Who doesn´t want a bunch of whales upvoting their post and making $1,500 SBD in a day? We all do.
That´s a fact.
Insomnia and steem-stalking made me realize a lot of my followers and in general a lot of accounts on steemit follow, upvote and comment on whales posts in order to get visibility and try to make them follow them back, myself included, and I think there´s is nothing wrong in that. I mean, we all want those valuable upvotes that could decide if the post succeeds or fails.
The thing is, a good percentage of those accounts I stalked have a considerable amount of followers but themselves follow just a small group of important or big accounts.
I noticed that in order to make the Steemit community grow and keep it a healthy one, a lot of whales have stopped posting everyday and a lot of them rather curate good content and try to give visibility to certain posts, they also take time to reward smaller accounts that have good ideas or a hidden talent but most of all:
They care about the community as a whole and they are way past the I want to gain followers which will give me a lot of upvotes.
A lot of whales could just post everyday and make a lot of money just by liking their own posts and having all their followers like them but they don´t do it. They put the community growth before their own interests because they know that if the community grows in a healthy and steady way and small accounts become medium, eventually their own accounts will get bigger and more powerful.
I am not a mining nor a crypto currency expert but I´ve read in steem chat and in some blog entries of some of you that the percentage of accounts that sign up and then stop coming back is huge. In the last days the steem coin value went down a little and a lot of new accounts and temporary users left the community.
If we, as minnows and dolphins, spend more time curating good content and engaging with new or small accounts as the big whales do, we will be contributing in a more meaningful way to keep this community growing. If the community grows, we all grow with it.
My advice is: Engage, comment and upvote the little guy. Give your vote a meaningful purpose:
Make them come back, make them feel part of steemit, encourage them to keep posting, comment people´s posts in the introduceyourself tag.
Get involved.
They might follow you, they may not. Their vote won´t mean 5 SBD but as the community grows they will gain Steem power and the fact that you supported them when they were new will pay up in the future. But do not do it because of that, do it for the community, this is just something that will happen for a fact if you put the community before yourself.
If we all do this, before you realize it, the community will be ten times bigger and we will all get bigger rewards and get more quality content.
Let´s make Steemit the best version it can be.
1. The social game source
2. Whale curating small fishes source
2. Help each other source
3. We all grow source
4. Thank you source
The more people involved with the community as a whole, the better all of it will be, for everyone here. Nice post @anomadsoul!
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Thank you! it really kept me up at night, was awake from like 3 to 6 hehe
I truly think is this message sticks and at least changes the mind of some people (like it did to me) we are one step closer to make Steemit the community we all want it to be!
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Your welcome dude!. If we approach this place the way we want to be approached, everything will flourish from there. The positivity in so many of the discussions and posts here is incredible, and as the smaller accounts build up Steem, it will truly benefit everyone.
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You did a great job writing this.
p.s. you should remove the tag of introduceyourself since that would be considered spamming a popular tag that doesn't apply to this post ... don't want to see someone flag you.
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Thanks for the tip! Already did it. I thought it would be good so new users would read it but you are right, it does not apply to this post :)
Im glad you liked it, actually the curating work you are doing was part of the inspiration for the post :)
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Thanks, yes I saw your comment to ausbitbank mentioning me, and that's why I came over here.
I started out brand new with no steem like most of you, and I've stuck with it here through thick and thin, and now I've been delegated some big voting power. So I do want to give back to the community and encourage quality authors/creators that haven't been recognized that much yet.
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Oh nice! I didn´t know you could get notifications from mentions but great!
And that is crucial, to stay no matter what, to be in the platform through the shortages in order to see it flourish again. I guess it must have been pretty hard when steem got down to 0.04 huh? Im glad you stayed :) Read you around my friend.
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I looked at posting at low Steem value as an investment. I was still earning just as many Steem, even though the dollar value decreased a lot.
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follow me and upvote my posts , i will do the same
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Cool, following you.
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Read This and learn Steemit etiquette.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@thecryptofiend/the-steemit-etiquette-guide-illustrated-by-klye
You are going to get flagged by some people if you keep going around asking for votes this way.
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Well said. Ultimately, you are speaking to the maturation of this community, which requires time and conscious effort. You've given me the nudge to think through what content of value I might be able to bring to the community.
Thank you!
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Im glad I got you thinking! That same thought kept me awake yesterday.
It is exactly as you say, it is about the maturation of this community and we, as the early users have the responsability to make it grow in the best possible way we can.
A few days ago I put on the balance whether to make 4 or 5 posts daily about my travels to make a little more money or compile them in a well written story. It´s not going to be as profitable as 5 posts but at least every post I make I want it to be the best quality I can achieve. I mean, we are all running away from other social media because of all the garbage getting published every day right?
Have a good day @lances !
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Spot on!
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Thanks for this post. I am brand new to Steemit and am still trying to learn the ins and the out of the platform. What you are saying makes perfect sense to me. Sure, we all want to make big money. But at the same time, I am here purely to write and blog and comment as a hobby . . and the community is what binds steemit together.
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We are all here, partly for the money. I like to have a travel blog and if I can make some money in the meantime well, that´s great! If we see Steemit as a long term community we will grow stronger. Welcome to the platform @shawnfishbit I hope it is everything you expect and more!
I get what you are saying, i mean, literally all i had to do was stop using facebook and start using steemit so there´s not a big change of habit here hehe it is a nice hobby to have.
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I've noticed that there are a lot of "dolphin" and "orca" accounts giving "follow for follows" and "upvote for upvotes", basically helping each other to grow, providing close to equal support, both ways.
This is an intelligent way to both help oneself (cuz, let's face it, we mostly act out of self-interest) and to lift the heart of the community -- the lower and middle class.
I tend to seek out authors who post similar content to what I post, or plan to post in the future, to try to develop this type of "relationship", if you will. I feel this type of "internal circle of support" is really the backbone of a strong and sustainable community.
