What is Steemit reputation and how does it work?

oflyhigh (79) · 7 years ago

Very helpful information.
But the lower reputation is not -8
I don't know the lowest one, but wang's is -16 ;)

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Yep, this limit was when reputation was introduced. Post udated!

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masterroshi (57) · 6 years ago

reputation has nothing to do with how much a downvote bot can effect your account. it is their SP that dictates that. they could have 0 reputation but 200k SP and kill your account

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justmeagain (49) · 6 years ago

@masterroshi @arcange Can either of you explain where the authoring and curation rewards go after a down-vote bot zeros out the total? Let's assume $2.00 in votes from 10 up-voters before the bot down-votes, zeroing out the Pending Payout reward value.

Also, is the SP used in the process of voting returned to voters, after a down-vote bot hits the post?

Do you know what motivates anyone to run down-vote bots? Is there a payout to them? Do they collect what would have gone to authors and curators?

Are either of you developers for the Steemit platform or know who the developers are?

Your insight and advice would be great. Thanks.

As an FYI, the following is memo text from a transfer.

Hi *************, i am a collective run account fighting spam in spanish and trying to keep the blockchain clean. We are constantly looking for support and wanted to ask if it was possible to reach an agreement. At the moment we both upvote quality posts and downvote spam because of the limited resources at hand, might sound counter intuitive but we want to secure the support of the community and show we are about a clean chain, but if the delegation requieres no upvotes we have no problem and will stick to it. We have a reverse fanbase bot ready to go but at the moment we are working manually both curating and downvoting and leaving personnal comments. thanks for your time and atention. best regards ****************

Why would the recipient of the transfer and memo want down-voting exclusively? And why is the memo author using up-voting as a tool to convince the community that their actions are all about a clean chain?

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masterroshi (57) · 6 years ago

i believe if there is a downvote then the rewards pool will simply send out less rewaeds.

SP is indeed NOT returned to the voters it is in essence lost. which creates a disincentive for that voter to vote on that type of post again.

As far as incentives for downote bots, the is only vengence and it is actually a waste of time. they are simply trying to create influence and be able to censor content they dont like or approve of.

If you want to get more info on the people developing the blockchain, check out the steemit github and reach out to the folks making some of the commits.

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justmeagain (49) · 6 years ago

I did drop by GitHub, but didn't spend much time there. Started reading the code...I'd have to dedicate time to that and don't have it to spare. Thanks though, I will look for names of those making commits.

Well, evidence speaks to the contrary regarding the profitability of running down-vote bots. I've seen monthly bittrex transactions as high as $10k. You can look at their account page wallets and see next to nothing for the week, for example: curation(61.064 SP) /authoring rewards (zero) and still see curation of 605.46 SP, authoring of 14.49 SP and steem of 14.48 in SteemWorld. You can trace the source there too.

I'll throw a thought out for you to contemplate: WHO benefits by having rewards returned to the Global Reward Pool and HOW do THEY profit from delegating to exclusive down-voting bots?

Heading over to Minds.com. Look me up if yo have an account there.

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samuel-jnr (25) · 6 years ago

Wow the post is very usefull and it is of help to me because am new here . please my boss with higer repitations should kindly upvote my coment and follow me please just help me i really need help around here .thanks.

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oneshot (55) · 7 years ago

The higher is 80 and the lowest is -20.

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jure (27) · 7 years ago

so my 25 is not that bad :)))

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pjau (63) · 7 years ago

lol, 25 is default, not good or bad, you're in limbo man! :p

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jure (27) · 7 years ago

Thank you for bringing me down to earth!! :(

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pjau (63) · 7 years ago

Haha, you'll be 26, 30, 40 before you know it ;)

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awesomegames007 (67) · 7 years ago

I jumped from 25 to 27 somehow.

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pjau (63) · 7 years ago

That's what happens when people like your comments and posts. The higher the rep of the person the more it will change.

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awesomegames007 (67) · 7 years ago

This happened like half an hour ago btw

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thegame68 (49) · 7 years ago

Yes really informative because even moat of the old people don't know how it works?

