stipulations that were not even written in the fine print: do as you are told, or else! this sounds more like a centralized system to me.

users, random users of steemit.com, feel that they could bend you in one way or another whenever they feel like it - all they need is the help of a few who have a lot of steempower and an interest to see you fail and the job is done.

individual policing and shaming other users could have great ramifications for the future of this place. i urge witnesses, whales and the little guys to be vigilant and to think something over before reacting, even if it seems fair and logical at first. 

many steemians say that STEEM is really undervalued, i believe so as well, but this place is not investor friendly, not right now. perhaps that is the answer for why the price is still low.

on steemit.com users always judge content and what they THINK it's worth. this is for no one to judge, it's no one's job, but of the user who is upvoting content. the market will decide what the real value of a blog post is. the market could be 1 person or 100 people or 1000. yes, you can disagree, but let's just leave that disagreement in a world where we all agree to disagree on what content is really worth. this will always remain a grey zone.

now, is it a shame to be voting for your own content? 

keep in mind that this problem does not seem to arise where the payouts are small, they seem to arise when the payouts are large. 

this attitude of judging what content is worth could have a heavy impact on investors who will want to invest and use this platform to voice their thoughts freely, which is not available in a world where people tend to live or want to live on a moral high ground in order to be accepted. if people are judgmental on content and its value, this might keep investors away and shy them away from giving this platform a chance.

that being said, it seems that the problem is not a matter of the content, but payouts that frustrates steemians: it's all about the money. otherwise, users keep their peace. "content" is used as a point of attack in order justify why they disagree with the payout, when in reality they just disagree with the payout itself. because if it were about the content , then 99% of the steemians are useless, because, in essence, the content on steemit.com is pretty much useless.

good content with little to none payouts does not mobilize steemians to fight for the right of that content producer who got little to no reward for their hard work. however, if a content receives a big payout, then every one is upset about the reward pool being drained. the irony! what good is the reward pool if it sits there doing nothing, just looking pretty?

the hardforks were all put in place to attract new users by elevating the payouts. before hf19 only those who were whales or who had connections to whales benefited. so, it goes without saying that that hf19 was to answer the call of the little guy. 

remember, when a whale had voting strength before the fork, after the fork it will be the even stronger. this would be a natural consequence if the platform decided to give the little guy more voting power. the reverse is simply illogical. it would be stupid to think that after a hardfork the little guy and the big guy are at level playing fields. then, it would really drive investors away. all of this was done in the name of bringing more users to make more content; even the comments section is now handsomely rewarded, simply to engage people and make this place the place to be.

someone needs to drain the pool reward, otherwise this platform will die. 

so, now that brings me to a point of contention: what's wrong with voting at 100% for little or no content when it is up to the voter to decide how to distribute their votes, even if upvoting is for their own content? by upvoting, it is users who distribute the rewards pool, granted that every user has a limited distribution power.

to continue, i thought this platform was "decentralized," meaning little to no policing, with the understanding that the policing should be installed in the mechanics, coding, not based on some random user's moral yard-stick. yes, it is good to bring up concerns and discuss them and then find solutions, which are then implement in a hardfork. but, if the mechanics allow for users to behave in a certain way, then allow them to test it's limits. don't shame them publicly and don't use the downvote arbitrarily, just "because." 

yes, one can use the downvote as a protest, as a formality, but not in a way to ruin a users ability to participate here. otherwise, it will no longer fit the concept of freedom of speech, whatever that may be, if to participate on this platform is based on certain individuals' or a certain individual's moral beliefs. 

if someone disagrees with everything a user is doing, then it should be brought to the attention of the community, without vilifying the user, by destroying their reputation. if the community agrees that it is an issue that needs to be addressed in order to protect the platform and the community from destruction, then the user whose behaviour was in question and who was used as an example should not be upset. this is all part of growing pains.

plus, steemit.com is still in a beta phase. this is the time for us to really address holes and flaws in the vision. 

that being said, in the meantime, keep in mind that this platform is nothing without its users. so, if i don't upvote for myself and i don't upvote for anyone else, then it is the same result, no one is getting my votes and my votes will get wasted.

