Many people think that STEEM is nothing more than a ponzi scheme where the early entries get richer while everyone else gets poorer. Being reared in the bankster world, it is understandable how people believe this. However, I am here to tell you that this is not the case.
On STEEM, the rich do not get richer. As a percentage of the whole, those at the top are losing power. Their "control" is diminishing.
Last week, actually 6 days ago, I wrote a post that showed, using @arcange's numbers, exactly what took place over the last 90 days. True to the system, the Whales and Orcas did not have as much of the pie 6 days ago as they did 3 months before that.
Here is that post:
Well guess, what, the same thing continues to happen. I took at look at the numbers at the end of January and might make this a regular ritual.
Anyway, what took place in the last week minus 1?
As a refresher, here is what the chart looked like back in October:
Here is how it broke down on January 25, 2018:
The total MVests here is 392,754.
On a percentage basis:
Whales 65.24%
Orcas 16.82%
Dolphins 10.04%
Minnows 5.05%
Red Fish 1.21%
Inactive 1.62%
Here is what the chart looked like for the end of January 2018:
The total MVests here is 382,412.
On a percentage basis:
Whales 63.72%
Orcas 17.54%
Dolphins 10.55%
Minnows 5.21%
Red Fish 1.28%
Inactive 1.685%
The change over that time period is as such:
Whales -4.8%
Orcas +1.5%
Dolphins +2.3%
Minnows +.3%
Red Fish +2.6%
Inactive +1.3%
Let us take a look at the breakdown of users:
1/25/18
1/31/18
So what does this all tell us.
To start: THE SYSTEM IS WORKING AS IT IS DESIGNED!!!!
The rich are not getting richer. People who proclaim this simply need to look at the numbers.
On Jan 25th, the Whales and Orcas has 322,325 MVests; on January 31st, 310,778...a decrease of 3.58%.
Naturally, we can conclude that one whale is powering down which caused the large drop in the Whales MVests. At the same time, we see the Orca number increase by one, which is most likely said Whale. Nevertheless, the total MVests under their control dropped a significant amount for such a short period of time.
It is true this could be an aberration although it does align with what the numbers tell us occurred over a longer period, the last 90 days. Logic tells me as more people join this blockchain, the numbers will keep following this trend. More people from the lower levels will move up the rankings, hence increasing those categories. At the same time, as evidenced by the last two charts, a big jump in the number of Red Fish also meant an increase in the MVests (+2.6%).
The final thing that I wanted to mention is this number: 8571
That is the total number of people who are Minnow (around 500SP) or above.
My friends, that is called being an early adopter....
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One should include liquid balances not only steem power.
Also, if A delegates to B what account holds SP in this calculations? Maybe it's simple whales generating more fake accounts and delegatint to them.
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And even the whales lose more stake, their steem power still increasing everytime you refresh their page. I don't see if there's anything to cheer about. It's just share dilution. The steem ecosystem compensate those losing stake by making your mvests more expensive. If you check steemd, steem per mvests is increasing every year. It only makes minnows to pay more to enter the STEEM ecosystem. This discourages a lot of people I think.
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this is a very good trend!
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As more famous people join, more and more traditional whales will diminish, but I do believe if sub-Steemits are ever created, each one will have its own individual whales.
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I believe the powerdown of the steemit account of 5m SP could have something to do with this...
Btw; could you tell us in your next week's article how much SP is needed to be a dolphin/orca/whale? And are these Numbers static or do they change with the total number of accounts (like 500SP is a minnow atm, but a dolphin in the future due to fact that 500SP could be enough to be in te top 1% at that time)?
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I think he already answered that.
Red Fish less than 500
Minnow 500 SP
Dolphin 5K SP
Orca 50K SP
Whale 500K SP
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Thank you,
where did you find this?
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If you include the inactive accounts, someone with 500 SP is already in the top 1%.
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Oke, i did some digging. It seems the top 7.500 accounts are above the +/- 500 SP level
Source:
https://steemwhales.com/?p=300
So for these 7.500 accounts to be in the top 1%, there need to be 750K accounts. A milestone we hit last couple of weeks already!!! For them (500SP+) to be in the top 0.1% 7.5M accounts are needed etcetera, etcetera...
