Ever since hearing Mark Passio's podcast on Carnism, I have wanted to be a vegan.
I tried it the first time in November of 2016. I just started eating Quinoa and Roasted Vegetables and Tofu and other stuff for about a month. Then I got a stomach virus and a low grade fever that lasted for 2 months. I could not get rid of it.
Finally, I told my chiropractor what was going on and he gave me this immune booster supplement. I looked at the ingredients and it contained a bunch of animal organs. I did not know what to do - because I am in my 50s so I need to be more careful, and I don't go to "doctors". I am generally healthy.
I decided to take it to see what would happen. I got well. I went a long for a few more months. During this time, I had recognized that my way of eating was bad. I eat at the last minute. I realized that this dietary change thing was going to require a lot more of me than I thought so I should take some time to do it. I decided to give myself a year. I started in April of 2017.
First I began to just introduced more and different proteins in to my diet. Next I started to just try to eat different things during each meal. In my last minute world, I usually eat an apple and a banana in the morning and then a burger and salad at the last minute in the middle of the day and then something else for dinner - like eggs, so I can digest it to sleep. This is because my every waking moment has been, since I was a little girl, designated toward escape.
I do that through making art. I make art from the moment I am awake till bedtime with some computer research time in there and some outdoor activities, like dog-walking. I don't like doing anything that will make me feel present in my body. I start the day off with 16 oz of coffee.
I am not in the least saying this is healthy - but this is how I have been living my whole life. The whys of this are not important to this article, so, here I am, finally trying to make this change, and I realize this fact of my existence.
So I try to integrate the vegetarian food. I get rid of milk and ice cream, but not cheese, yet. I get my eggs from people who have chickens so that's ok. My roommate, who I take care of, is not interested in this project and continues to eat meat, hot dogs, milk, ice cream, cheese, etc.
Last month, I tried again. I go off meat altogether, eating tofu and tempeh and nut cheese, etc... and within a week I have a stomach virus again.
WTF???
I send an email to my Naturopath, who I can't afford to see now that I have lost my job.
Me: Both times when I got completely off the RED meat, I got sick. The first time I did it much too quickly and without education and I had a low-grade fever for 2 months. with an immune booster which was all organs from animals that I got from my chiropractor -
Doc: ******no logical explanation why low meat intake would have such an immediate effect. my thought is that without meat your need to generate stomach acid declines rapidly. With low stomach acid you are far more prone to infections or bacteria, thus perhaps this is an indirect reason why you get infections on a vegetarian diet. Maybe, or maybe that's all BS. no way to know......******
Me: The 2nd time I was easing into it much more slowly and with much more education and just substituting my meat with other proteins, etc but STILL I got a stomach virus after just a week off meat. The 2nd time I was eating lots of protein more than the first time.
Doc: ********again, not clear. you could try taking Betaine HCL with every meal, especially with raw foods to see if that helps..... I'm not super enthusiastic with that idea.
Me: It's beef that I seem to need. RED MEAT. My current solution is to now buy ethically raised meat from a farm in Saguache and give up trying to be a veg - but I am curious to hear your thoughts on this - I am going to cut down the amount because I like how I feel when I don't eat it as much but there is something in it I seem to NEED -what is it???
Doc: ******meat, especially red meat, triggers more efficient iron absorption, so perhaps that's it. There isn't much in meat that you absolutely need. Some l-carnitine, some iron. ****
Me: I believe I have type 0-negative blood so maybe there is something to that - that I need meat.
Doc: *******oh I was going to ask you about this next. As odd as this sounds we've certainly seen this enough over the years that I kind of think there is something to it. People with type O blood do poorly on vegetarian diets. No idea why. Read up on mediterranean diets. A little meat is a lot different than a lot of meat. Eating one cow per year is far kinder than eating 4 cows a year.******
So - I did. I ordered from this farm: KW Farms. I talked to someone who was waiting to pick up today about them. I had told @jayjayjeffrey that I can't drive to Alamosa to check them out because my car might well not make it that far - but I talked to a gal today who worked on that farm once and she vouched for them and the way they butcher is as humane as possible. She explained that they take the cow that is going to be butchered away from the herd, and bathe it first and then do that electrical shock to the brain.