so, if people have issues with me upvoting myself, remember that if i don't chose to give them to anyone, no one benefits. so, it is not as if someone is losing out because i upvote my own content. the reward pool will give the same amount of payouts whether it is for me or for someone else. 

if someone wants a piece of the action then work your way towards building a network of people in order to exploit and maximize the profits that this platform has enabled for you. or, and otherwise, buy your own steem and bypass the need to build a community of followers that you can use to extract the STEEM from this platform in order for you to make money.

steemit.com is decentralized. meaning, anyone can join and do whatever they want. 

if this is the wrong understanding then we have a philosophical issue and this is a whole different discussion. but, as the mechanics stand, anyone and everyone is welcomed to make good use or bad use of this platform. no one should police this place. 

the policing should be done at the coding level. who decides the "coding," might you ask? the community as a whole. when there is consensus, then it should be implemented and a hardfork should happen. 

so, if someone notices something they don't like or odd about someone's behaviour on this platform or a flaw in the system, because of someone's behaviour, it is should be mentioned in a way that the user does not feel singled out or painted as an evil person.

what is the difference between me upvoting for my own content at 100% or me finding "x" amount of users to upvote my content in order to have the same effect as my 100% upvote? 

when having more people upvote content, does it make it more legitimate and is that when it is not considered as spam? 

if so, then, it is pretty ironic that most of the upvotes on this platform are from curations, meaning that no one really reads the content. further, the upvotes are based on strategic maneuvering to make sure you get the most curation rewards. people have bots and a trail follows. maybe only a handful of blog posts get read here.

so, as it stands, steemit.com is not really about how good the content is, it's about how much you can make. the content is simply there to justify a payout. but, the content is really irrelevant. this is the case upto now. i don't know what the future holds for this place.

that's why steemit.com is beautiful: some people work hard to attract votes, by creating worthy content worthy of attention; while others simply create nothing, but have support. in short, that is the same as a whale who does not need support, he can simply collect rewards by creating nothing and upvoting themselves.

so, people with little steempower create content for upvotes, otherwise for what else? if it is simply to put it out there, then facebook and twitter and instagram, etc. are already doing that. but, the key is that people who are voting are not all reading it. perhaps, only the person who is responsible for the trail has to make sure the voting is legitimate. so, if this person voting has a trail of say 100 usernames, then the other 99 people who voted did not necessarily read the content. 

so, what is the difference between "spam" and not reading what you are upvoting?

hence, what is the differnce between that and a selfvote? 

in essence, nothing!

remember that user's on steemit.com do not post organically, it is rewards driven. meaning, people will think of ideas to post in order to win followers so they could win rewards. 

on facebook, however, it's the opposite. people there post organically. on facebook, there is a need for the post or for some attention. facebook is driven by need, be it people being needy and needing attention or simply to stay in touch with family and friends or it is a good way of voicing something. it is not based on rewards, meaning there is no need for anyone to post anything facebook - it is user driven to connect with others or to stay connected. if anything, facebook is about how many friends you can make, and thus, how many people liked your post.

but, here, on steemit.com, it is rewards driven. otherwise, facebook is the place to be if you care about content.

therefore, for this platform to work and to attract people, users should have the freedom to post what they want and should be allowed to keep their payouts, however high they may be - be it due to a collective support or an individual's own upvote.

this place will create communities within communities within steemit.com, all in order to find a way to "mine" the available STEEM in the rewards pool.

without content this place will not meet its purpose and without content this place will not attract users. 

decentralization should mean that policing should not be done at the individual level with downvotes. it should be done at the mechanics levels and which is the collective consensus of the community. 

so, no to shaming!

remember, one man's trash is some other man's treasure: some spam might really be good.

i hope i did not offend anyone. 

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Finally post I was waiting for. I agree 100% with you and have nothing to add. Just to upvote 100% and resteem. Good job!

Exactly, its your $ and do whatever the fuck u want with it... we dont need anyone to tell us what to do with our hard earned $... if thats the case, stick with Fakebook and other regulated social networks..

Wow man, your power is huge! Congrats!

I worked hard for it. In real life and here. Thanks.

