Should I be ashamed?

in steem •  6 years ago  (edited)

I was just reading a post by @nonameslefttouse that is a very interesting read concerning bidbots, promotion and organic support that most people could likely benefit from. Earnings are obviously a big component of the platform and a key component to any success for Steem as a content rewarding platform ad therefore will always be a subject of relevance. My question today is, should I be ashamed for earning here?

Pulling a quote from the man himself:

Ever since about the time I earned my first 10k in Steem Power here, I've been noticing how people change their attitudes towards me. It seems once one reaches a certain point, many start looking down on you. You get called names. People think it's impossible to do well here and if you did, it must be due to foul play. No matter what you do, how hard you work, how much you give back; people will eventually start to despise you.

Am I despised for having earned here? Do people make the assumption that I have made backroom deals to vote trade, dropped links begging for support, done something untoward to have earned the 25.236 Steem in my wallet?

If so, that tell more about you than it does me.

We live in a world where financial success tends to come with the assumption of underhanded actions to have it, unfair advantage, lying, cheating, stealing. To be financially successful is admission of guilt to the willingness to crush others down in a greed-fuelled process of maximization of the self. Although there are plenty of cases where this is true, it just isn't true in all cases and to assume such points toward a lack of understanding of how this world can work.

No one seems to say that it isn't fair that Jordan earned for being able to dunk a basketball or have a 36 inch vertical leap, no one cared that Beckham earned by being able to curl a soccer ball into the corner of the net. People do not make claims that a sports star sucked a dick to get a spot on the team, the assumption is that it was their talent and dedication that got them there, their training, experience and above all else, their consistency to produce time and time again.

Transfer that to earning directly and all of that goes out the window, talent, practice, training, knowledge, dedication has no part in financial success; and on Steem, it is all just a circle jerk. The idea that there is no way to earn here organically is complete and utter bullshit. If you hold such thought, let them go because you are wrong and it is only doing you harm.

Yes, I have met people, made friends, chatted, been recommended, had my work dropped in chats and have been lucky to get some of the support that I have received but, if one thinks that this is not organic, you are again mistaken. This is how a community should work, based on relationships formed, conversations had, talent, word of mouth and support for those who consistently show they are worthy of support.

What is worthy? I do not know. I do what I do and support comes or it doesn't. I have done what I have done for a very long time now and on Steem I have done it for zero reward, 1 dollar and 100 dollars. I have had times where the support has been non-existent for months and months where I feel spoiled but, here I am each day, doing what I do as well as I can do it in any given moment.

Should I be embarrassed for being rewarded by the community? Should I forgo payment on posts that people tend to generally relate with and use to build their own positions so that others who are inconsistent and unwilling to develop a well-rounded approach, unwilling to engage or learn how this complicated platform works can earn a few cents more? So those who have constant powerdowns running can extract a little more for their own needs?

Am I financial success? Hell no. I am in debt. I have been in debt a long time and the last years have been incredibly hard on my family but, there is a chance here for me. Finally. A chance where I have a place where I am able to use the skills I possess to not only earn but actually help people in some way develop their own future. In January I will have been on Steem for 2 years and I am still yet to use a Steem for something personal. Not one.

It might be the stupidest hail Mary attempt in hindsight but I have a vision for Steem and for myself and family where things are better for many. It is risky but what I lose if it fails is a massive amount of time I could have spent doing something else, spent with my wife and daughter, spent watching TV, drinking with friends, living a life.

There is an opportunity cost to every action and my approach comes with a very heavy time investment both from a content creation perspective and the social interaction. I spend a great deal of time in the comments sections and, a fair amount of time trying to learn how certain aspects of the platform work and trying to present them for community benefit. It is hard to put numbers on these areas, but I think I have generated a fair amount of value for the platform across several areas. But, no one is asked nor ever forced to throw a vote my way.

What bugs me about the platform is that those who believe that it is impossible to succeed her without being an asshole either haven't truly tried or, are assholes themselves who's first action is to find a shortcut to earning and when they don't get the results that way, assume that those who have managed to earn just have better cheats enabled. They look at the size of a wallet or the pending payout on a post but do not observe the pipeline that led there.

Pipelines will be another post but what people tend to discount is that behind the words of the people who have organically made it here is something that some lack, experience. Couple that with other aspects such as writing and presentation ability, willingness to experiment, learn, adapt and actually get to know people on and off the platform and there is a high chance of getting organic support. Assuming that one can just show up, post and earn without consideration of the environment at all is only possible for those who are incredibly lucky or, buy votes.