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jznsamuel (71) · 7 years ago

That was the most important thing I read on steemit today. Never knew there was so much going on behind the scenes for reputation, thanks for sharing was very useful.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks for your positive feedback!

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ayowrite (25) · 6 years ago

great

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btcmillionaire (60) · 7 years ago

Thanks I literally had no idea how reputation worked until I read this.

How does someone flag a post? Why would they do that?

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corason (36) · 7 years ago

well. maybe if it's stuff like gore, illegal activities(like porn you really don't want to see).
or a complete garbage post.

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etcmike (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for putting together this informative post on the complex subject of reputation. I am sure it will help the newer members to the community to understand their reputation score better.

100% upvote and re-steem

Have a fantastic weekend!
Steem on,
Mike

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks you. A good week-end to you!

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heimindanger (68) · 7 years ago

Great post! How did you find out about the minimum being -8 ? I thought it was possible to go as low as we want

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demotruk (69) · 7 years ago

I don't think that's correct either. I believe -8 was the lowest score a user had when reputation was initially created, but the front end representation has changed since then.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

You're right. I'm such an old-timer =)
Post updated!

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kate-m (52) · 7 years ago

That just mildly boggled my brain!

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unclehermit (54) · 7 years ago

great overview.Makes it a lot clearer. Thank you. It took me ages to get from 51 to 51.7 though so goodness knows how long it will take to get to 53. 60+ seems pie in the sky at the moment!

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mrfringe (63) · 6 years ago

Thank you, there is a lot to learn about this steemit business. I was reading up on it when I first signed up and it seemed simple enough, but it took 2 weeks to get my account active and I forgot about it. Now I'm on here and I'm looking around I can see it is quite complicated. I look forward to figuring it all out and these type of posts help a lot. Thanks again.

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mariacherries (54) · 7 years ago

🍒 I still think that there's a big flaw with that system, because if somebody with high reputation and/or high Steem Power, does not like you or you make a mistake or whatever, they can flag you and then your....

But, well no system is perfect, right?

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joeyarnoldvn (61) · 7 years ago

Make friends with people with higher reputations, be yourself as that attracts people like you, brand yourself, and you may continue to grow that way. Love the South Park meme. Love it. I'm Oatmeal.

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ercpok (50) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing the useful information such that I can know more about the reputation and I think it is a good system since it could reflect the user's good or bad behavior and less users will having bad behavior such as plagiarism because of the decrease in reputation.

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kabir88 (60) · 7 years ago

Very informative post, it's a shame you don't get rewarded for it after 7 days. Is this going to be changed?

Thanks for taking time to share your research with the steemit community

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justoneopinion (40) · 7 years ago

Still need help here. So only people who have been previously rewarded can reward with reputation? So how can there be any change in popular opinion in the community arguing against the post? Wont the most powerful people punish people for their dissenting opinion? and wont people with low reputations just abandon the system? or just turn into dead fish? Guess I need to read more.

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senseier2 (38) · 7 years ago

This post is extremely helpful, I have been working hard to become a helpful part of the community by sharing thoughts and ideas...but for some reason I see my reputation drops between visits. It was 27, then 25, 27 again, and today 22. I feel like I might have been missing something. I appreciate the time you spent in sharing.

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dejavu (48) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks, very infomative and helpful

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magick323 (54) · 7 years ago

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cherie (50) · 7 years ago

AHAHAHAHAH

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cherie (50) · 7 years ago

what a sweet post ! thank you so much

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cherie (50) · 7 years ago

ALSO , if you promote your posts ..meaning you PAY to put them in first positions , then more people can see them and you get more chances for rewards ..it is a pyramidal effect as well , so VERY tricky to go high

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cherie (50) · 7 years ago

i will vote for you as a witness arcange

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valued-customer (67) · 7 years ago

Thanks for helping me to gain understanding.

I am curious as to why there is the manipulation of rewards for curation dependent on time, and wealth. I see no good reason why an upvote of someone with a lot of sp three hours after a post should be valued any differently than an upvote from someone with little sp two hours after a post was made.

I can see why a post from someone with higher reputation might be valued more than someone with lower reputation, and do support this, as a means of preventing bad actors from harming good.