Wow. Thanks too! I think it s hard to manage it. So you bought steem power? Mhm.. I would buy too but I am student

We were all broke when we were students. Don't worry too much. We have money but you have time. Which one is more precious? Who knows.

Both are flying man... well nice to meet you, thanks again and see you around

I was just reading a post that was arguing the opposite and how the author was going to downvote this type of "abuse." That is a whole lot of BS. It's your money and your vote strength, do with it as you please.

You see. That the beautiful think about blockchain. Everybody is entitled for his own opinion and actions. I don't see any abuse here. Code is rule and we all follow the code.

I do feel that steemit has a little bit of a self-righteous vibe going on. "Make good content and the rewards will come!" I agree. But nobody is here to not be rewarded in some way or anther. Myself included.

Look at profiles of some authors who get big rewards. Check the number their posts and followers. They worked hard for whole year to get there. It's not easy. They wait and work for months. Some of us worked hard in real life and just bought steem power. Free world- free market.

No doubt. I'm only 4 months in and seen this platform grow vastly. More is coming when it hits the mainstream. Unfortunately with more people comes more bullshit. But live and let live.

Well hey this stuff is cool. Let me ask though are more people growing just from posting or from actually buying steem? This for me is hard to tell.

It's faster if you buy, but it depends on how much money you have and how much you willing to risk. Posting is more for professionals. You can earn pretty good with good commenting on popular posts. But the most important is for one to be persistent. Keep grinding.

Hey yea upvote your stuff! I remember you when you started!

Agreed!

In this wild west of Steemit there are lots of people wanting to make the rules. They can choose to enforce with their votes and/or to get others to do that. We can each decide what we think is reasonable. I give myself a small vote on my own posts, but not generally on my comments. Of course I want to earn something, but I'll mostly use my votes to reward others who deserve it. That's my choice and you have made yours.

"That's my choice and you have made yours."

you spoke my thoughts.

hey!! wgar about me?? :))

Well, if we don't support ourselves, who will? There are tons of crap post out there, and there are lots of people motivated solely by rewards. Isn't exactly like the real world?

I have people voting me up. If the content is good then they will come

agreed

I upvote my posts because I heard in a video its important to build up your steempower first. So thats what I am doing, so my future upvotes on comments will have more power. Also its and option steemit gives us, how can it be bad ?

I'm with you there. I upvote all of my own content. Why wouldn't I? Honestly it sounds more suspicious to me if someone does NOT upvote their own content because it shows that they don't truly believe their own content is worth it. It that is the case, then why even post it to begin with?

I agree with your statement, but if you are here to support the network you should also vote for posts that you feel are worth it. Some may just be here to invest. You can just comment and upvote all your own content to the max all day and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I will not upvote those people, but it is their choice to do what they want.

I upvote both myself and others that provide value (hence why I have upvoted your comment here as I feel it promotes a civil discussion). I think we are splitting hairs here in the sense that we both agree that there needs to be a balance between investment and supporting the network.

Agree to agree. Shake hands, walk away!

bravo

Damn read every bit of this fucking post and I loved all of it.! Exactly the point of view. You got another follower might as well check out my content!

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

It all depends.

Are you ONLY upvoting your own stuff and NOT upvoting anyone else's useful contribution on any of your posts?

If the answer is yes then I think that IS a problem. You need to understand your responsibility as a whale to others who are struggling to get a foot hold. In the long run, helping others to feel they have a place here on STEEMIT will only benefit your investment by increasing user participation, interest and ulimately the STEEM price.

If however you're upvoting yourself AND helping others on their way too, then more (STEEM)power to you.

I am a minnow. Possibly a trout. Meaning I have put $0 of my own dollars into this platform. I have earned some and for that I have invested time. I wouldn't want anyone to tell me how to spend my STEEM and I wouldn't tell you how to spend your fiat dollars in your own wallet. There is no partially decentralized platform in my mind. Either we are or we aren't. But considering we are in Beta I am fine with working thru these issues so we get it right. Thanks for sharing your point of view. Live and let live. Or rather STEEM and let STEEM.