I have spoken about it before but I a have always had an aversion to what would be considered success, I have minimized myself and reduced effort at times to stay out of the spotlight, to fly under the radar. When it came to attention seeking, I threw the game so that eyes wouldn't fall on me. I don't want my daughter to be the same if she has talents, I want her to give all of herself to the world in which she inhabits, to not hold herself or skills back. Should she be punished if she manages success, should she be ashamed if she earns, should she hide her accomplishments?

Even if she winds up curing cancer, solving energy problems, writing the next great novel? Should she go unrewarded if people see value in what she does?

@nonameslefttouse's post has made me question my position here as I often do except from a different perspective than normally. I have worked very hard to get to where I am on this platform yet still feel embarrassed if I have a post that earns 80 dollars while someone like Joeparys has 1800 dollars of bought votes coming out of the pool for a position in trending to tell people success is buying votes, Haejin self-votes 3000+ a week on posts no one reads or pinkspectre has 2000 coming on 70 dollar posts with 1 comment on each while it all goes out to Bittrex. Should I be ashamed?

At times, the level of entitlement at Steem fills me with dismay because there is an opportunity for people to really explore their talents and be part of a community whilst being rewarded for it but, so few are willing to actually explore. So few are willing to find a way to connect their unique skills and experience with the audience but they damn well want rewards. It is like creating a restaurant with food no one wants to eat and then expecting people to keep coming in and paying for the meal whilst complaining that the restaurant next door's food is too good.

This entire platform and the concepts of decentralized communities is about taking responsibility for experience, no matter the environment and, the consequences that come with it. You will never know the price I have paid to be here, you will never know what it will mean to me if this survives and becomes a place many people will want to play. Rather than cutting down those who truly are successful here to make yourself feel better, try learning from them instead.

The answer will be the same for all. Learning, work, experience, consistency and time. But, what do I know as I should just be ashamed of myself I guess.

Taraz
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No one seems to say that it isn't fair that Jordan earned for being able to dunk a basketball or have a 36 inch vertical leap, no one cared that Beckham earned by being able to curl a soccer ball into the corner of the net. People do not make claims that a sports star sucked a dick to get a spot on the team, the assumption is that it was their talent and dedication that got them there, their training, experience and above all else, their consistency to produce time and time again.

People who aren't hoping to be in that position one day might not say "it isn't fair." However, I bet there are some sportspeople who say it isn't fair when they are trying to get into those positions, but are failing. It's a kind of reflection of what we have here. Many who come on here want to get to the earning potential of some of the bigger earners here, so they'll look upon those doing well with envy. Letting that envy get the better of them leads to throwing accusations. Maybe aversion to working hard for a period of time does that too. ;)

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Envy definitely plays a role here and it is easy to get an incorrect or incomplete picture as there is so much going on and so much that goes on behind the scenes too. This works in the positive and negative of course. I also wonder what people consider 'giving it a good shot' means and how long the trial lasts.

I also wonder what people consider 'giving it a good shot' means and how long the trial lasts.

Good point. I suspect it's different for everyone. Did you event have a set period in mind to see if it worked? I can't say I've ever really thought about giving it a particular timescale. I guess I'll just continue it for as long as I enjoy it and see what happens. Certain things are outside of my control, so no point fretting about them. Just keep doing what's within my control.

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In January I come up to two years on the platform and I have told my wife that it is a 'heavy review point'. It is 330 am and she has been in bed 6 hours already and it has been this way for the last year and a half. When I say that I am putting in the effort, I don't do it half-assed. I see a future here beyond just my family so will work toward it to make it a reality if I can.

Wow! That is commitment! Not the sort I'm willing to give for the sake of my family and health. I don't think I could think straight enough to read a post at that time, nevermind write one and reply to comments!

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tonight I am not going to reply to comments (I think) as the treatment I had has me a bit migraine-y and wornout.

If we were in a better position financially I might not have put as much effort in either but from the moment our daughter was born, we have a financial blackhole formed and this could be a chance to escape. It isn't a free roll of the dice though.

Having said that, if I hadn't put the effort in would I have learend what I have and realised I can help more than just my family?

Children are certainly a shock to the wallet! When we had our first baby I'd been working up until that point and we thought nothing of getting quality cut bed, mattress and all the baby paraphernalia. By the time the second one arrived and we need to buy a little bed for the eldest, I was looking at the things we'd bought first time and wondering how we could have afforded the things we bought then! Luckily, everything lasted through two babies and was good enough to sell on when they'd done with them. They don't get any cheaper as they grow, either!