The "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" is a key mentality for the lower and middle class of Steemit, if we really want to build ourselves up without having to depend on whales to do it.
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Exactly! I mean, I think we all do this, myself included. I think It is something it develops through time and with the people i do it it is like an unspoken agreement as long as both accounts keep posting wuality content.
I like how you think. The thing is, if we engage in that same "realtionship" with other accounts no matter if they are similar in steem power or followers and we focus on the sole content maybe it will help some smaller accounts to become bigger. It might not sound like a "fair trade" if we do this with a really small account but also I think we (I include myself) should see the upvote as a tradeable coin in which where you upvote me I will to you.
And yes, I consider myself lower middle class hehe and that kind of thought trully is what makes us not so dependable of whales, let´s just share the love with the new and smaller accounts :)
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I agree that helping build up small accounts is an important thing to focus on as well (for the higher SP accounts), because it's the minnow accounts that make up the highest percentage of Steemit users, BY FAR.
It's important to keep them interested in using Steemit, because they make up the majority of people who will advertise for and on-board new users to the platform.
That's why I make a special effort to find quality content by new users and upvote it at 100% (even though I usually upvote people that I follow at 50% to extend my voting power to include more content). But I can't do it too much or I wouldn't have any voting power left to support the middleclass followers who support me.
So, there's a balance that we need to meet, if we both want to grow our own accounts and help to grow Steemit.
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I have to play devil's advocate a little here, I feel like there is some detriment to "follow for follow" style networking.
There are many examples of accounts, especially outside of steem, where "follow for follow" leads to thousands of followers, etc, but in a very spammy way. Soundcloud, a popular independent music streaming site, has a big problem with this.
I'd argue that it is better to curate and engage with great content WITHOUT asking for follows and upvotes in return. Be generous and give, give, give. In my personal experience, this has worked wonderfully and forces me to create great content to earn attention and income.
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I agree with you for the most part.
Just to be clear, I've never asked for a follow-back and have only announced that I've followed someone maybe four or five times out of the 120+ accounts that I follow. As @anomadsoul said in reply to my comment to him, what I'm implying is: "it is like an unspoken agreement as long as both accounts keep posting quality content."
I don't simply go around upvoting and following everyone that uses those keywords and then ask them to return the favor. Rather, I find the authors who produce quality content for those keywords and try to develop the type of relationship with them in which we can essentially build off of each other's contributions and/or compliment/ reinforce them with our own style/ input. In other words, the type of relationship which is mutually beneficial, in which both parties grow.
So, while I will comment, upvote and follow certain individuals with the agenda in mind to help my own following (account) grow (acting in self-interest), it's not without real intention to also help that person's account, and the community itself, to grow. I want the keyword to grow and everybody who focuses their blog on it.
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I agree for the most part. Whales have the most Steem Power but minnows give Steem value. What I mean by that is, minnows are the bulk of Steemit's population and we represent how widely accepted Steem is. If we stopped using Steem en masse (not what I'm suggesting), the site would suffer and even 1,000,000 SP probably wouldn't be worth anything. I don't think we should upvote people just because they're minnows but it really is important to seek out the best content from newcomers and reward it so they'll be encouraged to stay. It's good for everyone in the long run.
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I heartily agree with you. The lifeblood of a system like this is spreading your influence around and providing visibility and feedback to posts that you want to see more of. I know building an audience takes time. I've been blogging for 15 years on and off. But, many don't and everyone needs the positive encouragement to continue, improve and grow.
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This is my first time blogging seriously or being this interactive online. I feel the discouragement but I'm so convinced that Steemit will succeed that I'm willing to keep going. Not everyone is convinced yet and it's hard to spend hours writing quality posts with no certainty they'll be read. Even if we can't upvote them into the trending section, a well thought out comment can be encouraging.
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And don't forget more lucrative. My last comment made me more money than all of my posts yesterday... and that is disheartening. But, keep going, and participate. Steemit is a social network that rewards quality over quantity, unlike twitter which is truly just the old shout-style advertising model because the engagement is so low.
To succeed you need tens of thousands to drive traffic to a monetary decision point. Here, all you have to do is write something good and your following is incentivized to promote it. Too many people here don't see that difference yet... but it's because of habit.
But, it'll come the more we change our habits and thinking... the changes to the reward system that is upcoming in Hard Fork 19 will help a lot as well.
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Yes! This 10 ten times!
We all like Steemit because it gives us "a way out" or regular-shouting-meme-spamming social media. Quality here is well rewarded. Well, not everytime, and that is what this post is about, rewarding good quality without thinking of who wrote it but thinking about "this is a great post, ill upvote it".
We, as early users of this platform, have to draw the line where we want it. If we upvote spammy articles or quantity over quality then that is what we are going to get and in no time we will be like facebook (which I dont want) or Twitter, platforms that reward quantity over quality.
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I put some of my initial thoughts on this subject in a post a few days ago that you may like.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@goldgoatsnguns/what-i-love-best-about-steem
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I opened in another tab so I don´t forget, I for sure will read it today! Thanks
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Do you know when Hard fork 19 is going to happen? The last one caught me off guard.
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I don't. It was announced on the 23rd of May. No word that I've seen. The sooner the better for a minnow like me. :)
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Indeed :)
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i couldn´t have said it more accurately. It is not about upvoting minnows just for the sake of being minnows but to recognize hard work and quality where it is. It doesn´t matter if the content comes from a whale or a minnow, we should give credit where credit is due.
In the past I saw some very good posts getting 0.08 SBD and I have to accept I though "mmm I´ll upvote it but it is not worth writing a comment since i don´t care if this minnow follows me or not, let´s fish for the big whales". This thought I had it regularly on my first days of Steemit because let´s face it, when we start we are all out there fishing for Moby dick when in reality, we should be thinking bout carrying smaller fished on our back. There´s where the true community lies.
