Addressing Steemit's Social Confusion

in steemit •  8 years ago  (edited)

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I recently read and replied to, a post by @joseph, asking why some early adopter, content creators were leaving the platform.

In his plea Joseph made a point , that has been bugging me these last few months, and his request for feedback about Steemit, finally jogged this thing loose.

We started as a reddit competitor and evolved into a medium competitor, then evolved into some sort of social media platform that I can not describe in words without being indecent. We need to protect the basics of social media.

~ @joseph

There it is in a nutshell, the thing that's been bugging me, nagging away at a deep corner of my mind everytime I try to explain Steemit to somebody new.

Who Are We?!

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Back in the misty days of a pre-payout Steemit; I wrote an article called; Steemit Will Not Be The New Facebook.

In the article, I basically lay out why I felt that Steemit shouldn't market itself as a new Facebook, because the financial incentive makes Steemit an entirely different proposition. I predicted that Facebook type posts would not gain any traction here for a number of reasons. One glaringly obvious one was that beyond your family and friends, nobody really wants to see pictures of your kids, food, or day out at the pub.

As I said, there were other reasons, but that isn't the point right now; the point isn't even the fact that I was right (although it's always nice). The real issue here is that Steemit is not like Facebook, nor is it like Reddit, as a fellow Steemian suggested when he released his article Steemit Will Be The New Reddit.

But why is this?

The welcome page says; *"Welcome to the Blockchain", then when you click on the learn more button, you are taken to a page which boldly declares:

Steem is a blockchain-based social media platform, where anyone can earn rewards.

This of course is a lie; not a malevolent one, but an unconscious one, one told in error rather than in malice. Because of course Steemit is not a social media site. It has none of the traits of any social media site today, and you may say; "but Cryptogee, Steemit is different, you can't compare it to other social media sites."

To that I would say; yes, you're right, however, in order for it to be classed as social media, it has to have social elements, let's look at them below.

  1. The ability to send a direct message to somebody you are following
  2. The ability to post to somebody's page you are following.
  3. The ability to tag somebody you are following into a conversation you're having with someone else
  4. The ability to set up groups and invite users, either by direct message or some other means.
  5. The ability to publicly post to a specific set of people

OK, number 5 could be argued to be a mishmash of points 2 and 4; however even if you add some of your own criteria, you have to agree, that every social media platform on the market, has the ability to do, some or all of these things.

In fact Whats App, is more of a social media tool than Steemit; but hey, wait!

I'm not negging on Steemit here; I love Steemit, it has fed me and my family for the last five months; no, no, no. I am simply saying, it is not a social media site; that is just a neutral fact, neither positive nor negative.

What we clearly are; is a blogging site.

Confusion And Cryptocurrency A Match Made In Heaven

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I consider myself a crypton00b, I made my first purchase with Bitcoin over 2 years ago; however I wouldn't claim to have been "a part of the community", from that moment.

My cryptobaptism begun entirely with Steemit. As the weeks and months have passed, I have slowly learned new things about the cryptocommunity.

One thing I have learned, is that confusion is often something that comes hand in hand with cryptoprojects. As with the wider aspects of life, the source of confusion can come from any quarter. Be it confusion over an ICO launch, or motives of developers and miners. Cryptoveterans understand this, and wryly smile as they see n00bs like myself panic over sudden changes.

I think Steemit has been confused, however it's not the standard kind of cryptoconfusion, I think this is a confusion between the founders' dreams and the reality of Steemit.

Clearly Ned and Dan wanted to create a social network, like Facebook or Reddit, whereby instead of becoming a company asset, without benefit. You were rewarded for the minutes, hours, days and weeks you spent contributing to the site.

All very commendable, and I'll praise them till the day I die for implementing such an idea so effectively.

However somewhere along the line, the dream went from being a social media site that rewards people for their efforts. To a blogging site that rewards people for their efforts.

Both concepts are great! The key point here, is; without advertising, people are getting rewarded for something that nobody else is rewarding for.

So what's the problem? Why am I even bothering to say anything?

Well, we have to go back to @joseph's post for that; it just got me thinking, that maybe, just maybe, people come here for a social media site that rewards you, see that it's a blogging site, with no apparent plans to change, and they leave.

Just a thought, but one worth exploring.

Deciphering The Crypto Code

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A rasa as Dr V.S. Ramachandran likes to call it. It is more than a feeling, it is everything that goes together with an experience.

So Twitter has a rasa, as does Facebook, Instagram and Google +. It is the functionality, feeling and emotion, all wrapped into one.

When you use sites that are connected to cryptocurrency, they too have a certain rasa, and to the new user, it is an intimidating one. Buttons are not where you expect, text is displayed too small and in unfamiliar fonts. The language used is technical and unwelcoming, as too are the associated web pages, a new user may click around a few crypto-related pages, and be none the wiser as to what he or she is reading.

It always amazed me how Reddit have the cheek to use the strapline "We're the front page of the internet." It surprised me for two reasons, the first being, I'm pretty sure Google have got a more valid claim to that line. Secondly, the rasa of Reddit, is very similar to that of the cryptocurrency.

The average person finds Reddit quite difficult to use and navigate; whereas somebody used to cryptocurrency, will find it just as easy as the average Joe does when using Facebook.

From what I can gather Ned and Dan are established in this community and therefore are used to dealing with sites with a certain rasa.

Add to this fact, that as with any cryptocurrency, the project is there to promote the coin, and not the other way around.

This means that a lot of their earlier efforts, were focused on getting the code to work; making sure that they had created a viable system, and then tweaking it from there.