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steemwhales has gone dormant, but close enough
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i think the whales profil delegate power
Their strength for new people on the podium
1 - due to low price
2 - To help defame and bring in the largest investors
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some truth in that i think yeah. either way, good to see things balancing out. i've loved my time so far on this platform. may it long continue.
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Thanks for clearing this up!
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I think the change in MVests for the whales will mainly (perhaps totally) be the @steemit account powering down.
The method they are using to do this, delegating power out to Utopian, DLive etc should push the rewards down to content creators at lower levels, which I think is a good way to carry out the diversification of the @steemit account, and should increase Steem Power for lots of minnows.
But I think this is the main driver. I'm not sure that it's possible to conclude that the system works for minnows based on this data. It's very much a one-off impact.
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I agree that the move was probably mostly @steemit since it is powering down totally.
However, what is interesting is that isnt a delegation but a powering down which means that it is moving out of the whale group.
Over time, this makes sense. We are going to see more of this.
It does seem the system is doing what it intended.
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Yes and no. The corporate @steemit account itself isn’t delegating, but it’s transferring Steem to other corporate accounts which are then doing the delegating.
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Let's hope this trend will continue. A lot of new users are frustrated because of the whales and these numbers prove the system is not rigged but will work itself out.
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That is true @pieter87.
I think a lot of new years become frustrated because of false expectations. People believe that coming on here entitles them to simply putting up a post and reaping in big rewards. That is not how it works. Few seem to realize, at least at first, that most people are in the position they are in on here because they put in time and effort.
That is the only way to make this work for oneself.
Unless buy in, the odds of reaching dolphin are slim in one's first month. It can be done over time, but it takes that, time.
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Now that I totally agree with. The perception people arrive with that it's a get rich quick scheme that's going to have money pouring into their accounts for posting any old shite needs addressing.
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True, those whales commited themselve even when the future of steemit didn't look as bright and they should be rewarded. But the balance just looks a bit off when you see these statistics, that's all.
And indeed new users should realise this platform isn't a get rich quick game nut the ones who start off with good posts should get a boost so they don't quit easely.
Unfortunately I saw some new ones in my niche 'diving' who started with some great underwater footage and compilations they put a lot of work in who quit after a few posts with a few of no votes. That's too bad because they could have been nice additions to our little subgroup with usefull comments and tips.
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I really like this series of posts that you've put together as it shows quantitatively that the system indeed is not broken. Not just in your opinion, but in reality. And as more people join and participate on Steemit the balance will continue to shift.
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I dont think there is any other option @moneyinfant.
As more people get involved, especially in larger numbers, we are going to see this continue. With the reward pool broken down as it is, it is impossible not to. There is no way the few can write enough articles to keep pace with all the newer people.
This change was a 6 day move....was it abnormal....I do not think so. It will be interesting to watch as the weeks go buy and the price of SBD and STEEM change. I wonder how that will affect things.
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Not abnormal, but rather a developing trend yes? And yes, as more people join there's no way for the few to keep up with the influx of new articles. Not just here, but on all the other platforms that have been gaining increased traction.
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I believe it is a developing trend...the last three months saw this...this is the first time I looked at a shorter time frame. There might be weeks when this changes, but I think over a long enough sample, like a month or quarter, it will be the case.
I have a feeling the overall effect will be tied to the number of people signing up and becoming active. As long as the active users are increasing, that is going to dilute the reward pool some. with roughly 65K active now, that means there are about double the content creators as there were just a month or so ago.
That has to have a major impact.
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I've been seeing the upward trend in number of users/posts made by following @penguinpablo for his Steem status reports. It looks as if the growth began in December, so it will be interesting to see if the pace of new users remains the same, decreases or if the upward trend gains momentum.
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His 4 week report for Jan said 129K user sign ups for that period...that is a huge number compared to where we were.
I would believe we are going to keep seeing a steady increase in sign ups until we get the auto sign up in the next fork.
D.Tube seems to be having a lot of success grabbing some of the disgruntled YouTube people.