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I know how that feels. Knowing you can get more rewards from curating whale's posts can make it hard to consider minnows and I've seen some great posts get ignored (particularly art). I've even tried resteeming a few but I'm not powerful enough for that to make much of a difference. When I submit a minnow's post to curie and it gets accepted I feel good knowing they at least they got rewarded for that work but there should be a more consistent relationship between quality and rewards (for minnows, dolphins, orcas and whales alike).
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Totally true, that is why if we al get to the same train of thought of this post, quality will get rewarded sonner or later. I know, It needs more than just a few users to make a change, but If we manage to get more people involved in this idea then we are up to bigger things!
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What I'd like to do (but don't have the technical skills to accomplish yet) is create another curation guild like curie. Steemit is growing quickly enough that it wouldn't be a competitor, it would just be another group with a similar purpose. The more functional curation guilds we have the fewer high quality posts would slip through the cracks.
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There is a lot of curation guilds that do kind of what curie does. For example, in Spanish we have the curator @cervates and @spanish-trail they both dedicate fully to curate quality content in spanish. Maybe you could create your own country´s trail, where are you from?
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I'm Trinidadian but there aren't enough of us on Steemit for that to make sense yet. I've seen some of the other guilds but I'm less sure of how they operate. I'll do some more research and see where best i fit in or if I really should start a new one.
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I agree, helping out the new users is the best way to grow the community and therefore our own accounts. I know one of the best things that could have happened to me when I first posted was having several people welcome me to Steemit and then continue to read my second and third post. It made me want to stick around and be a part of the community.
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I know right? I got to a very good start, a lot of people liked my introduction post because two of my friends ( @luzcypher and @lizanomadsoul ) were already on Steemit and helped me introduce myself but not a lot of people get to have the opportunity I had.
It is a matter of taking care and welcoming those new users so they feel the way you felt and in no time they will keep coming back and welcoming more people and so on.
It is a great community to be part of, it really makes you feel like you belong, even if it is just behind a computer :D
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Completely agree :D and in the spirit of this post I'll give you a follow as well!
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Thank you my friend, already following you as well.
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So much agree. Great post, sure deserve my UP & re-steemed.
I know, just a 0.02 (most likely), but is this so important?
The important think is - to do that.
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Yesss. Exactly that. It doesn´t matter if your upvote means 5 SBD or 0.01 as long as we are curating good content, and it doesn´t matter if you are curating a whale´s content or a plancton or minnow content! Thanks for the upvote and resteem my friend, I hope this messsage gets to a lot of people and we start adopting this way of seeing and browsing Steemit.
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Thanks, this helps me understand better what steemit is about. I am new and still learning. Hoping to submit my first post soon. I can't figure out how to submit it under a subject, like Introduce Yourself...and how does that differ from Introduce Myself?
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Welcome to steemit! Make sure that when you post your introduction put the link answering this comment so I can see it.
First of all, try to take a picture of you holding a piece of paper with "Steemit and the date" written. In that post you can write about yourself, what you like to do, why are you on steemit etc.
For the tags, they are one of the most important part of the post because if you do it right, the post can get a lot of visibility but if you do it wrong you might even get the post flagged and it will be buried and no one will be able to see it.
On the home page you will see a lot of tags on the right part of the screen, those are the most used tags. I will recomend using the tag (all in smal letter, with no # ): introduceyourself
After that, if your blog is going to be about let´s say, cooking and staying healthy then you should use the tags food and health. People sometimes browses Steemit using the tags of their interest, that is how you will get the proper audience to read your posts! I you have any more questions shoot.
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Thank you for your response. If I am understanding you correctly the tags are what puts you in a category. The labels are tags. Ok, I thought you clicked the tags to post in that category so this clears that up. I am a slow starter but a nonstopper...lol. Perseverance is key in life, of course. So the reason that there is a introduceyourself and introducemyself is because someone tagged it that way. There is so much to learn. Thank you again. I really love steemit and the people here. What a great community!!! I am sure I will have more questions. Thanks.
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Thank you! I'm learning and discovering after just a couple of days on Steem. I didn't ask anyone for a follow and I already got 27 which is awesome.
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Wow! That is just amazing! Im glad you are getting a fast start on steemit! Yes, it is not nice when people ask for followers. Lets just care about making good content and upvoting the posts that have quality and the followers will eventually come by!
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True. You got a decent following yourself, and great travel posts!
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I completely agree with your point. For any community to be healthy the mighty have to take care of the weak until they grow and then that favour can be transferred making an unending chain :)
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Exactly! A chain is as strong as its weakest link! Well said my friend!
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It seems most users hesitate to upvote new steemers. I have been around for a week yet, but it didn`t take me long to understand how difficult it is o get attention. I try to write about same subject to encourage people. I hope it will help. Thank you for bringing it up once again. @anomadsoul
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Hey fellow nomad! I like your username! Were you born in 1988? Because I was.
It is hard. Very. I got to a fast start because my friend @luzcypher and @lizanomadsoul introduced me to the community and I got a good visibility on my first post but from then on I had to struggle like everyone else. We just ogtta keep posting and engaging and eventually it will come, that attention will come our way if we post quality content. Keep it up my friend!
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Amazing post Eric! This should be spread, as it is in everyone`s interest, but also because we can feel valuable to help each other :)
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Yess. Exactly, I mean, we could still only care about us and we might still grow, but if we look at it this way, it´s on all our best interest that new accounts stay and commit with the platform otherwise there will come the time when we are all alone here :( hehe
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Great idea Eric! I like how you try to influence the society to collaborate with each other :)
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Agreed!! I have been doing this already!! Good job paving the way!!
Following you!!
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Excellent post! creating a better way and better awareness, about been here at #Steemit, you gain a new follower, upvote and resteem with me, keep going like this!!
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Thanks man! Hey, a bilingual steemiter! Nice!