I am suspicious that varying the value of votes by the wealth of the voters permits gaming the system and potentiates a kind of economic censorship, in which the wealthy would have the ability to control the speech of the rest of the community.

While there are benefits of wealth, I do not think censorship, or a form of economic blockade, which is exactly what is happening to Youtube presently, is at all desirable, tenable, or beneficial the Steemit in the long run.

Indeed, if this is actually the case, which I am still trying to ascertain, that kind of systemic inequity will render Steemit both a tool of repression, and highly vulnerable to competitive platforms that do create fair valuations of peoples contributions to the community.

Are you able to help me understand better this aspect of Steemit?

Thanks!

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ooeygooey (25) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing . How does vesting work?

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flepmajoor (36) · 7 years ago

Thanks a lot for this explanation, clears up a lot.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks you.

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coinmaker (56) · 7 years ago

Great works Thank you for explanation

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happyphoenix (66) · 7 years ago

Nice sharing, thank you give information about reputation. :)

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zacharius (49) · 7 years ago

I was actually curious about this system and I didn't even know I was hehe.. thanks for such quality information. You've earned my measly follow ☺️

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks =)

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magick323 (54) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the tutorial. A lot of this is complicated. Thanks for breaking it down for minnows like me. Have a great weekend!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thank you!

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cryptodog (51) · 7 years ago

This is exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks for explaining it in an easy to understand way @arcange.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Glad it helped.

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makecents (45) · 7 years ago

Concise explanation of the reputation system, thanks!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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jakeswingle16 (57) · 7 years ago

Great article @arcange. That clears it up how voting works and how important keeping your reputation in good standing really is. One problem though with this setup. People being people and there's some oddballs out here i'm sure eveyone can agree, but who knows if that is a good thing or not. It seems we would have to judge people to come up with a final conclusion would it not? Not everyone is as social as we might expect. Maybe not as educated as we sometime expect either. Maybe in order to get in with the right crowd you have to pretend to be someone your not, and what good is that if you can't be genuine to yourself? I have a hard time understanding why someone would want to downvote something if they don't like it or whatever the excuse is. If you don't agree with it then why not have a conversation about it, or just leave the page alone and don't push anything? I get it if it's offensive but just out of your opinion your gonna give somone a black eye and they don't even get to know why most of the time. That is one thing i will never understand. It's like someone poking you in the eye and you don't even get to see who did it or why. If i look at a post and read it i do one of two things, comment and upvote or read it and leave. Why would i want to harm somones score. Maybe at the time i may not read it right but then if i go back at a later time i read it again and love it. I think it can have a big impact on why people want to get discouraged early because they don't understand it plus i think in my opinion it isn't the most perfect setup that it could become. I think we should look into why we should have a negative button to push. Maybe look into other options. Thank you for the clarity and maybe we can find the perfect solution so we can actually make this the go to platform that people want to use. Remember when this goes out to the public in mainstream we will have anyone and everyone coming on board posting like the wild west and we better have this profected by then.

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joeyarnoldvn (61) · 7 years ago

Be yourself and share yourself with people you like, engage in conversations more, brand yourself, give people some hope, inspiration, share your world with them, as that is how we grow.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks for you feedback.
PS: You should break up your answers with paragraphs. I nearly gave up reading it.

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magick323 (54) · 7 years ago

@arcange - you mention we should publish quality posts. Do you critique posts for newbies? If so, here is a chapter summary on my series about depression: https://steemit.com/health/@magick323/how-to-combat-depression-part-two-your-friends-are-assholes-and-other-hard-truths

I am wondering what I am doing wrong? Any advice appreciated!

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nrajesh (50) · 7 years ago

Loved this and shared this in a comment as well. Very nicely written

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thank you!

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bloomberg215 (54) · 7 years ago

Great post. Very informative. Thank you.

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dominikboecker (52) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing and providing a fantastic post on Reputation, lots learned!

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arian1 (40) · 7 years ago

A useful and interesting read! Thanks for sharing!

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teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago

Thank you. I'll check it out a bit later.

