Here is what I think we should do with all things Steem.
Make it as easy as possible for end-users to get on the site(s) and engage with others or games or whatever front end they are on.
Reward behavior you want to see repeated.
Ignore non-malignant behavior.
Punish only the worst behaviors and allow end-users to retain their dignity, while they are corrected.
Use stake to incentivize behavior you want to see repeated. Usually Building something, engagement or retention efforts.
Bring attention to Steem whenever possible with whatever ability you have to do this. However, set realistic expectations when discussing it.
Invest revenue back into the Steem Economy or redirect Steem to people who do.
Stakeholders get paid when the value goes up.
We need gamers, stakeholders, developers, end-users, site cleaners, bidbots, authors and casual users. It's fine to stick to your own preferences but don't underestimate the value of the rest.
This is a young economy during a bad economic cycle. Be patient.
Everyone can contribute, this isn't going to build itself.
@whatsup,
Hope you can put this at STEEM Alliance and people might work on it!
Cheers~
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I love how positive this is and yup, I just discovered your @dramatoken and I find it fun. I'll post about it soon, everyone should know about it, I love how it works. I have the Plankton Token but I need a lot of work in that. Cheers!
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Cheers!
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Yeah, it takes some time to get your token up and running smoothly.
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I think this is a good list. Unfortunately, I don't think too many people will be onboard with punishing the worst behavior. In fact, I think the opposite happens. In my experience, whether or not someone gets punished is directly related to their stake. A Minnow acting like an asshole gets hemmed up real quick. Whales on the other hand, quite often get defended with "it's their stake" kind of reasoning...which is not necessarily bad. However, it shouldn't really come into play as to whether or not a behavior is bad.
I think in order to meet the goals of your first item, we have to institute a real reputation system. The current reputation score can remain as the upvotes score or maybe influence score, but it has never really been about reputation. In order to encourage free engagement, I think each user should have an equal say in determining reputation. Doing this would also empower users to punish bad behavior without having to rely on whales who are reluctant (and rightly so) to invest their SP in policing activities.
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The thing is that justice comes in the end. They have to most to win or lose. If they continue to make bad choices they will continue to see bad results.
The rest of us have a choice in whether or not to participate.
I'm not sure what reputation has to do with each one of us contributing at whatever level our stake is at.
Nowhere did I say that the end-users should dictate to the whales.
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I don't believe that I implied that you said end users should dictate to whales. I consider whales to be end users also (in many cases). I also believe that the behavior of all end users should be judged on the same scale. That's why reputation is relevant.
Bad behavior is bad behavior regardless of stake. A lower stake user is currently discouraged from correcting the bad behavior of a higher staked user because they do so at the risk of the lowering of their own reputation score. This has happened many times. Ultimately, it undermines items 2 and 4 on your list.
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Yeah, you didn't imply it. I don't know why my response sounded like that, but when I just reread it... It did. :)
Yeah, I agree bad behavior is bad behavior. And I get the point you are making about Rep.
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Steem needs to be able to ban bad users the same way bitcoin bans bad nodes.
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Some things need improvement more than others. For example most bid bots need standards.
I would love to see an option to pay out higher curation rewards as a trial run. Have the ratio at the top of the post along with out going transfers and whether or not the account is powering down.
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The bidbots owners do not take responsibility to cleaning up their own messes or contributing to those who do. While that frustrates me it is in the hands of the community to pulll a little profit from those who are abusive.
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One thing that stands out to me is allowing lower end users to retain their dignity while they are corrected.
There are so many people run out of town for making mistakes and not being allowed to make amends and learn from them. There are also bots who have permanent black lists whose owners have no interest in pardoning or permitting them to correct the behaviour.
Heaven forbid you get on the shit list of some of the folks who are searching for flags to hand out!
A good growing blockchain will have to be inclusive and witch hunts should be rare and for special cases showing no end to the abuse.
Great list for sure as so many people have said!
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Seems like a good list.
If we "clean house" a bit, seems to me that growth in activity can come both from the inside, as well as through promoting Steem to the outside world. We might also attract a more dedicated user if people toned down the whole "make money on Steem" as the primary (and often only) reason they give outsiders for becoming part of the community.
Yes, this is a very young economy. Patience is necessary; this is a long term proposition.
=^..^=
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A great list indeed. I love the thing about giving chances and bringing back the dignity of the ones being corrected.
Everything in that list is significant to the Steem ecosystem. Aside from being very active of course. Let's all be responsible members. Thankful for this post.
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Do you think that STEEMIT INC should set up a curation initiative? They have SP and if they do it, they might actually do better than most others. But some don't wanna see the SP that STEEMIT INC. holds to be used. I feel like using it to help promote Steem outside of Steem then keeping the new users on by helping them with votes might be one way to go.
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Their voting account @freedom has delegated to @ocdb.
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I think they should spend it, not curate with it. Curation by Steemit will create so much drama. Look at how much crap they are already getting for literally everything they are doing or even not doing.
Delegating to projects and apps is another reasonable idea.
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See, if I had influence on them. I would want them to delegate often smaller amounts and make all delegations temporary.
So you let a lot of people use resources, but they don't get to keep them forever. Just a short boost while the app becomes self-sustaining. The brightest people would figure out how to get there.
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Sounds like a great approach
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I want their stake to be used. I also think their stake is theirs and not mine, so I don't have any say in it.
I've accepted they are going to do whatever they do. So, I no longer waste my time and energy wishing they would do different things.