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Im trying to! hahaha, but im not completely bilingual xD
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Very succinctly put @anomadsoul
I have learned much during my 8 days here but the overriding message is ENGAGE SUPPORT AND MAKE GREAT CONTENT
If we build it they (steem, followers, upvotes) will come
Upvoted and resteemed for visibility 👍
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Great content is not actually rewarded.
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@digitalplayer has a point here. And that is exactly what my post is about. About changing this fact. About we all as a community upvoting quality content no matter where it comes from. If it comes from a whale great, but if it comes from a 14 followers user then give them the credit they deserve and upvote and maybe resteem it. Maybe it doesn´t have a big payout to support tiny accounts but if we all do it correctly, those tiny accounts with good content wont give up on the platform and will stay, thus giving the community a healthy growth.
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The proof here - https://steemit.com/steemit/@digitalplayer/4-98-of-steemit-search-engine-organic-traffic-and-unfair-rewards-series-1
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I beg to disagree. I upvote good content. My vote may not mean much by way of value but each great blogger I follow and see who they are following. I make connections, I comment and I get new followers from those. These then turn into upvotes. I reciprocate when I feel they post good content and that way we all grow.
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Read my article - you will see what data and not me says
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I have read it
All I know is in my first week here I have earned more than I ever have off Facebook and Twitter, which I have had for years.
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Sure - but I can tell you the earnings you have on steemit are because of bitcoin and steemit is powered by steemit coin but the ecosystem is far from being fair - it's us that have to see how things really are and come with solutions or suggestion to steemit boss and community
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I see your point. This is the basis for @anomadsoul 's post
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The basis of anomadsoul is that things are already fair and good - the reality - unfortunately is not how our dear author depicts it. Eco system is not rewarding good content but only few friends - the cousin of the cousin - brothers and sisters etc. The data is clear - steemit rewarding system doesn't pay the articles that bring most of the new genuine traffic
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https://steemit.com/steemit/@digitalplayer/4-98-of-steemit-search-engine-organic-traffic-and-unfair-rewards-series-1
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And that is exactly the way to do it. If the content is good, upvote and resteem, if it is not, don´t. But we should not let the status of the user influence your decision about upvoting or not a post.
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That is the message. No matter where it comes from, upvote and resteem good content. Smaller accounts have a lot to add to this platform and it is our responsibility to reward them and to make them come back and feel part of the community.
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Great stuff. Upped and followed, and advice taken.
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very good post , like it sow much sow with this you can follow me all also :D
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The community is far from being fair and focused on people growth and work / knowledge reward
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I get your point, I answered on another comment you answered, but yeah, I think you have a point here.
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Good - nice to find a brother over there. Keep going and good luck with your projects
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For those who love the community - please go there https://steemit.com/steemit/@digitalplayer/4-98-of-steemit-search-engine-organic-traffic-and-unfair-rewards-series-1
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🍒 I'm still a redfish so I could really use upvotes o_o, anyway I will continue to work my way up, even if it takes me a while. Now I do think it's good that whales and dolphins help the little guys out, because if we grow, Steemit grows :D, we proved it by giving Ethereum Clasic a hell of a fight on the polls, that was thanks to community engagement on Steemit, no other cryptocurrency has a community like this one, we're all are going up together!
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This is the perfect advice for everyone on the Steemit network. Thanks
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Thanks! Yeah, it all goes the same for all the accounts no matter the size of them! Im glad you liked it my friend.
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A lot of people might interpret this behavior as selfish, but what they don't understand is that this system is designed for that ( to an extent). Of course no one wants to see the system exploited in ways it wasn't intended to be, but people forget the reason things like Bitcoin became a success is because it essentially monetized greed and turned it into a feedback loop that would grow itself. Steem can do that too.
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This post started when I was speaking with a hostel friend about the instinct of survival as an individual vs the instinct of procreation as a species so I totally get your point. Im very happy that you agree with the post. I didn´t know that about bitcoin, I guess I should look into that more because I am so clueless about bryptocurrencies...
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Check out Satoshi's whitepaper for Bitcoin. He was not as explicit as I was, but if I remember right he did specifically intend for it to work this way. Everyone working within the protocol mutually benefiting everyone else thru profit motive. It was partially a response to the financial crash that happened just before release.
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you are absolutely right ... when the small Accounts are growing then grow the complete community from Steem and i think we are on the good way. Thanks for sharing ;)
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Yesss. Small accounts help push big accounts higher, it is on those bigger accounts to give a helping hand but we also as small accounts should hekp each other!
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totally agree! i go around twice a week to all the introducemyself posts, upvote and encourage them!
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I haven´t had a lot of time because I´ve been on the road the past days but YES, I used to do that a lot! It doesn´t have to be a 10 line comment but come on, a "welcome to Steemit" add no quality to someone´s posts... I try to read the whole post and comment on the persons hobbies or whatever they are writing about. I don´t follow everyone but if I think we have something in common and I would like to be informed of what this user blogs in the future, for sure he/she has my follow! It doesn´t matter if one like from that account is wort 0.0001
I like how you think, not a lot of people takes the time to go through the introduceyourself tag.
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yeah yeah of course you comment more than just welcome, but i think even people that do that - are helping already and making them feel welcome. I saw some people who have similar hobbies, and of course i love all the food bloggers :)
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That is true hehehe. Oh I love food bloggers but they always make me so hungry and I just started a regime of only healthy food :( :( by the way you are one of those devils that make me break the regime!! haha just followed you, gotta keep my dose of watching yumm
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hahha you can just watch :P and not eat anything ! im on healthy eating too and imagien how hard it is for me! hahah xx
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This is also my goal for steemit to grow and go further!
As of now, I am encouraging newcomers to vote for witnesses. :)
Together, let's make steemit a community for all!
Happy steeming!