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coolbowser (67) · 7 years ago

I'm fairly new and didn't realize until yesterday that you can have a bad reputation. I guess it never dawned on me until I saw someone with a 5. Wow and it can even go negative. Thanks for the info. Great post.

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odigetti (52) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing those informations resteemed and followed :) !

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thank you

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pdoren (25) · 7 years ago

Thanks, very clear and useful!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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kyusho (68) · 7 years ago

Thanks... I do not get into the nitty gritty code of things, just sort of go with the flow. But your post caught my eye as I have been at 67 for a long time... and beginning to wonder.

Also my eSteem app has me at 68 on one page and still at 67 on others... so this was timely for me.

I should stick to the go with the flow thing.

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paulcolumbus (55) · 7 years ago

Good stuff, thanks for the breakdown @arcange i enjoy the daily winners too!

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mdog (49) · 7 years ago

thanks for explaining the reputation system... now i understand that getting to 60 reputation is no easy task

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

It's not an easy task, but it is not an unreachable target ;)

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erikaflynn (61) · 7 years ago

Great explanation! It was a big secret for me what is Reward Share and where it comes from.
I think It would be a good article for Steem centre wiki.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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anakinskywalker (38) · 7 years ago

Steemit is cool but not easy to understand. I still dont understand it. They try to explain it easy but I still dont understand the need for steem power, dollars and steem. Its too much for a newbie. lol i dont even understand the 50% payout deal. I just try to post and say fuck it. but im really lost.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

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anakinskywalker (38) · 7 years ago

i sure do master

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joeyarnoldvn (61) · 7 years ago

Funny Yoda meme here. Made my day.

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karensuestudios (71) · 7 years ago

Very informative. Just learned something new about Steemit!

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

That's what i was looking for thank you!

Could you detail "vote carefully (do not vote for crap posts, vote for appropriate content and authors)" What is termed a 'crap' post by the system?

Low word count, bad grammar?!

Thanks again!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Everyone has is own opinion on "crap post".
Just ask yourself "Would I give this author some bucks for this?"

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Yes I was wondering from a data point of view. E.g number of words, number of spelling mistakes. Anything like this built into the system?

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

No, there is no analysis of the content.
You can write post with one word , or as many errors as you want, it won't hurt anyone but your readers.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Great, thanks for the information on this.

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muhammadyasir (41) · 7 years ago

Great article explaining the importance of reputation. Thank you for this contribution to the community. However, I can't find the resteem handle ?

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks for your comment.
You can't resteem this post because it has been published "long time" ago.

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muhammadyasir (41) · 7 years ago

So, in how many days a post can be resteemed. Is it 7 days or more than that?

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avance2010 (42) · 7 years ago

This is a post 2 months old. Unfurtunately I was not able to re-steemit either.

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champok (32) · 7 years ago (edited)

Its great. Many things i have come to know from this post. Really its helpful for me as i am a new user of STEEMIT. Thanks again

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dez1337 (63) · 7 years ago

Great post @arcange. I had some strugles myself to understand the reputation system when I started so I guess this post is more than usefull for new members :)

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thank you

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avance2010 (42) · 7 years ago

I was wondering about that little number next to my name. This explanation was greatly appreciated and I will try to pass that info to the Spanish community of Steemit. You are wonderful Arcange. Thank you for taking the time to explain the numbers to us!!! Keep giving us more light about how the Steemit system works. I greatly appreaciate it. Upvote and re-steemit.

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bobbyboe (55) · 7 years ago

Very profound information. As you are very precise in your explanation, translating even the source-code for us non-coders (I really appreciated, thank you)... I was wondering if some of your information later on was on another level of "precision", or maybe I missunderstood some argument?
Your conclusion was...

To achieve this goal (raise your reputation)
• vote carefully (do not vote for crap posts, vote for appropriate content and authors)
• increase the number of followers and build your following list

I understood "voting for crap" wastes my votingpower that could be better invested in upvoting good content... but does it harm my reputation? how?
Increase and build up followers and specialy the following list... does this directly influence my reputation? and how?
I could understand the following argumentation: many followers... so many people have my post in theire home-tag and it might be more likely that they come back and vote again for my content... was that your argument? or is there any deeper more direct relation? (btw. I found that many people voting for me often without following me)
And the argument about the people I follow? Why ist very important to care for whom I follow with regard to my reputation?