Isnt it amazing that YouTube might turn out to be our greatest ally.
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At that rate I would imagine we'll have somewhere north of 250k active users by the end of the year, although the rate of adoption could increase substantially with auto sign ups.
It's certainly ironic that YT is looking like a great ally thanks to their own poor decisions.
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Power to the minnows!! Lol.. I love seeing the distribution progress. Regardless of my minimal influence now and regardless of where it goes, I'm here for the even distribution of wealth possibility. Awesome charts, nice to see. I'd ask where they're from but I just asked you for stat sources in another article of yours so I'll give you a break :)
Thanks for this!
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I think overall, it's a healthy platform when those with the most Steem Power are actually taking the time to seek out, interact with and reward smaller users. This is regardless of the distribution of wealth.
There will always be some greed, which naturally follows where the money is, but the STEEM community has built-in self-regulation, so can resist a lot of negative pressure which blights other social platforms (such as spammers). It's easy for bad actors to be downvoted, which protects the platform and its users.
One question I do have though...are the voting bots counted as whales, or orcas? Because a lot of bigger users seem to delegate their SP to bots, which makes them more money, but could be seen as a re-distribution of wealth?
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I do not know the answer to that @m-ssed-t.
I am not aware of how delegation plays into the numbers. Are delegated SP counted for the one who owns them or the one using them.
I have a feeling it is ownership since we look at the account values and see the SP there with the delegation a separate line.
Hence, delegated SP to bot will not change their standing if this is correct.
But yes, delegation certainly is a redistribution...whether it is like @fulltimegeek did, renting out, or what @ned did.
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Its quite interesting that inactive accounts holds almost equal mvest by percentage as the red fish /planktons.
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I agree with you @lordjames.
I am not sure how they come up with inactive accounts yet it shows there is a fair bit of power if/when people show back up.
The concept of all the power in the hands of a few is changing.
Over time, it appears this will continue to be the case.
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Nice post, I was thinking I should be a "dead account" and get way more. But I imagine as each new account is opened they get a delegation of SP. Too bad they are not using this delegation as they will one day lose it.
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Great post. I have a question???? I heard the terms whales dolphins red minnow etc... it there a place I can see what these terms mean in regards to Steem power? How much SP before you become a dolphin? How much SP are you considered a red minnow? I have never seen it spelled out anywhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Red Fish less than 500
Minnow 500 SP
Dolphin 5K SP
Orca 50K SP
Whale 500K SP
These are roughly the numbers since they are actually determined by MVests not SP.
But it is a good rule of thumb
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Thank you so much. !!!
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Awh, and there was me thinking I was a lowly minnow - I'm not even one of those (yet!)...!!!
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A very insightful as well as an inspirational article for the people looking to believe in the community and Steem system. A lot of time you need it especially when you are new to the system and again the aim to keep moving forward in that ~8500 user base is THE goal for me. About to soon cross 300, so target to be there in that top group by the end of Q1 2018 seems to be on track so far.
Thanks for this wonderful analysis articles.
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Good job @devilonwheels.
When people take a bit longer view of things, it starts to make sense. It takes time to build up a following, hence one's SP. You goal by the end of the quarter is very realistic. Depending upon what you are doing on here, you could be adding 7%-10% to your account per week. There will come a time when that is not possible, as it gets larger, but sub 500, it is possible.
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Thank you for the affirmation and yes, indeed the plan is to keep powering up till 31st December 2018 and that's the goal I signed up for Steemit. Having said all that about SP and rewards it might earn me, I have loved the journey of about last 49 days is the massive amount of learning I had undergone is just worth it :) ...
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it is a good trend, although, as I said before, at a very slow rate (that might increase with an explosion in user numbers).
One minor correction:
Your first sentence is missing a word. "think","say", "believe"?^^
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Thanks for pointing that out...corrected.
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Thank for the informative post. I just thought opposite of you. However, after I read this post, you are right actually. And I understand that people want to believe "the rich do not get richer". Because this is the easiest way to run away. They don't think they need to read articles and comment after reading.