Having said that, if I hadn't put the effort in would I have learend what I have and realised I can help more than just my family?

That's what I love about Steemit. Not only do you get to help yourself, you get to help others too. As you grow, your ability to help others grows too. In a way it even encourages the more selfless people to work at growing their own account.

Hope you're feeling better soon. I haven't had a migraine since my teens, thankfully. Hopefully it stays that way!

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As awesome as our little one is, she is a money pit. Do you remember that movie from the 80s? :D

I think several people have already highlighted my opinion on the issue. Truthfully the bigger rewards you earn the more eyes on you, and most will come from a place of envy. You can't please everyone, so as long as you know and get positive feedback from trustworthy people here, you are on the right path

I am not bothered by the negative so much but I think that if not addressed, the idea spreads that it is true and discourages people from actually putting in effort. Be careful who you take advice from in my opinion.

You are prime example of how someone can triumph on Steem through sheer inspiration and grind. You produce walls of text, even at worst, of decent quality in 3-5 posts a day spiced with advanced amateur level photography. You've been at it for soon two years. To accuse of you achieving success through some kind of dodgy deals is absurd. Anyone can see who upvotes you and who you upvote. You support a plethora of authors and commentators day in day out. You also have a very wide base of support.

Your success is a result of cranking out quality on the regular, rain or sunshine. You haven't had a Whale, an Orca or even a Dolphin to support you through the difficult early stages.

You also have a very wide base of support.

I think that this is something that people miss when they look at payout. I have been here long enough to know where many of the circles are and they are often relatively tight affairs. It is the problem with having a limited view and extrapolating out.

Have your feelings. Let the envy flow through you. What are you going to do about it?
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My fate is no longer tied to the fate of dopey collectivists with no knowledge of history; that's why I'm here.
That's the whole point.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Sounds like what we'd call Janteloven in Norwegian.

No, there is nothing to be ashamed of - and the income you're getting isn't that great compared to the work you put down.

That said, I do tend to get a bit annoyed when some posters get more than $50 in rewards on every single post they post, even though I believe the quality of their posts stinks.

I live in Finland and that attitude definitely does flow through the culture here and as a result, there is a lot of homogeneous thinking and average. Cut down the tall poppies.

When it comes to rewards on posts, it also depends on the poster and other factors in some cases. Some post and get rewarded but they do a large amount of work in other areas and can be vital community builders in areas there is no reward. For each, it is good to understand some of the background.

When it comes to rewards on posts, it also depends on the poster and other factors in some cases.

I believe it largely depends on "whom are following you", as for myself I find it very easy to give some 80-100% of my votes to posts and comments in my feed. I can imagine it must be very hard for newcomers to get anything.

Of course, engagement and off-chain-activity, self-promoting and volunteer work does help quite a lot.

These days, if newcomers aren't willing to be part of the various communities, it i very hard to get visibility or the information pertinent to the platform. I find it amazing that many don't even follow steemitblog as if the information they provide is irrelevant to their future here.

if newcomers aren't willing to

I think this attitude is a problem. If we don't care about recruitment, then Steem will die.

I know you know better than giving second thoughts on such claims.

Well, shame and blame go together and it seems they do as the wind does - from places with high concentration of those to... ok, let's abandon that analogy but let's leave it in midair.

You do what you do. The better you do it, the better it works until someday you can rely on being carried by it.

Success leads to envy. Jordan had to learn how to deal with it. Everybody successful had, has will have to learn that.

The other important thing is to stay yourself even when you allow your past success to carry you for a while. The trick is to not get carried away, right? History says it isn't that simple but it should be possible.

I'll deal with it when I get there (famous last words?)...

Every successful person has to deal with various aspects but I find it interesting here that there is such a strong position of negativity and assumption as to how someone gets support. It is as if work never enters into the mind as an option.

Staying myself isn't much of an issue because I am terrible at being anything else and getting carried away is not in my nature. Remind me of that when I am trashing hotel rooms on drug fuelled benders :D

Well, I think it's the medium that makes it especially easy to be public and in the public's mouth. Certainly, you have support and followers who appreciate what you do. So that's what is important.

I don't know if the other thing gives you trouble, but the least one fuels such things, the quicker they should subside. I speak only in general, still... What I learned years ago trying to come to reason with forum trolls - that was some painfully wasted time.