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I mean, a lot of people are not pleased with the reward system. Instead of making posts about how unfair the system is, let´s try to change the tides! A lot of people talk about taking power from the whales, I don´t think this is the right call. Whales are healthy for the community, what we should do as smaller fishes is focus on this kind of behaviour I humbly try to explain in my post.
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Getting new users onboard has been something I've been actively trying to do for the past bit, even before my account was approved, but I have heard from people new to this whole thing that it can be a bit disheartening to see some accounts consistently get "all the upboats" while they get nothing.
A lot has been written about social media strategies and the likes, and "how to gain a following" and such, but one rule still kinda stands out - if you are "low volume" posting of content it took a good bit to create, you will probably not attract a following as readily as people posting high volume content, due to how the "new" page works.
Still, I like to encourage people to just keep at it, keep up the interacting and sharing of stuff, and they will have growth and success :)
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I don´t know if this is still on but, a few days ago I started to translate the FAQ to my native language and got to a part where it said that you get full rewards of your first 4 posts in any given 24 hours. If you post more than 4 entries in less than 24 hours then you will get less percentage of the total reward. I think this was created to avoid people spamming and to avoid the gap you are talking about, so people will choose posting quality over quantity. Again, Im not sure that policy is still working but I trully get your point. I guess we, as early users of the platform have to curate good content and ignore spam content, that is the only way we can stop from happening what you are talking about...
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Thank you for discussing this. A whale or two upvoted me when I first arrived. Boy was that great. Now I'm having to work a lot harder to improve my content and presentation appearance. What I post will not be of interest to a lot of people, (crowd pleasing) but it is where my own heart is and my writing skills and researching is really getting refined. The rewards are tricking in and are steady. I'm grateful. I'm resteeming this.
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I totally get what you are saying. By pure luck @Ned resteemed my introduction post and I made a lot of rewards! I thought to myself "wow, if every post earns like this I could early retire!!". It laso helped that two of my friends, @Luzcypher and @Lizanomadsoul helped me me in my introduction.
But it doesn´t work like that, like you, my second and third post got the real rewards every minnow like us gets when starting and yes, I had to read a lot about post composition, writing tips, A LOT of Steemit policies like plagiarize and giving credit or "how to center or bold content" etc.
I think you are doing the correct thing, we should all stick to the content we like and know about, eventually more people will come (and if we greet them correctly and engage with them making them wanting to stay) then every subject will have their own sub-community and every topic will have the rewards we all want :D
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I'm with you. following... sub groups... like minded... it'll happen. As long as there isn't some technical disaster... Steem is so perfectly microcosm.... It's alive...
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A thriving community help everyone. I value comments even if that person's vote is worth nothing. Not everyone can earn a lot, but a few cents from comments will add up.
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If you look at it this way, it is kind of a long term investment. Of course I love seeing 30 votes and $10 SBD in one post, it means a lot of powerful people liked it but, let´s say one of your posts has 300 upvotes and 3 SBD. That means a LOT of people liked your content and that means a majority of low account power likes.
Maybe every vote is not worth much right now but in a few months those same votes will be worth a ton, that is if we keep contributing to the community growth as a whole and that every wuality account grows with it.
But we have to see our involvement in Steemit in the long term, otherwise this whole idea will fail.
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Good post, great response too 50 comments. Wow. Nice. But yes I completely agree with you. I'm trying to do good welcoming new people. I comment in probably too many posts. Often my comment verges on the length of the post haha. I was guilty of the follow for a follow. Since I'm so new here I don't think it's a bad thing though. Some of the people I followed will stay and make quality posts! Most of the people I followed back for following me won't upvote my post or take time to respond to anything I say. That's the downside of follow for follows. Gaining followers organically is surely the best way to go. And speaking of that. You can add +1 follower. Hope to have more good conversations in the future yo, good luck steeming! Have you voted yet? I made a post yesterday about why new people should take the time to go vote..
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i have to admit sometimes when I follow someone I let them know. Partly because I want followers (which is very low from me but I declare myself guilty) and partly because I am really interested that this user inparticular follows me because I know he/she will like what I have to offer.
Comment wise, I take like 2 hours every 2-3 days to answer every comment in a meaningful way so I get what you are saying about lenghty comments hehehe. I didn´t know this post was going to get this response! I asked a few friends over steem chat to check it out and I shamelessly did a little bit of promotion just to make it visible to other people because I really really want this message to be passed on.
Thanks for the follow! I liked Foundation for the fiftywordcontest, did you know I won the 10th edition? (Yes, bragging here hehehehehe). I like people who post their own stories and photography, followed you back because of that.
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This is a really good post. Well done. I don't think too much about whales, orcas, dolphins, minnows, or pond scum for that matter. I just upvote, read, resteem, or follow things I like and find interesting. When I follow someone I don't care if they follow me back.
If we all just keep writing good content and engaging in good discussions we will all benefit as Steemit gets more users. To me that is the real value of Steemit, good content and real people with interesting ideas. Great post. Keep it up.
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Yes!! You were actually one of the persons that inspired this post. You really don´t care about the "social status" of the user. You just upvote what you like and ignore what you don´t. As simple as that.
You are one of the people that trully cares about building a healthy community like with #open-mic
I hope those beers are not getting warm without me pal! Best wishes from Belize
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No shortage of cold beer here my friend. Let's see some more Belize posts!
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i could use some of that upvote 😉
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Oh my friend, I didn´t expected to get that much. I mean, I wanted it to go viral so more people could hear about this idea and jump in the train but wow, by far this is my grossest post ever.
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This is a great post! I have also been thinking about this.. it's important that we put the community first. If it succeeds, we all succeed!
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I mean, it goes against our instinct to seek community survival instead of owr own (Raw example, I know) but in order to achieve healthy and organic community grow this is one of the best ways to do it!