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In the bankster driven world, that is the case...the rich do get richer at the expense of others. Yet on STEEM, it appears the opposite is happening. As more people cash out some of their big profits, we will see the next wave of people holding SP stepping up.
Also, as newer people come on in large numbers, their collect power will increase. Individually, their votes arent worth much, but as a unit, it is. And they will vote for who they know, thus empowering them.
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This trend should continue over a longer period of time, like a year, in order to be conclusive. It's a good idea to do this updates periodically.
What are the SP tresholds for dolphins, and whales?
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Written in the comment section already.
5K for Dolphine 500K for Whales (roughly).
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Couldnt this actually mean that the Whales are not posting as often ? I think to get a better snapshot, you'd need to look at postings too. Just my thoughts.
Great graphs though, I could read and look at this sort of number crunching all day :-)
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Some of the biggest whales rarely or never post.
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I am pretty confident this will level out even more over time, and in turn i hope witnesses and people running for it will also get more variation.
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Read this post and I am absolutely impressed at your analytical prowess ...damn ,this is so clear that any one, even a newbie like me would understand .
The system is not actually broken like you said. There is actually a logical reason to ever thing that happenes on steemit and youve just given us an on-site in some of those.
Thanks for this @taskmaster...I have done the needful as requested
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Thanks for this cryptocurrency news update providing..... i appreciate this post.
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always looking forward to your posts!
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Made my day again taskmaster, cheers dude <3
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Interesting info, although wasn't most of the statistical change due to just one whale selling up? Kind of shows how powerful they are really. Still, if all their SP was bought up by smaller users thats a good thing really
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Thank for your work but I am not sure that your assessments lead to the conclusions you are drawing. this is a small sample size which you acknowledge but you do not list any more than one particular reason for changes in percentages. There have to be more that can be compelling over this short period of time and with the platform growing at its pace. I agree that you need to continue to watch things. Also if you can get more data to see how attention is split over the different classes. Is it all aggregated to a few user within these classes? If so, some Whale could just be manipulating the system. Just a thought and thanks again.
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Usually if there is some sort of scheme going on it is not unusual for anyone at the top to take less of a cut to bolster up the bottom. Take for instance if the bottom layer of any scheme relies on the ability to keep a constant flow coming into the bottom layer to provide a return to those who have already invested and to those on top if the that flow at the bottom slows so does the returns to those already invested, they get disgruntled so those at the very top will take some of their money and give it to those below them until they can either get more bottom investors or the scheme ends up going belly up.
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Thanks for the response but if you have maxed out what you can receive on the top wouldn't you gain more by adding others to the bottom and getting more because they are there as well. In other words, stacking the deck?
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Yes you can try to keep stacking the deck, that would be preferred by those at the top but if they can't find more willing investors to come in on the bottom level they have to find a way to keep those in the middle happy, and they can only do that for so long if they are unable to find bottom investors because eventually they will run out of money and the whole thing collapses. If you want to understand more about how systems like these work and why they collapse read up on pyramid schemes (and there can actually be some legal pyramids, people like to say that Amway is one) and ponzi schemes, which in ponzi schemes there is no legal avenue to follow to make them legitimate.
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Thanks and yes I understand it all. But we are at the beginning and Steemit s growing quickly so finding new feed is not difficult. But yes the system has to become a real system or it will collapse. Just difficult to say now what exactly is moving things, but time will tell. In any case thanks for the back and forth and keep posting great articles my friend.
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Awesome analysis, as always this gives us hope. If this tendency continues and becomes the general trend for the next month's and years then I really think Steem will become the most powerful network on the internet.
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awesome post. Sometimes people can be discouraged and this type of posts should help with the motivation and inspiration. I have previously posted data on 'Controlling' Power. Maybe its time to return to that analysis
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Unfortunately, receiving a diminishing piece of the pie seems to be having the effect of whales becoming greedier and finding ways to make up for their lost income. For example, by creating bot farms to upvote their own shitposts and destroy minnows like @mitrado, who is powering down and leaving steemit because every post he makes is instantly zeroed out.
I'm glad to see that the whales are getting a diminishing chunk of the rewards, but they still have enough power to censor any user for any reason (or no reason), which I think is unacceptable and in direct conflict with steemit's anti-censorship stance.