I don't like this at all either but it's a lot better than the full on mistreatment of animals that happens in Greely, CO at the feedlots. Until I can figure out an alternative, this is what I will be doing.
I am open to hearing other people's experience with this or suggestions you might have. Thanks.
I tried this a few times, same with coffee and beer. Did not work well.
You will "maybe" enjoy my red meat post from yesterday
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@detlev - thank you for your comment - I will checkout your post as well... I also tried coffee - I found out that since I have been drinking coffee since I was 5 years old, there has been a reason for that - I was depressed at 5, and if I had to give up coffee I would have to go through a long spell of depression - like a year, so I have not been willing to do that. I do drink Fair trade coffee however. I have given up alcohol entirely a long time ago so that's not an issue anymore.
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If you want my coffee cup, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hand! :-)
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Muuuuaaahhhh - Seems we have the some family roots.
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yes... I have an extended family of like physiology...:)
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LOL
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Well, I have no suggestions for you about this subject, but I do find your experience interesting. I wasn't aware that people with type O neg blood have that problem.
I have no desire to be a vegetarian, I like the taste of meat. It's probably the primitive human ancestral thing with me. I don't eat a lot of meat, I have small amounts in my cooking instead of doing something like a steak or hamburger. I think the treatment of the animals when they're being raised is the important thing with eating meat.
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Oh I love the taste of meat alright, but considering the suffering that is involved in my tastebuds, I would prefer to learn to love other tastes... however - the sickness situation is such that I am going to sit with this a while. I am much too undisciplined to be able to deal with this sort of limitation in my physiology right now...if ever. To me how they are raised and how they are slaughtered is important. Temple Grandin, who teaches at UC Boulder, and is one of the first people to be diagnosed with Autism, figured out a way for them to be slaughtered humanely but of course no one implements this because why??? I don't know. Unresolved fear of death or something - but if they are not slaughtered humanely their collective fear, shock, pain, and sadness is collected in the morphogenic field which covers our planet - over 6 billion animals PER DAY being slaughtered on planet earth - 99% in fear and pain and agony - it's not doing much for our vibes... in addition to the fear, pain, and agony shooting through the meat and we take that into ourselves as our nutrition. Think about that next time you buy meat from the supermarket.
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The only thing I would add to that is this. Animals kill other animals for food on a constant and ongoing basis, and they don't spend any time thinking about how humane the killing is. They just kill and eat. The death of a prey animal is usually a gruesome thing, but it happens constantly. That energy of death is collected in the morphogenic field continuously also.
Humans are actually the only creatures on the face of this earth that think about the treatment of other animals, the 4 leggeds, humans are the only ones who concern themselves with the humane treatment of their prey animals, and the humane killing of their prey animals. Not all humans are capable of this kindness to other creatures, and not all humans care about the other animals, being only concerned with their own personal needs and desires.
I prefer to look at this in a way similar to the Native American outlook. We are not above nature, we are not separate from the rest of nature, we are part of nature, and nature is part of us.
We eat meat as well as plants because it's the way we evolved on this planet. We obviously don't need to eat as much meat as the average American eats, but we do need to eat some meat as part of our dietary needs. Without it, we have to go to greater lengths with our food to get the proteins, amino acids, and fats that our bodies need to function properly.
I think that as thinking feeling beings, the least we can do is to treat our food animals at least as humanly as we can, preferrably more humanely than we treat other humans. When the time comes, they should be killed as humanely as possible.
Sorry about the long reply, I got on a flow of consciousness and had to write it down.