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nikita.onopko (44) · 7 years ago

This really was very useful, thanks so much for that explanation!

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scorp (30) · 7 years ago

Thank you for explaining the reputation system clearly, I now understand better why reputation score is falling.

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angelro (58) · 7 years ago

Good explanation

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cryptopher (46) · 7 years ago

You put in good work on this one! Thank you!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thank you

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mbare (36) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the easy-to-understand explaination. I am suffering from low reputation due to being a new user and being downvoted/flagged by steemcleaners on one of my posts. Hope to recover soon by making more quality contributions to the community. Thanks again and all the best to you for this helpful post :)

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drguru (48) · 7 years ago

very nice thanks for sharing

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ilyastarar (64) · 7 years ago

This has finally cleared everything for me. Thank you!!!

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sathyasankar (63) · 6 years ago

But do you think reputation is still relevant? Anybody can buy reputation!

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harvz (37) · 7 years ago

nice! now I know.

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zacharyknight (25) · 7 years ago

This post is quite mathematical, I LIKE IT!
Thank you for taking the time to explain reputation.

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komo (43) · 7 years ago

Thank you a lot. This post really help me understanding what reputation on steemit means.

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austinhopper (53) · 7 years ago

How does voting carefully on things effect my reputation score? What is the math behind that?

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joeyarnoldvn (61) · 7 years ago

Voting on Steemit might be similar to an auction, to a bidding process. Some kind of game. You get rewarded for voting for something that goes on to reap larger rewards. Generally, the more votes, the more rewards there is. Some of that is mentioned in the post here. I've seen other posts about them. I don't have the math, the formulas here but have seen them before. But maybe you can at least get the generality of the voting system. Voting is impacted by your voting power. Each time you vote, your power goes down from 100%, step by step, towards 0% and it may take a few days for your voting power to go back up towards 100%. More voting power (%) means you may get more rewards, potentially. And the rewards are added to your total reputation score. You can see your reputation score at http://steem.cool

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jure (27) · 7 years ago

Thank you for in detail explanation :)

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wordup (33) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the post! After reading everything I felt like I just watched an episode of Black Mirror.

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scottcbusiness (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks so much will use this to explain to others!

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fairbee (44) · 7 years ago

You are rocking with posts Today. This is A must read one.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks! =)

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nodsaibot (25) · 7 years ago

Thanks for posting this, was a bit confused on how it related to my earnings or lack thereof lol

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dbennett (54) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this. It let me know that I'm basically on track and gave me ways to improve. Yay!

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coincussion (43) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the explanation and the breakdown of code with the meaning. It all makes sense to me now. I have definitely followed you!

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brianrets (29) · 7 years ago

I'm new to this amazing platform and I'd like to thank you Sir for this very helpful information.

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thenomadictales (56) · 7 years ago

@arcange Hi quite a valuable information. I've been reading few posts on reputation and have a small doubt on it.
While it says more the like you get on your posts, the positive will be the impact. Does this mean using bot for those 50-60 upvotes makes sense? I realize they don't have much value so how will that go? Sorry if that sounded like a stupid query.

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mzalevsky (36) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much, it was very useful for me.

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mariandavp (72) · 7 years ago

I am a Steemer since last August and I just found out how the reputation works! Lol. Thank you @arcange!!!

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Never too late to learn =)

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kongen (7) · 7 years ago

And where can we find the Reputation status???!! Follow me guys!

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epearson (47) · 7 years ago

This was very clear. I've been on Steemit a few weeks, and this helped fill some gaps in my understanding. I really enjoyed how you broke down the code. Thank again!

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heigovannik (47) · 6 years ago

Thank you for sharing! So the first meaningful milestone would be having 60 reputation points yeah?

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arcange (73) · 6 years ago

Not the first one, but a good one ;)

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powderskier (42) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this @arcange. I've been enjoying a lot of content from others that I follow with a +50 reputation and this post helps me understand how they got there. Good content, good following, and hard work! -Cheers

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