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Their stake is their's, they can dump it and leave at any time.
Where the rub is is that the pool is a commons.
If they take from the pool all that is their right to take they make the game unattractive to outsiders.
Killing adoption affects us all.
That is how we lost proof of brain.
The greedy whales were killing off too much adoption even for stinc's insatiable appetite.
Now those same greedy whales have done exactly the same thing for 2+ years under proof of wallet.
Instead of the community regulating behaviors that harm the ecosystem stinc, et al, forced proof of wallet on us and called it all better.
Now their fragile egos will never admit their mistakes.
If the well being of the greedy whales is our prime concern is it any wonder that 1.5 million accounts have told us to get bent?
And, are you and i just making it possible to drag out the sham a little longer by encouraging waiting and seeing if they make a break for the exits?
I sure hope not.
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Yup, better spending time to better yourself than wishing someone else would do things differently.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Steem rules to live by.
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The great thing is that we can move between these roles as we deem necessary and I believe that potential and flexibility to be undervalued at the moment!
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Too bad no one hardly markets steem outside of steemit.. especially steem Inc, witnesses, and the whales 😂 #Drama
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Check #SEVEN77 on Twitter.
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Agreed. NathanMars has improved that. I don't know about anyone else, but the push ups seem redundant to me now. I love the movement, but time to switch it up.
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Good point on the redundancy. It was a surprise how hard 7 push ups were. Almost failed the 2nd day. On my 15th day today and things are progressing nicely. 😎
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Not enough and not compelling enough, I agree.
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Just bring jerry banfield back 😳😅😂
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So funny. These points should be obvious but for some reason aren't on Steem.
Worth repeating.
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Well, I think over time... Some people have forgotten we are competing in Crypto, not with each other. Some of the whale behavior is their desire to compete with each other.
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Nicely said Wuwu!! My angel (bad angel) 😛💋
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Not to forget the shitposters at Dmania.lol. We need them too.
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Yes, dmania was a win. It was wrecked by arrogance and jealousy.
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Everyone contribution counts, regardless of the scale. Nonetheless, doing destructive moves to the community or infrastructure is definitely something that should be halt and get no reward. I do think that meritocracy will make its way to build the platform in the right direction.
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Meritocracy as a value, is not possible in an oligarchical structure (stake based system).
And people with power do not relinquish it.
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I actually agree that "merit" in mostly an illusion here that makes people feel disappointed.
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...as it always will make people feel like this ( people with an ethical code) . It will stop/severely impede, the growth of this place. (as a social media platform).
....Which brings it back to my whining several months ago and why steem will be passed by platforms who do have 'merit' written into the system ( how ? I don't know.... gimme a break)
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Because some book you read told you what ethics are. Understood.
I've worked for publically traded companies where the Executives were doing blow and doing shots off my Assistant's belly. Did I like them... No, I did not.
Did they fail, no they did not. Did I manage to do my job ethically, yes I did.
You lose all my patience when you accuse me of being unethical by default. I don't care what your book says, I feel fine about how I conduct myself. :)
You just remind me of my Catholic Grandma and your Grandpa.... (said to poke you)
It's going to fail... Yep, and so with pretty much every corporation and government ever known to man, so where am I supposed to work?
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I never said this!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are putting words in my mouth!
(I've also been in the 'blow world' and lines off hookers - blah blah...and I also lived by ethical code - I'm along way from being an angel)
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Haha, you are right, you didn't say that. I got defensive, because suddenly after nearly 3 years of labor I start to see some success and suddenly now I am a cirlce jerker who isn't allowed to see any success after making 1k Steem my first YEAR. :)
You are right I was projecting.
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Punish worst behaviors by whom? A minnow or a dolphin can't do that if the offending party is a whale.
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You get exactly as much influence as you own. I find that to be fair.
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Well said. You have some good points there, which are not bad to remember.
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I think the number one thing is dumping Steemconnect and having ALL the DApps use Keychain, and of course, getting keychain working with Android and iOS. Even better, using Keychain as a true standalone wallet. Its a brilliant development.
This then removes all the fannying around with keys and permissions and general user unfriendliness our chain seems to suffer from. To move forward, my Mum needs to be able to join the party!
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Keychain is a big win and makes things much easier. I'm not sure how reasonable it is to ask people to download or install a lot of apps just to use a site, but it doesn't seem any worse than the duct taped wallets. :)
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😊👍👏
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I have a great trust on steem and can wait it to grow
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Perfect. Now of you can get some of the larger stakeholders to buy into this mentality we might start getting somewhere. There are a few of the biggest ones who are really damaging the work going in here.
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Doing my best.
I don't pretend to have influence over them, but that is most of the reason I preach Steen stuff a lot. I hope if it makes sense and it gets repeated others will also repeat it and it becomes a culture.
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I don't think many people have influence with those at the top all we can do is create our own culture. If enough people buy in to it then change will come.
It's the people who are active now that are the ones setting the tone. People will follow the behaviour they are shown when they join so the main thing is to set them on the right path from the beginning.
Once you have enough people working the same way then it's up to the others to adapt.
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I totally agree.
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We need bid bots to decline rewards.
The advertising still works, the posts still trend, but their impact on minnows ends.
They can conspire to set prices at current profit levels and not lose a dime.
Well, unless they changed the code just to prevent that option in one of their fork debacles.
Do declined rewards posts still trend?
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100% this. Absolutely !!! :D
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