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Good and thoughtful post, thanks! I'd like to see the curation awards algorithm available for all to review. Not so that we can game the system, but so that we can have the fairest and most equitable distribution of rewards possible. It's important, that way the minnows can grow up to be dolphins. Keep up the good work.
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Well I translated part of the FAQ to my native language but Im not sure that algorithm is still in use but here it goes, I am paraphrasing because I dont remember exactly:
The first 30 minutes are crucial for curating. If you upvote a post in that 30 minute window then your curation rewards won´t be as big as if you upvote it after those 30 minutes. If the post goes viral and you gave the upvote after the 30 minute window then a big % of the curatino reward will go to you.
If the post goes viral but you upvoted it 1 minute after it got posted then you wont get rewards. If the post is already viral when you upvote it, you wont get any curation rewards.
Thanks, Im glad you liked the post!
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Supporting new users is important and feels good. Great message in this post @anomadsoul, we've got to work together to build the community.
One trick that some Steemians might find useful is: When I comment on a big whale post now, I try to join in on a comment thread. Rather than commenting on the post itself, I might respond to the top comment. I'm not sure if this is effective, but it feels like a better way to join the conversation.
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It is kind of smart to do that, never thought of it. Maybe you starting a topic means that you have to have a very interesting idea but jumping into another discussion give you the chance to just express your point of view. Not what people expect you to say but you own opinion, and if that gets the attention of the whale, perfect, if it is not, you stood true to your ideas and got a good discussion in the meantime :D
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Anytime there is value added to a post or discussion it is worth it. Whether you start a new comment or reply to an existing thread, i feel both are relevant, one not being better or worse than the other.
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Thanks for the post. If the community grows as expected, we will see more and more new users.
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Welcome to Steem @anomadsoul
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What a welcoming post!
I just joined yesterday. I didn't know what to expect, except that we could make some money here. But I'm surprised that such an amazing and helpful community exists behind the huge SteamIt doors. Glad I'm here. Will try to add value to this community.
Thank you, anomadsoul!
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Hey hey! Welcome buddy! There is a lot of posts like this that you can read, just search the tag steemit and probably there will be some there :D
Yes, as every community there is an up and a downside but i like to think that the ups are more than the downs and if we adopt this mentality we can help to put more weight on the ups :D
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Great post, I hope people will take your advice and comments to heart!
Minnows unite!
If you like this GIF please help a minnow out and upvote here
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I liked the gif :D, did you make it and can I use it?
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Thanks @mariacherries! Yes I made it and you're welcome to use it. I would appreciate it if you would upvote the original post for it too if you're gonna use it, thanks. You can upvote it here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@liberty-minded/new-steemit-gif-free-to-use
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nice....your post deserve upvote and resteem....
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Very good post @anomadsoul. For me its about spreading the information and sharing your ideas and thoughts first then is the money. I always follow back who follow me, upvote personally all the posts of my followers (upto 4 posts per day). I don't care how much will I earn by upvoting, for me important is interaction as much as I can and appreciate the quality work independent of the creator.
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If we blog about what we like and know about then for sure the quality of the content is going to be at least somewhat good. It is how you say, if we do what we like then the upvotes will come sooner or later (let´s hope sooner). You know I follow since a long time ago and I like what you post. The thing is appreciating the content instead of appreciating the author :D
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I agree 100% with you @anomadsoul and I appreciate your support dear :)
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I discover your post today thanks to @roxane, I'm steemien that since a me and your article comforts me a little, even if it's been eight months since you posted and the situation does not change much ...
to pleasure, Kenavo.
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this is what everyone should understand, not just following whales but also minnows :) that way new users will also feel it comfortable and get encouraged :)
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Exactly, if we all ho pinto that train of thought Steemit will be as we want it to be.
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Thanks for sharing.
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Im happy you liked it!
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Well put. Like everyone here, trying to get increase my own power, a few cents a day means that those only here for the money will most likely leave before they get too big.
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Exactly. And we don´t want those people. People only caring about money is harmful for the community can leave. I mean we are here to build the community, If you get money with it is great.
I thinked like that when I got here but now I feel Steemit is part of my life and i dont want it to end. That is why I made this post.
I think about it as grocery money while having somewhere to post that is not the meme-full facebook.
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Thank you for this post. I have had the miraculous opportunity of getting helpful votes by awesome dolphin, orcas and whales. Who really not only made my week literally but encouraged me to Steem on and believe in this community.
I love the analogy presented in the Whale Shark aquarium picture. See the fishes swimming under it's fin? The whale shark gained nothing from it but the fishes can survive because of that.
As you said, lets make Steemit the best version it can be.
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Yes!! So now imagine if we all small fishes do the same the whales do for you, but we do it for the minnows!
Im glad you liked the post man, I started following you.
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Excellent post @anomadsoul <3 :) resteemed with love & gratitude...
Happy Steeming!
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It is all about the people who are willing to join us in the future. If they stay at Fakebook or Twitter, Steemit will not grow any further. If all the big boys just upvote and comment on each other, the 'small' guys will leave the community eventually. I already see it happen with a few of my followers who were very active a few weeks ago, but appear to have given up on Steemit.
If enough people do this, than there will be nothing left for the big boys to share and the candle will die out. So it is in their interest to change their approach.
Yesterday I read a post that made $800. Some guy in the comment was a bit upset, because he wrote a similar post that made him just a few cents. He got a few downvotes for that comment by some big boys. That kind of behaviour will 'kill' this community in the end.
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Here, is a big problem. I only have two months here and i see how a closed circle of dolphins and whales, only upvotes each others even post of so low quality without see the new accounts, even so with great articles. That is depressing, when you take more the 2 hours to make a post and only reward 1$ and later you see a post with only a photo and If not even be own of the publisher 50$... It is so unfair.
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I know that feel. I was there once, the moment I stopped thinking about that was when i saw that true hard work ends up paying up. I got to a jump start because my friend @luzcypher and@lizanomadsoul helped me introduce myself but I´ve seen accounts that take months to take off.