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@amberyooper - I am happy with your long reply. That's why I am on Steemit. To have these kinds of conversations. I understand your point-of-view completely. And it used to be mine. It has a dab of Darwinian "evolution" ary theory in it: "Survival of the fittest". It also contains some "social" Darwinism - "dog eat dog" as well, both of which i have come to view as a Deterministic Psy-Op Paradigm put forth by the Dark Luciferian cabal that has been running the slave-state on planet earth for thousands of years … As I said - I listened to Mark Passio's podcast on Carnism and my world-view began to change. I began to see that "darwinian evolutionary theory" is bunk - yes it's true that a species "evolves" physically up to a point, and then - when it has evolved - if it is a species capable of holistic intelligence - (humans) then it is given FREE WILL and can evolve itself through CONSCIOUSNESS - Consciousness is broken down into 3 parts essentially - Thoughts>Emotions>Actions - all 3 of those should be congruent if the being is to be aligned with itself. I began to ask myself some questions - I have a dog. In Thailand they eat dog meat and have dog farms. People are in an uproar on facebook about the treatment of dogs on the dog meat farm in Thailand - calling the Thai's "sick".
Really? What the hell is the difference between dogs and cows? I look at that and I think about the 4 trees next to my building… a developer came along the other day and began to scrape the brick bungalow next door and literally hacked out the 4 trees with his backhoe - it hurt my heart - and I think about these things - because I am CONSCIOUS. I am awake. Yes, we have a small cabal of psychopaths running the world who give orders "people" who are asleep, who want to be ordered around, who agree to take the orders in leu of their own moral code - hence we have the condition we are currently living in. Do I want to participate in that. Yes, animals kill other animals for food in a gruesome manner, but humans have the capacity for holistic intelligence - we do have the capacity for change IF we are not indoctrinated into a system that tells use we can't change - and we buy into one of the 2 paradigms: "cultural religion" or "darwinian "evolution"", both of which have a common denominator of "we can't change" - our free will has been removed in both cases. In the darwinian psy-op - it's because our "genes" or our "animalistic nature" determine our behavior and in the religious psy-op "God" is the determiner… I no longer buy in to either of these paradigms… I know that I have the power, the free will and the duty to use my FREE WILL and align my thoughts, my emotions, and my actions…
Hence, I am looking thoughtfully at eating meat. I have found, gratefully, a farm that does humane slaughter. A few of my friends easily went vegetarian when we all started to "wake up" to this situation - however, I am just writing this article so that others can share with me - and lay out their point-of-view on the matter. Yes, I agree too with the Native American point of view but we are not living in Native America - we are living in a factory farm - in which "As above, so below, we farm animals (our brothers and sisters of another dimensional generation in consciousness) and we are farmed - how much different is us, living in a society where we use fake pieces of paper backed by nothing that is printed by the Dark Luciferian cabal, to determine how we trade our energies, and we have to work 40 hours a week, then a percentage of that is stolen by the same cabal via the IRS which is also a private company just like the Federal Reserve or else we our freedoms are taken by these "authorities" (of which there are none in Nature really)… I do now want to participate in this system now that I am coming to after a long slumber…
The true "evolution" belongs to an occulted "principle" of evolution and involution - centropy and entropy - which basically means that if we don't take ACTION we are going to DIE - centropy and EVOLUTION are the ACTION principle and entropy - or INVOLUTION are the decay and die through INaction principle. This knowledge has been occulted - hidden - so that there would be a power differential on planet earth so that the "ruling elites" could "know" and enslave us and "we" could "think" that Darwinian "evolution" is our fate - for which, by the way, there is no proof - in the fossil record...
We evolved physically up to a point, and now we have FREE WILL to act in a conscious manner using EMPATHY - and you mentioned that there are some people who don't care - yes that is true. If we are to not go extinct pretty soon - those who can care need to be awakened and those who can't - are psycopaths who need to be removed from their position of power given to them by the darwinian dog-eat-doggers...
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Dr. giving dietary instructions without checking your blood type? Especially with vegetarian diet problems. It's the first thing you check. These Doctors are "Praticing" medicine. Don't go to doctors for wellness issues unless you want to spend the rest of your short life going in and out of the hospital. I'm type-O also, read 'Eat Right For Your Type' 10 years ago... lol.... THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS INFORMATION!!!!