Have a thumbs up from Phil.
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  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Well said! They changed the code so that people could vote as much as they like; so it seems silly to berate people for voting as much as they like! They give you the power to up vote yourself; then they tell you to up vote yourself less! Totally illogical.
Also a big investor like yourself has to be making more on Steemit than if you just shoved your cash in a bank! Peer to peer lending can earn you 12%!!!

This is not bad at all ,cheers. have a nice weekend 🙂

Good post. I'm a little minnow, and I totally agree.

If you bought your STEEM and want to fund your account and upvote yourself, no one should stop you. Have at it mate!

"I hope I did offend anyone" I hope you wrote that on purpose :D

BE OFFENDED PEOPLE IF YOU ARE OFFENSE TAKERS.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Hi Tamim. I feel where you're coming from, but I do think that the system would not work without the options to express both ways, not just whether a post is worth more than current payout but also if it is worth less than the current payout. So while there are no limitations to what you can post (and nobody can actually revoke your account or the SP behind it), everybody is free to express if say a comment that says "that's interesting" is actually worth less than the $60 pending payout. The only problem with the current system is that expressing that opinion with a downvote usually leads to retaliation flags, which is why for me the upvote/downvote systems is inherently flawed. But it is a system put in place to prevent upvotes that are over valued at the expense of the network.

Agreeing to disagree would mean accepting downvotes as an expression of disagreement on rewards.

Yes, this! Downvoting is the issue here and I have already seen a few discussions here about that very issue. Someone who buys up his Steem can basically downvote someone out of the platform if they wish to. Selfvoting is not and should not be a problem if you're participating in the community but downvoting can be harmful and dangerous

I think you replied to the wrong comment

Now I found out that I voted for myself.. haha.. and on steemit its not awkward to so that... wow.
Thanks!

plus, steemit.com is still in a beta phase. this is the time for us to really address holes and flaws in the vision.

I truly believe this platform can be a starting point for changing the world, and I agree that now is the time for the flaws to be worked out.
I am all for you doing as you believe is in your own interest, and will do my best to encourage decentralization.


SDG

you know my penny vote.. I used to give people a hard time when they comment and DONT upvote you but themselves.. that's what we chalk chuzpah! It's rude and very I have more steem power than you.

Yes there is nothing wrong with upvoting your own content or comment; I do it just the same.. but perhaps you have freedom.. but there are also ethics. Flip the person a tip if you will, just don't tip yourself. That's what pisses me off! I spent the time to write and you comment it liked it, flip yourself 1.50 vote and leave my blog post .15 cents? WTF is that?

It seems here is not a shame upvoting yourself.

On Facebook it seems it is a shame liking your own posts.

I posted few month ago on Facebook:

Liking your own posts is like sucking your own dick.

The difference is money

Yes, right man. People bought with their hard earned money SP... it's normally to upvote yourself

And I made few days ago a post steemit vs facebook, but I realised now we can't compare them. Steemit is our business, Facebook is Zuck' business only

@tamim so we can make another account on steemit?

No. And please do not spam because your rating is going down

yea yea

@jwolf i need to change this account his reputation is already too low that's why i'm asking this

Some of us minnows upvote just to get something for a post. It seems tough to get anyone to see my posts. I am not alone.

There is nothing wrong with upvoting your own content. What's wrong is ONLY upvoting yourself and no one else.

People need to pass the rewards around or else it would be as enjoyable as it is now.

@tamim I hear you brother! And agree, one of the things that drew me to Steemit is the upvotes you can also give yourself - plus if you put hard earned cash in to power up you deserve the payout..

The whole community is doing it but some consider it as unethical while this is a grey area of the platform @tamim

Honestly
Upvoting my work I don't think it as bad
Yes I understand that we have to upvote other people too buy I always do it as you can earn rewards by upvoting good content
So let's keep things as they are and let everyone upvote themselves
Or impose a rule on the big whale 🐳 and.. Bye. Bye investment
I love it as it is and hope it remains the same
But hope people will upvote more often the newbies like me and many others to give us a chance to make some rewards and only in this way steemit has a big chance
We the small fish are sharing the news upvote the post and comment on every thing we see interesting

You are completely right, but I will tell you something apparently it is a catch all 22 I vote for my articles because no one is voting for them, and no one is voting for my articles because everyone is busy voting for their own articles. Example, I just posted an article just some charts with the price of Steem, so far I got 1 comment 0 votes, so I have to upvote myself, luckily for me my upvote isn't worth much so I don't get any bad looks from others, I guess if your upvote is worth a lot people will notice and complain.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Absolutely agreed, @tamim. The Public shaming is unwarranted. Who is to say that if you up-vote at least SOME of your own content, that you ignore everyone else? People throwing around such accusations don't know the full story, and even if that WAS the case - who are we to judge?