I haven't spent time on forums or twitter. For me, trolls are quite ridiculous and immature. I am not ashamed but people do need to understand the ecosystem, not just the narrow sliver they are interested in. Those that come for the money should really spend more time understanding how the platform operates at different levels than the surface.

Beckham and Jordan and all those people provide a show, let's not forget that. People love a good show, a seemingly worthwhile reason to spend a couple of hours in front of the TV or on the stadium or wherever. Thus, nobody questions why these people earn monstrous sums of money. I agree with you, I'm just saying.

You should not give a fuck what others think - seriously, does it matter how others judge you? Here or anywhere else in the world, it only matters how you view yourself. If you've done right by you, then you're okay. Don't worry so much :)

I love that you have a typo (I think) that translated to a very poetic phrase (or maybe you meant it that way?):

What bugs me about the platform is that those who believe that it is impossible to succeed her

Yes, we definitely overpay for entertainment and underpay for real value items.

You should not give a fuck what others think - seriously, does it matter how others judge you? Here or anywhere else in the world, it only matters how you view yourself. If you've done right by you, then you're okay. Don't worry so much :)

I don't worry. I am not ashamed it is more to make a point for the ludicrous nature of people's opinions when it comes to such things. It happens a lot here where people take positions based on speculation and very little of substance.

"Don't believe the hype" is a rule for the older generation while the crypto crowd buy on it.

As much as I hate the word, people feel entitled. They see one do well and consider they deserve the same, rarely stopping to consider that perhaps we're talking about different amounts of work involved, time spent, connections made etc.
And some have a point, they work hard for little to no reward, but that's not really the fault of the person working hard for better reward (eg you).

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Exactly so. These days people look at successful people with a kind of negative bias. I guess part of it is shame/helplessness of what they have been doing in live. I have always looked at successfull people on how they do things, what drives them, what are their values, etc So I too can become better. I really don't like the negativity. Even when in situations it might be valid. Focussing on the bad stuff drains your energies/drive. This would not help in becoming a better version of yourself. What you focus on, you get more of!

I think a lot of people feel helpless yet also haven't tried to help themselves effectively, they have done what is comfortable. None of this is comfortable for me except these days I can write well enough, it wasn't always so.

If becoming a better version of ourselves is the goal, bringing others down to our level whether through attack or mental gymnastics doesn't achieve it.

Maybe I haven’t got to the point where I’m despised yet, but surely it's coming. Some of my posts have been getting near the $10 mark recently, so it that a reason for it, or is it envy?

Its took a lot of work to get where I am, and I don’t have the advantage of a 2 year old account either. As you say, all that time I could have been doing something else like scratching my arse is used here and it takes a lot of it.

Why should I get all these votes and only have an account that is 7 months old? Hard work and perseverance is the answer, and investing my cash into this.

I’ll be watching for the signs of it, but if you haven’t noticed yet it may be a while.

You bought in? How can you have money in the real world!? There are a lot of people who would benefit ore if they let their ass be itchy a bit more often ;)

The despise I have mainly got is from people with older accounts than mine who took different paths to today.

Maybe something we can talk about.. or 'shoutout' in less than a month.

indeed. looking forward to it.

Am I despised for having earned here? Do people make the assumption that I have made backroom deals to vote trade, dropped links begging for support, done something untoward to have earned the 25.236 Steem in my wallet?

that's their headache really. One of the fundamental problem with the steem community is that we are all trying to define each others experience. Personally, I feel my content is worth more than some posts I see on the trending section, but I do understand the dynamics of steem, and I am working towards having a better position in this community so my posts can be valued better. It won't just happen by writing good posts, I have to do other things too. And if I get to a position where I can earn $1000 for a shit post, well maybe I merit it, my post might not but I might.

I support @kevinwong, not because he writes the best contents. In fact he made mention of is inability to write that much content due to his workload. However he supports me, and I will support him too. What I am saying in a nutshell is that it goes beyond the quality of your posts, sometimes your earning capacity is based on your relationships on this platform and many may not understand and you don't necessarily owe them an explanation

And if I get to a position where I can earn $1000 for a shit post, well maybe I merit it, my post might not but I might.

This is something people miss here. It is a community, it isn't just content. There are real people at work also.

Getting 1K for a shit post. Well, I think not many people would be able to resist doing that.

Once, an important character on the platform told me: quality content is relative, but what's not relative is your ability to build profitable relationships, maybe there's a big part of the success on the platform.