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thank you for your analysis and great post
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I read your last post and this too. I think, that this trend will continue. And yet I think, that the number of newcomers on Steemit will increase rapidly
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Maybe the whales are now starting to delegate their SP's to the Red Fish?
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Hi @taskmaster4450,
Thanks for looking at these measurements and correlating the numbers into visual graphs. I found this very helpful as a trend measurement.
Stopping to measure what we have done (every once in a while) lets us re-focus and change direction if needed. I would say as a result of your analysis that we just need to keep steeming on. The system is healthy and working as it should. ;)
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good inf follow now
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A lot of the whales has been delegating a lot of their vested shares down to dolphin and even minnows in a bid to support certain advocacy that they have.
Some are even delegating a little to some of the promising red fish who are suffering from the exceed bandwidth issues that will plagued us because of the massive number of sign ups that we are getting.
A lot are also powering down and investing in others.
I'm interested to see how else the landscape will change if the current SBD peg reaches it's conclusion.
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If you're a whale and you delegate most of your SP, you're still a whale right? You still own the SP so you're position in the community shouldn't change.
I think you're right that a whale powered down, maybe needed to pick up some gold or ???
Great update Task, thanks for the numbers. I think I fall under a "slug" fish. 😎
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Interesting numbers. From my own perspective (and I've only been on Steemit 2 weeks now), it seems like there's an 80/20 distribution and it hasn't really changed. If you add up the shares of (Whales + Orcas) for the months provided, it still adds up to 80%. Therefore, could one not conclude that Whales and Orcas are just swapping around a few pieces of the overall cake, but their total share of the market is still 80%?
Anyway... one thing that interests me is how Whales and Orcas will gain/lose from aggregate growth in the Steemit platform. As I understand it, there are only about 700,000 Steemit accounts worldwide, so it's still relatively easy to control 80% of the market. It's the whole early adopter effect that you mention. But how will that figure change as Steemit moves past 1, 2 or 3 million users? If the percentage share of (Whales + Orcas) persists at the combined 80% mark, then I would think that people would have a legitimate complaint that the system is somehow tilted in the favor of Whales and Orcas (that these individuals were somehow "grandfathered" in as members of the elite, much like the landed aristocracy in Europe). Over time, a growing pie and culture of "abundance" should smooth out the original 80/20 distribution and make it much flatter, right? Maybe the Pareto distribution (where 20% of the users control 80% of the wealth) will transform into a Normal distribution (where there's a big fat bulge in the middle and very long tails on either side). In essence, with a Normal distribution, whales would become a rarity, as would very small red fish with just a few cents to their name. Over time, isn't a Normal distribution a much healthier distribution than a Pareto distribution in terms of equity and fairness? Just my $0.02 (literally).
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Cool trend, I guess with millions of new users flowing into Steemit, whales will further power down a bit to make a bit of a profit.
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great information.
thanks@taskmaster4450:-)
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@taskmaster4450
I saw that there is a small meme going around facebook telling folks that Steemit is a online version of some kind of prymid scheme or something of that nature.
I guess anytime something really begins to fire up people s hope for something that has true potential to change ones life, the haters and naysayers show up.
Thanks for showing us this is a level of a playing field, simply, if you don't quit.
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Every time I read your posts, @taskmaster4450, it's like I am in a class listening to a lecture. Your articles have depth.
I have decided I must read at least a post of yours every day/as often as I can. So help me God.
Come to think of it, the more power everyone fairly gets, irrespective of category you belong, the more confidence the entire Steem gets. No group must be seen to be unduly favoured over the other. And effort must be made to ensure that contrary perception doesn't hold sway. Perception is everything.
So far, the Steem team has done great. I urge them to keep up the good work.
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I think there should be more sub-classification for people further down the ladder.
What do you call newies like us with SP too insignificant to and far away from <500?
And secondly, how exactly is MVest different from SP? Are there specific parameters or features that differentiate them?
Thanks for this great piece.
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1 MVest is currently 488.795 SP.