I'll use myself as an example. I usually upvote my own comments, but that doesn't mean I'm selfish. Yesterday I won a whale's voting power for 3 hours, and I distributed over 450$ back to the community, while keeping less than 40 dollars or so to my own posts. If you look at my wallet, I only have about 290 Steem Power to my account.

Keep up the good work, @tamim. New follower here.

Be sure to check us out at
https://armageddonbroadcastnetwork.tv/

Best Regards,
@abn

Tamim this is so well written, I see people all the time with a low rep because someone down voted content that was just some working there butt off to get big. I agree with you 100%, people should have there own thought and keep it to there self or make a post. If people will just stop complaining to the ones putting in work they could be at 1000 steem because of content they create. The community shouldn't look at the dollar signs, they never did on other platforms till this one showed up. I am glad you brought this to the light thank you. RESTEEMED

If this is an issue, then I think people are just taking everything too seriously. Just have fun and stop stressing out if someone who has tons of SP votes for their own content. If they accrued that, then let them do what they want. Same thing with Powering Down. It's totally fine for someone to want to pull some money out to trade other assets, go on a vacation, or whatever else they want to do. I think people are just hating because they don't understand why someone is getting $10 or whatever for their own upvote when they are getting practically nothing. If you have a lot of SP wrapped up in your wallet and that means that you get large payouts for your influence then so be it. No one is forcing you to use this system and I doubt that self-voting is going anywhere anytime soon, but that's just my 2 cents.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I am shameless and decentralized, I upvote both my comments and blogs if you have a problem with it talk to yourself, please don't share your opinion with me and in the words of trafalgar, I am one of those guy who create multiple tinder account just to right swipe ourselves.

I typically upvote to raise my comment to the top and make it more likely to get an answer. That's a pretty nice benefit of having a bit of steem.

Steemit was engineered to reward self upvoting, and the default option when publishing a post is to upvote it. So I don't understand why the sudden stigma on upvoting your own content. With that said, all Steemians who have spent any time on this platform know that in the long run they do better when they upvote others at least as much as they upvote themselves.

Wow, this was a very insightful post!

I am upvoting this comment at 100% in solidarity :)

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Yes we don't need another moral police in here. I left twitter and facebook because of the random censorships and policing. But steemit seems to be worse off as each individual whale is a law unto himself having the power to crush someone's reputation using his own moral yardstick. The flagging system should be removed from steemit or people will just start quietly leave from here too.

sorry my vote actually gives more than 0.01 now my tributes for fondling are worth more now!! take my money
It's truly special to see a community and platform help in occasions :) your writing is amazing to say the least. Have a wonderful day

Hit me with your rich and fat upvote of yours to see what it feels like! 😂😂😂💸💸💸💸

i'll hit you up with my feeble poor upvote because we do not know what it feels like... lol Great response to a whiny fatcat. I personally do not see a problem with upvoting your own posts, as i thought it did that automatically. I do have issue with those who seem to only upvote their own content....yet reap the rewards of those who do upvote their content as well... that's just greedy.

For a place supposedly full of libertarians, there's an awful lot of rules. You keep doing what you feel is best mate, fuck the naysayers.

Well said, undesired behaviour should be regulated in code and code alone... The code is law!

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

@tamim I couldn't agree with you more. Only thing people should call out is someone plagiarizing other people's content. Other than that this is the wild west of message boards. If it's frowned upon then why is it an option? I upvote all my efforts. Big or small.

Personally I think upvoting yourself is fine but I can see where an issue could arise. If you(a whale) posted a comment or blog just saying "dude" you could easily make it a top seen comment or blog despite a minnow having a better thought out post. This is very discouraging to minnows as they see a simple comment make a ton/get views and their comment/blog makes nothing.