I get your point. I´ve been following for a while and have seen and upvoted your content and get your feeling. It will come, I´m sure.
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Thats a great point.
But a minnow might not upvote another minnow for this happens:
a) His curation rewards remain low.
b) His Steem power rises slowly.
Shouldn't a minnow focus more on posting?
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Yes! It is all about posting, what I´m saying is we should post quality content but also try to care about other small acounts. They might be a 0.0001 vote but hey, we are not here for the money but for the community, the money will eventually come.
Think about it as grocery or gas money and eventually it will be rent money. I saw a spanish speaking girl that bought her first van with steemit money! And her account isn´t very big, she just keeps posting quality content.
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Ok let me explain in brief.
When no whale cares for a minnow, how and why do you expect a minnow care for a minnow especially when his vote is worthless. Like I would like to help a minnow but me upvoting a minnow is $0.01 cents. That neither helps me nor the minnow. Isn't that a complete waste of time and energy?
I'd rather use the time of failed curation attempt to upvote the deserving post in the hot section that should be trending but is not. Or I could just help and upvote a friends post.
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It is a well though train of thought that one. And is especially what this post is trying to change. Even though it makes no difference, we as minnows should help each other out.
The trending section is about upvotes not money so even if the post has 10 SBD but 300 upvotes then it will get visibility.
If we spend 1 hour writing maybe spending ten more minutes curating some posts is not going to harm us but could help someone to say "hey, Im getting more attention, I won´t wuit just yet"...
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Thanks for this. You have no idea how this has encouraged me. I am happy there is someone this insightful and caring. Much love.
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A lot of people i´ve talked with know this but so few openly post about it. Im glad it gave you some courage about keeping steeming. If you focus on having good content and quality engagement with other accounts it will eventually come, that is, the growth of you account.
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Great Post and so true! Resteemed!
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Thanks for the resteem my friend! And thanks for following my posting! Im glad you liked the idea, we should all hop into this traing of thought right!?
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That's what I think, my friend! This planet should have more people thinking like you! Steem on! 👍🏻
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I think if you concentrate on your posts and bring good content you don´t have to "stalk" anybody... people will share and upvote because they like it... I wouldn´t put attention to somebody stalking me in order to get an upvote from me... but you are right. some beople just want to get famous here or make money...but obviously it is a great thing to do helping new users getting known if you think they will be a great part of the community.
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We´ve all been there at some point in our steemit life, trying to catch whales. Eventually you get to the point where you focus on having good content and the followers and upvotes will come.
I think what you are doing about posting in different languages is also great for the community-building because it intertwines users that speak different languages and makes a common ground for all. Congrats!
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Now that was an excellent post, you are absolutely right my friend! So glad this got the attention it deserved :)
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Very thoughtful and informative. I am here for a long term so would love follow some of the tips to make the community grow for mutual benefit. Following u now. If you wish you can checkout my blog too. Cheers!!!!!!!!
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Hey man! I think you should check out @luzcypher posts! He deals a lot with music and has a challenge going on for musicians. I follow you too.
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I am only getting pennies for my votes and I see people writing up minor articles relating to steem with little info getting hundreds of votes..i understand why people are leaving.. If not for the one time a whale up voted me here and made me 50 dollars I'd pro ably quit too.. This is playing to much into the account of whales here I think.. The average Fb users would get the point joining if they only make pennies.
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You just got a new follower man! I like the fact you travel and are an artist, killer combo my friend. You have my 0.02 cents worth of vote at least :D Hang in there buddy, we all felt like you at some point.
My advice is, don´t look at this as some way to make money, look at it like you look at facebook but with cigarette or grocery money included. After a while, it will be rent money (I´ve seen small accounts buy a car or pay rent with steem dollars!).
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Cheers...
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Completely agree with the approach. This is how most sites should be run, community driven. Steem is one of the first to realize that the platform will be a lot better if everyone grows a large audience instead of just having a few people with an enormous audience.
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I know right? Some people think this type of posts are to get likes but the truth is, we all know this but i´ve seen so few people openly speaking about it.
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I'm hoping that the upcoming Community system (whatever that might be) will help. The New page zooms by so fast, how's a noob to get noticed?
A somewhat off-topic observation: whales and minnows seem to get 90% of the attention in Steemit-related posts. Dolphins, a little bit. Orcas, one step down from whales, almost none. Weird.
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I know! There are rush hours where your post gets down to oblivion after 10 minutes because there are so may people posting at once. I guess it just takes time to know when to post, even though it is pretty hard to guess when it will be a good time and the posting behavious keeps changing! I noticed the weekends are a little slow but i still post on saturday and sunday.
I would have to navigate the Steemit related posts because this was my first post using that tag but i guess you are right.
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Great post @anomadsoul. I find myself often scouring the introducemyself and introduceyourself tags and doing just that and welcoming newbies to Steem. I think it helps with getting new followers and also gives people that super warm welcome.
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And that is what we should do as small fishes, try to get involved with minnows and it also, as you said, helps to feel them welcome!
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I totally agree... lets go!!
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Let´s do this!
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Thanks for the insights !
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Im glad you liked the post my friend!
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What a wonderful and motivational post! I really hope Steemit will grow and I hope this for all of us. I think this is a wonderful community :)
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Im glad you liked it. I love your art tutorials and followed you because of that! If you like challenges and like to write you should join the fiftyword challenge!
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Thanks so much, I'll check it out!
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Excellent post, becoming involved is the golden key @anomadsoul.
" If the community grows, we all grow with it". Exactly my perspective.
At this point in my journey, I have only posted a handful of pieces containing my own original content.
However, I've curated, commented and resteemed posts; deemed to have quality content, thus worthy to be considered for attention.
In my mind, building community comes first , the rewards will naturally flow given time.