SteemDB.com and several other sites display the stats.
Very small accounts are sometimes called dust. Prior to the adoption of the red fish nomenclature, plankton was a common term for those smaller than minnows.
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Yay! The red fish too are holding strong. This is a welcome trend where wealth is being distributed top down.
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Interesting to know this, never knew whales can actually drop in power percentage. Let alone the power down, those whales are distributing the wealth to the crowd.
Steem will dommed if all of them are just self-voting. Glad it didn't happen.
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Slowly we will chip away at their power until things are more stabilized for all users
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My friend, this has been my argument for those who complain that a single user is taking a disproportionate share of the rewards pool. By increasing the numbers of users, the influence that the whales have diminishes significantly. By building up the red fish and minnows, we resolve those issues. These issues only exist because the system is so new.
When the pond becomes an ocean, the whales can frolic all they want, it won't impact the community as a whole. Bravo for making the analysis. The solution: keep doing what we are doing. It will sort itself out. All that is required is time, faith and people governing themselves with peace, freedom, prosperity, joy and love.
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thanks my friend, this information and writing is very useful for us. we are here to become a millionaire together. let's help each other and mutual success and mutual support. Thank you friend.
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This trend will attract minnows to invest on steemit platform . As we have seen new 20k registrations come up , it's a good opportunity for all users to grow . I hope this trend will continue and minnows get rewarded for their time on steemit . This would encourage all users to post quality content in this platform which will result in the growth of this platform in the long run . Lets keep steeming !
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More fair than btc distribution, it looks like. You can earn on Steemit with determination and a mobile phone, you don't need mining hardware or anything else :)
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well honestly not read the post yet but i am really intrested to know more about them the wales and therier power so far
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Whales 63.72%
Orcas 17.54%
Dolphins 10.55%
Minnows 5.21%
Red Fish 1.28%
Inactive 1.685%
Only 63.72 % to whales , man this platform is different from all the others i have seen till now . That figure is the lowest of all .Generally we expect that figure to be somewhere around 80 to 90 , coming down to 60s is a major drop in stakes . Minnows at 5% looks good , everywhere else we see minnows at 1% . Next stop 10% Minnows .
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Very in-depth analysis. I am pleased with the quantitative increase in the number of plankton, fry and dolphins. This indicates that Steem gets new active users.
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Thanks for share this important news.
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I finally learned what classifies I minnow today. I thought anyone under 1000 SP was a Minnow, and anyone under 25 rep was a red fish.
Anyways, this is good evidence. I think I will use this to help my friends get on the platform.
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This is great to see!
Also been scrolling through some of your posts and it seems like you have a very conscious heard on your shoulders. Great to see as it is quite rare.
Will be following you now, though I don't actually have much time for looking through posts, will def check urs from time to time.
Blessings~*~
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Now its all clear! Thank you sir :) I kept on thinking if what is really happening to steemit these past few days for it is going down as the days pass by. I've seen some people posting their complains about the fast drop of steem saying if the steem is down the minnows will go down too but opposite to what will happen to the whales in which they are not affected to the issue.
But!
You proved them wrong sir, now I can sleep peacefully without thinking what will be my fate in steemit.
Since i am still new here, I dont have any idea if these things are just normal but i hope it is :) anyways, thank you for making it clear sir :) 😊😊
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These numbers don’t look that significant to me but if he trend continues, great! Will it? I guess no one knows for sure.
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I think the rich are still definitely getting richer on this platform (apart from the recent downturn), but the more important point is that the rich are becoming less powerful.
That is the big difference between the steemit world and the real world.
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Thanks for pulling all this information together again and give us the update!
I forgot, when a Minnow becomes a Dolphin - it just seems as a really huge step to level up - maybe there should be a rank between to make the gamification aspect more rewarding 😉
Anyways, this is not the important point - much more important is to see, that people are gaining SP and the wealth spreading at a faster rate.
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Logic 101
Your analysis would work except for one very well know fact about ponzi schemes: That it isn't uncommon for anyone at the top to take a hit to keep the scheme going.
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good work! I've been seeing your posts around, but somehow hadn't gotten around to following you yet!
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