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ok @mjsnosk8er - this Naturopathic Doctor has been my doctor for many years - he is answering my email - I truly give him a break - he is simply going through my email and and answering all my questions in order of the email - that's all - he's a great Dr and I love him - he has helped me solve many issues in the past. I do most things myself - and all the blood tests that I have gotten in the past do not say what my blood type is - that is a special test which he does not know... and has not needed to know.
I know about this book and ideaology, but I don't necessarily agree with it, which is why I was asking him for his take on it - that's all. Thanks for your comment.
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Wonderful illustrated info. I thanks a lot about which. No doubt it will be very ideal for my long term projects. Would choose to see some other posts for a passing fancy subject!
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thanks @socialanne although I have absolutely NO IDEA what you are saying here.
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Hello😊 I've listened to quite a bit of Mark Passio and I like him. That said, he isn't right about everything he says. As for eating meat, I have zero ambition in stopping. I hate that animals suffer, but they do, and my eating them or not isn't going to change that. My best advice to you is this. Eat a healthy diet that works for you. Take vitamins and pro biotics. Don't obsess over the meat, just don't buy it full of gmo.
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thank you for your comment @roncrowder - I do agree with Mark on this issue, however, I have to find a different way, as I said in my article. I am not "obsessing". I am actually just BEing CONSCIOUS. I did find a farm that is humane. Gratefully.
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It's good to hear you're making an effort to reduce your effect on the animals.
I haven't been sick or got any problems that I could trace to this diet going on two years.
I'm not sure why you seem to keep getting sick, that sounds almost unrelated to diet. Could you possibly be having meat withdrawals? Or do you think your immune system is lowered for some reason? Just googled it and couldn't find anything.
I think what most likely is happening is that you're not replacing your meats with enough plants. You need to eat more when you reduce meat cause meat is more densely packed.
I also read some people reported they went fully vegan and stopped getting sick, then when they went back to vegetarian they got sick again.. So I'm not sure I could even point to the plants as being the issue, if you went full plants you might not get sick at all, I haven't been sick since I went vegan. Two years for me.. So.. Either way, you just need to eat more.. Which is good if you like food, then you get to eat more of what you like. :)
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By the way, the eat for your blood type diet has been pretty thoroughly debunked, I wouldn't use your blood type as a guide. All plants contain all amino acids, and the protein is higher quality in plants as well. You probably just need to eat a significant amount more than you were.
I only eat once a day, but it's a HUGE meal. I would ideally eat like.. 6 smaller meals through out the day, but.. This works for me right now with my finances. And fasting/calorie restriction are both generally healthy.
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yea - well I think it's the type-O negative blood thing. So I was listening to Passio #157 the other day and he was talking about Juicing as the necessary missing ingredient - as well as he had a caller who mentioned that you do get sick - and that's the detox process - which was good to hear but I can't afford to get sick so I will have to ease more slowly out of it. He was saying that that you get packed protein from Kale, Spinach juice, so I am now going to add that in - last night for example I just had juice for dinner - kale, spinach, carrot, cucumber, apple - so I am going to work on adding that in and reducing the meat. I do have lower stomach acid which comes from aging - so I think I might have a parasite in my gut that gets activated when I reduce the meat because the stomach acid gets reduced - I am just going to keep working on it. I am not going to give up and I am going to document it because I know there are others like me ... the Universe (God) talks to me and gives me the answers I need as I continue to take positive action toward the desired result - ie I was listening to that podcast... I am committed to listening to all the podcasts in order because there is info in there that I randomly hear that helps me with so many things - things that come from people calling in - as in this case... it's a long-distance runner project -which for me is not usually something I stick with but in this case I WILL.
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sorry it didnt work out for you.. It is really quite hard to eat a proper vegan diet.. and as you may have discovered it isnt for everyone..
This stomach virus is a strange one too.. its had to correlate vegan diet to this, but somehow it may be possible.. You may also not be suited to soya based fermentation products.. who knows! These things do distrupt the normal git flora and change it..
I would recoomend getting a very good probiotic as they really help to normalize the stomach bugs and bring better health.. Then you can keep trying to see what you can eat..
best of luck!
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