As a young kid, Johnny Duff, master jazz guitarist and one of my mentors back in the early 1960's, taught me a valuable lesson. A philosophy I've steadfastly followed since before my professional career in music 'officially' began.
I wished to go 'showboat' on stage and he realigned my attitude with:
"Play your bass in a way that makes the other band members sound their best.
Then you will sound your best"!
My focused philosophy on steemit and in life :-)
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Important points dude. And I think this is important to keep preaching, especially to those who only comment on introduceyourself posts. We need to be supporting the little guys on more than just their introduction posts, that's how we get that huge drop off after a short period of time on the platform. Thanks for sharing this, followed!
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You are right. It is not only that "first push" but a lot of small pushes to get them sailing on their own. Whether it is by answering doubts, orientating or just encouraging them. That is the only way we can try to assure they won´t leave the platform after three 0.06 posts.
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Absolutely!
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Very nice post, I'm learning a lot about Steemit. what a great community :)
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Great advice for me!
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I've only been here two weeks and I'm sticking it out. It's a great platform with some great people. Hope to make it up there sometime.
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Takes time and patience but eventually we willl all get there, don´t get disencouraged if some posts are underrated, it happens to all of us at some point.
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Little guy here. Have received nothing but love from here.
So much love I just can't keep up with it. Lol. :)
Great post. Upvoted!
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Amazing, you have a point in this. If the community grows, all grows
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I honestly didn't read the whole post. But I still have to say something about the subject as I do in fact own a small account. If I upvote a whale I get 0.001 Steem. If I upvote a small account I can get 0.000 up to 0.001.
With the way Steemit currently works there is no incentive whatsoever to upvote small accounts. I truly hope this will change with the next fork. But for now Steemit just doesn't work for small accounts, and it's a shame...
And then there is the matter of quality. Since the way Steemit works right now there is no incentive to work on quality content, unless you already have a following potentially coming from other platforms such as Youtube.
Why would we need to make posts every day? I think posts should be made when you have something to say, not just because you make a ton of money with a shit post. The money should be distributed a bit more evenly. I'm not saying I want tho make as much money as the big guys do, but I am 100% sure that some people get WAY too much money and some of them even use it for marketing purposes. I mean come on... Showing posts like "Hey I made 1k dollars with a single post, you should join Steemit too". This is ridicolous and misleading.
That being said, I hope the Steemit devs fix these problems soon. I am aware that changes are coming, so I'll refrain from any further critical commenting for now.
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Thanks for your wise words, Eric! I couldn't agree more. Sometimes it seems that we are swimming in different pools here... but actually there is just one.
Resteemed. I hope a lot of "big fishes" are going to read this...:-)
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How did I miss this comment? Oh I should be hanged for this jejejeje
Kisses surfer.
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Haha no you don't 😄😘
Big kiss from the Big Apple
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I'm trying. I try hard
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It will eventually pay off my friend, keep hanging on. The moment you less expect it you will start to see real rewards.
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This is GREAT! Being a newbee. It's great to enter with this mindset. Thank you for this perspective!
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Im really glad you liked the idea! The thing is, if more people like us hop into that train of thought eventually we will all grow together! Welcome to Steemit @laurentele! Im happy you replied to this article, you got yourself a new follower!
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Wow!....what a great outreach. Something keep bothering me though, its hard to upvote someone who just says "Yay i ate Sushi today", i did it once but i see an everyday i ate this and that, so is that considered snubbing?
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I know! I never thought it will get this kind of attention! :O
Of course it is hard! And that is what we shouldn´t be doing. just upvoting for the sake of upvoting but to really curate good content. The cnotent we ant to see on Steemit, the content we ant this social media to be full of. If we curate wuality posts from plancton or from whales it doesn´t matter as long as it is good content!
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Very true....Have been having such conviction in me , i see some very educative and intresting vote but people just neglect them.
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I have the same idea as well after surfing around on steemit, and I'm pretty sure many people also noticed the issue. Well said. ;)
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I think a lot of us have this same idea or very simila idea but we don´t openly speack about it because it is a touchy subject! Im glad you liked the article my friend!
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Yep.
"If we, as minnows and dolphins, spend more time curating good content and engaging with new or small accounts as the big whales do, we will be contributing in a more meaningful way to keep this community growing"
It's happening I'm sure.
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Exactly! If we all act like whales by curating good content no matter the user it comes from then Im sure this community will grow the way we want it to do it. Im glad you liked my post my friend :D
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good post. love it
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I do not think this is important. I think anyone who creates good content deserves a plus
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If you read again you´ll see the point you make is actually something I thoutoughly cover, it does not matter if it is a big or small account, what matters is the quality of the content. The problem is that some people do not upvote good content based on the size of the account, if it is a small account they don´t spend their vote on the post.
Great day my friend and thanks for the feedback!
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I think many people forget here that while the financial earnings is a real great incentive, the real reward is the social interaction and community vibes. :D
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Exactly! It is like facebook but with grocery money included, sort of speaking. For most of us it is not a job and we cannot live off of this. But it is always very fullfiling if you make a post you really put effort and sweat into it and gets a few bucks apart from the amazing interaction right?
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Wish I could ma make enough to buy groceries! Hahah ;)
But yes, that's exactly it! :)
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you sound as MLM group lead
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I dont know if I should take this as a compliment or an insult but either way thank you XD XD
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oh, I was kidding! I'm sorry!
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Yes yes! I got it, I kind of wanted to continue the joke hehe
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sorry, English is not my native language and sometimes I just do that sort of stupid mistakes
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No no, not stupid, normal mistakes that happen to everyone :) Thank you for commenting my post, you have some good content, Im glad I found you
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you're welcome!
and I'm glad to follow you.
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I tend to like the content of the new smaller producers better anyways. They often reply to my comments and questions. There is little interaction with the whales.
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It appears small accounts take more time and effort to post. So let´s help them and encourage them by voting and following them!
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