I think the best fix would be a reinvest button you could click and direct all or a portion of your vote value to yourself without actually posting. If you wanted to post and upvote it that's still fine, but if you just wanted money you could get it without voting for a random comment you made.

That is an issue with self votes, they discourage new users that are in it for the profit. But we don't need those anyway, do we now?

(I like your posts)
Decentralization should mean that policing should not be done on an individual level with downvotes. It must be done at the community's collective level of mechanics and consensus.
So, not to embarrass!
Remember, one person's rubbish is another's treasure. Some spam may be really good.
I hope I offend anyone (thanks for sharing)

I dont understand....EVERYONE does it though, you can look at everything posted on trending and hot and every single one of them when the post was first put on.... they all had 1 vote...from the original poster....

I dont think theres anything wrong with it

If there IS or WILL BE then i think a lot of people will begin to leave the platform, so far its been pretty open and a care free place, but once too many rules come into play people lose interest

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I think the issue is everybody associates a flag with having "broken the rules" which is somewhat problematic since there are no official rules. However each individual has their own standards of what they deem valuable or potentially damaging to the network. It's only human nature to react emotionally when somebody expresses that what you're doing is "abusive" or "bad" or even "unintentionally harmful". But we have a system where I believe we need to be free to express that when we feel it.

Otherwise people just leave quietly (and many people have).

I'm a new user on here and this post was eye opening to some of the concerns of the community. I'm glad to be part of it though.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I don't think there's anything wrong with upvoting your own posts either....I mean....there's a button specifically for that. I've only been here around 11 days or so and I just automatically started upvoting my own posts (I'm pretty sure the 'upvote posts automatically' button was defaulted to be selected and I just didn't switch it off).

I haven't heard any complaints about doing that either....granted.....my content is not pulling in huge rewards (at this point anyways), so maybe it does really have more to do with some people getting upset once rewards are larger, as you've stated. I haven't though, upvoted any of my own comments.....I always just let others do that for me (or not).

I think the whole intent is really to encourage good content though, of course, and the rewards and social norms on here seem to try to align with that. I think encouraging good content is important but I have heard others say that the rewards are not really based on good content. I like to believe they can be though as that seems to be the original intent here and the more the rewards actually reward good content, the better......in my opinion anyways.

No it is not bad at all

You are one of the best content creators on this site I commend you for standing up to evident you put hours of effort into your work.

Excellent job!

Comment quelqu'un peut te faire des reproches? Tu as investi beaucoup dans Steemit, et c'est grâce aux personnes comme toi que ça marche. Tu as déjà beaucoup aidé et soutenu, moi et bien d'autres. Alors tu as aussi le droit de publier, et de profiter de ton propre investissement. <3

Excellent post.
HF19 has so far been quite destructive to us little peeps down in the swamp and the bluffing and blustering that has been going on has been tedious to say the least.
You are correct and as a big investor came in to this with the hopes of moving Steemit and yourself forward. As of late that is not the case.
It's your vote. Spend it how the hell you like.
For myself, I see it now as a failing pyramid scheme that has lost quality of posts and limited reward. It can be fixed, but not by some going into denial about the real problems.

I sure hope this does not turn into a dictatorship with the whales running the show. That would certainly kill us because that is what is already available on the main stream networks.

And up voting your own content is a problem?? I wouldn't think so, your own comments I can see that.

Good content, you are telling about voting votes that choose to own content, this becomes a useful information for readers.

I honestly didn't know people were having issues with upvoting yourself. I have done it since day one.

[...]Fortunately, any work that is getting a large concentration of votes is also gaining the most scrutiny (publicity). Through the addition of negative-voting it is possible for many smaller stakeholders to nullify the voting power of collusive groups or defecting large stakeholders. Furthermore, large stakeholders have more to lose if the currency falls in value due to abuse than they might gain by voting for themselves. In fact, honest large stakeholders are likely to be more effective by policing abuse and using negative voting than they would be by voting for smaller contributions.

Sadly, the Whitepaper is largely outdated and some of these quite smart thoughts were made obsolete by the latest fork.