I agree with him, and I don't think that dynamic is negative. Businesses work like this, and sometimes people forget that this is a business for most people and there's nothing wrong with making money. It's also true that those who complain about the lack of success and the need to "buy votes" to progress are often the least able to network.

The platform was conceived as a social media, nowadays it is much more than that. However... Isn't networking the most important point of a social media?

Once, an important character on the platform told me: quality content is relative, but what's not relative is your ability to build profitable relationships, maybe there's a big part of the success on the platform.

Business works like this, friendships work like this, marriage works like this... What is valued as a currency of the relationship might change but it is the value of the relationship built that provides.

Bingo.

You hit upon one of the posts on my list to write: entitlement.

There is certainly a rip down those who are successful on here. I am starting to get it myself. I think if you are under 20K SP, people are okay with you but once you pass that, the attacks come. Not from all, mind you but there are a vocal few.

I believe it will be my morning post tomorrow so watch for it. I agree with all you said here. And no you should not feel a bit of negativity towards any of your accomplishments on here. You are a consistent participant writing from the heart. That resonates with people.

And quite frankly, a lot of the size of one's STEEM account has to do with when he or she got here. Those who started in June 2016 were able to use that time to keep things growing. One who joined 3 months ago, well not a lot of time to add to the till.

For me, a lot of the vocal negativity have come from those who were here in June 2016 but are struggling today. The idea that the age of the account is what is important,as if what the account does, how they behave or, what happened to the earnings is meaningless.

I will keep an eye out. I was just reading your latest and was talking something similar with a client today. People do not understand where all of this will lead economies of all kinds.

Talk soon.

I agree. My life is on hold too with the eggs in the one basket scenario. backing steem to pull through and deliver. I have some way to grow yet though but it is how I justify the time spent on here to myself.
Everyone takes a different route to get to their goals and we can't really judge.

A different route doesn't necessarily lead to the same destination and for many, where they think they are headed is actually a loop.

There sure is a difference over that 20K mark. The worst for me is the snarking from those who were once on a level with you but powered down a lot of their stake and now snipe at those who are in a position that they could have been in.

Yep. I have the same experience as well as those who were here much earlier but felt comfortable that either it would always be easy or, thought it wouldn't last. I play long games.

I love the long games!

I can see some of the frustrations experienced around the community but I think it all comes down to you putting a value on yourself and what you see. With that perspective, you can support or not (even flag) to make your thoughts known. There will always be outliers and even trolls that will never be happy no matter what they see going on. What encourages me are the pockets of community that arise from the experience and what they are able to achieve through their support systems. If it helps, I value your content as it gets my thoughts going and pushes me to think outside my typical bubble; thanks for your dedication!

The small pockets of the community that are developing now healthily are going to be the major players in the next few years. People should be developing support networks, creating strong relationship bonds... making friends.

Wow, such wisdom .. my eyes can't bear it.

So few are willing to let others go about doing business their own way.. the trolling and aggressive attacks being done on people like @joeparys for instance, by people who really have noideaslefttowriteabout, is pathetic. It's almost embarrassing to observe. Unless one is experienced here, one could fall for all the whining, but to others it's very transparent fear and envy that others are entering a platform hitherto dominated by mediocre posts being upvoted by friends.

There's a blindness, an anger and disregard for those who don't do things exactly the way others wish them to.. it's so often i find people who can clearly write, yet they don't read or consider before flagging when it's someone they're not familiar with.. or worse, when it's someone who poses a threat. The biggest threat is from ideas, creativity, any actual product or service which might find traction. Good post by the way

Hi @tarazkp, I'm @checky ! While checking the mentions made in this post I noticed that @nonamesleftouse doesn't exist on Steem. Did you mean to write @nonameslefttouse ?

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Thanks for sharing dear friend @tarakzp. Best regards

Earning here is not easy sk if you are earning then you must be proud dear @tarazkp

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buenas tardes amigo @tarazkp deseo que este bien , lo felicito por su exelente trabajo en esta plataforma y que Dios lo bendiga . Se le saluda desde Venezuela isla de margarita. Lo invito a darse un paseo por mi post. Feliz tarde amigo

That got you fired up. That's how I feel but there's no way I would have ever had the time to word it so well like you did here today. It got people talking. That's good to see.

I'd talk about my recent experience with one of these hater types but it's already behind me. If someone follows that rabbit hole deep enough, they can see what was said. Follow the links further and might notice how you yourself, @tarazkp, also had a run in with the same guy. He did an entire post where he highlights how he treats people who make simple mistakes.