I agree with you that it isn't an attractive investment, when everybody wants to have a say in how you use your stake. At the same time it is necessary to protect the value of this project ...

nah i think its ok just give others votes to

I say do what you want. The internet is free for all to use. If steemit really wants to take facebook out of the driver's seat then they would allow it and do the filtering with their own team. Certainly that has been discussed within their teams. Giving the people to decide what stays and what goes is also good but there needs to be a power house with the last say or things might get a little out of hand. Cheers!

#follow4follow

Just upvoted you with whatever i got...good post, nothing to add....its your $ and do what u want with them

I think you must respekt what you post , if its make value for you upvote it !

To be honest we don't want this place to end up like Facebook and Instagram. I feel what you post, how you upvote, or what you do on steem shouldn't matter. As long as you are respectful & not hurting anyone, people should be allowed to voice there opinion no matter what. If people are angry at how much money a person made on a post, this place is not for them. We should all be happy when a post makes a good amount of money, this shows we all have the opportunity to make it to. But the money should be the last thing we worry about here. If you post content in your heart that you truly think is good great. If you make money on that post it should just be considered a bonus. We are all here to help each other and bring up this community; we are not here to hate on another person getting paid that's ludicrous. This thing we all love called steem is bigger then you and me if we are already getting mad an arguing in the beta, what's going to happen when it's official. Dope post very insightful 🙏🙏

Well nothing more to say about it. I mean if you have the power use it. I would do the same and everyone who complains is just jealous about not to be able to do the same. I am a so called "minnow" myself and I fight to get more power, but if there are no rules... is it different in the real world - I do not think so.

If you aren't supposed to upvote yourself, why do they have the automatic upvote button when you are creating a new post? I'm pretty new around here but that makes no sense at all to me.

I understand what your are saying. It's hard to make everyone happy in this situation.

I still don't know a lot about this platform and learning many things everyday. Thanks for your insight.

Hm, I don't think it is bad, if it was bad when was develop that system it had disable this feature. I yhink this is an feature not a bug. and because it's a feature everybody can use it. if it will become a bug, for sure it will be disable. :)

I do not agree with the focal point of this article. However, I agree this opinion should be voiced. My contention is, the word judgement gets thrown around a little too much. As a professional writer of op-ed, comedy, etc...people are paying you & searching for original thoughts & meat on the bone. We are subjective, not objective voices. The word judgement could be supplanted for the word actually describing what a community like STEEMIT is good for, "discerning". As in, not becoming a catch all for everything. I like the democratic system of voting on content here. I enjoy knowing that even if someone invests in STEEM Dollars (which I see as the wrong way to go. I feel we should trade dollars for currency we actually like as a value play & not a speculative one), we still have to post & comment on good content to ensure the cream rising to the top. Maybe it's because I run a business & see this platform as just that, a platform & not a casino. So, I don't need money from it but it is a nice ancillary benefit. Let's just all agree that at least we can STEEM our opinions without the responses devolving into verbal defication & character assasination. Though I disagree with Tamim on this point, it is still as valid as my opinion. STEEM ON MY FRIENDS!

Yes, you are right people with high power can manipulate the system. That needs to be addressed.

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I agree. Upvoting your own posts shouldn't be a cause for critics to act like self-righteous vampires.

I've noticed that when I post, my upvote is automatically included. So to keep the critics happy, I must then quickly un-upvote.

If the platform doesn't want to reward people for self-curation, that is upvoting your own posts, they could easily just pay no curation for self upvotes. Wouldn't that take the air out of the critics balloon?

But as it stands now, steemit pays for self curation. So I will start upvoting my own posts now. I say go ahead and upvote anyone's post, even your own, as you wish, without the self-righteous critics becoming self appointed steemit police.

My upvote only added 0.04, so un-upvoted myself....

And I got your point about spamming 😁

Hey , its your SP , do whatyou want with it ! IMHO

Well said @tamim

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I don't think it is bad to the money from one pocket to another! I mean, just once or twice!

Now, leaving the joke to one side, you're right in everything you write. You do not make money unless you invest!

Good post @tamim

Are upvoting yourself @tamim ?