Clearly there is nothing wrong with this, and it is what you'd expect, however if Steemit was being started with the kind of support and money it has had. With the one difference being, there was no cryptocurrency involved, then it would look very different, because it would have had a different set of people, thinking about a different set of problems, designing it.

The Expert Dilemma

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There is a malaise that befalls certain human beings, when they become expert in something. The problem manifests itself, as an inability to explain their expertise, in anything less than expert terms.

So trying to get Albert Einstein to explain relativity in terms a ten year old could understand, would have been very difficult for him. Because he had long since forgotten the simplifications used to help learn the subject.

We can witness this when trying to read and understand the whitepaper, some people who are experts like, @hisnameisolllie, who is an oil trader, they perfectly understand the document. Whereas novices like myself, find that even after reading over and over, still don't understand it.

Unfortunately what I think has happened with Steemit, is that the expertise of the team has shone through brilliantly when it comes to the application of the code. However not so well when it comes to applying the rules of a social media site.

Is this a problem?

No, not in the short-term, as long as we recognise what has happened and move on from it.

Future Decisions

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Let us now state what it is we want to be; if we want to be a blogging site, that's fine, let's put in the tools that will make this the best damned blogging site out there.

If we want to be a social media site, then let's do that, and put in those crucial social tools that every social media site has.

If we do go down the blogging site road, let's make sure we fix the tags and have them working like tags would work on any other blogging site. In other words, as a tool to find content, regardless of its age. And of course the big one, change that welcoming message to read blogging platform.

Conclusions

I am still optimistic about Steemit, I like to zoom out, and take a broader view, looking at 5 to 10 years down the line, when these times of turmoil, are looked back with great fondness; and I see a legacy that can shake things up and change the landscape, it just needs to define which landscape it wants to change.

Keep Steemin'

Cryptogee

So what about you guys? Do you see Steemit as a social media site, blogging platform, or neither? Let me know which way you think we should go.

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Steemit is a blogging site right now. This has it's pluses as well as it's minuses.

The only way Steemit can become a 'social media' site is when financial incentives are incidental to social engagement. For this to happen the site needs to find more ways to keep users engaged & shift the focus away from monetary rewards.

As long as 'rewards for blogging/ commenting/ curating' are front and centre of people's minds when they come to this site, it will not be a social media site.

My view is that Steemit should remain a blogging site and be refined to ensure that it becomes the 'home of quality content.' What would be beneficial is if there was another platform, powered by Steem, that was socially orientated.

Steemchat and Steemspeak show there is an appetite for social interaction among the Steem community. What would be great is if a 'Steemsocial' existed where people can earn micro-rewards for their engagement. More along the lines of slack or a chat site, where people can converse and get a slice of the Steem daily payouts for doing so.

A platform that is light and fun, with a small element of rewards, would be the perfect foil for the weigher content on Steemit.

It would also open people's eyes to the world of Steem and all it's possibilities. And free people from the notion that Steem is solely about Steemit.

Thank you Nanzo, I like this balanced approach, in the last couple of days I have heard some really good suggestions about where we should go and how we should view ourselves.

I like the idea of a Steem social, whereby people got a kind of interaction reward, as you say, this would make us more inclusive. Content producers would still get the highest rewards, however the users who provide the much needed attention, also get some candy :-)

Ned made a very good point in one of the Tattiana shows, and that is that Reddit started off as a porn aggregate, and morphed into what it is today. Therefore Steemit is coming from a really good early starting position. So I'm all for letting it be a blogging platform and the social side develops later, I'd just like to see a consistent message being shown to the outside world.

*Cg8

Nice post @cryptogree, I agree with @nanzo-scoop here -
steemit is a blogging site and should remain that, unique kinds of collaborations and posts occur here that I've never witnessed within any other sites social media or otherwise.

Also, "steemsocial" is a great idea and agree that there is plenty of evidence that steemians would be interested, I know I'm completely interested.

This is why, in a post I made about 45 minutes ago, I propose that instead of bombarding people with information about what Steemit is, we simply ask people to find out for themselves. This is a platform that people are trying to compare to other social media sites, but it has its own definition, I think. And I think it still needs to be figured out by the public at large. In other words, instead of comparing to Facebook, Reddit, etc....maybe we can simply advertise the website itself: "Steemit.com".
Nothing else, just that.

I'm reminded of the advertising campaign of the 90's about Rogaine. I know, weird product to think of right off the bat, but I recall not getting an explanation as to what it was. It was just a commercial showing men being men and it simply saying "Rogaine". People got curious about what it could possibly be because there was no explanation. It garnered TONS of interest before anyone really got any idea what it was. People were so curious they had to investigate it for themselves and come up with their own questions.

Why can't we do that?

It is fun to figure out what it is. It's like finding an easter egg.

Maybe tag line is people are getting paid on steem, figure out how it works!

Haha, I prefer the first thing you said as a strapline

It is fun to figure out what it is. It's like finding an easter egg.

:-D

Cg

VERY, very, good point; it made me realise another thing that's been bugging me; people are dog sick TIRED of social media. "Oh no not another one" is an unwanted reaction we'd like to avoid.

I like the simplicity of just Steemit.com; nice :-)

Cg

Yes....we are and some of us never joined it. Heres hoping Steemit is something different.

I also agree, it's quite unique enough to stand on it's own, without necessarily defining it up front. Doing so pigeon-holes it actually, and into something it's either really not, or won't be 30 days from now. Even tho I had some idea (as detailed in my other reply I came for blogging), I still had to spend quite a bit of time here to wrap my head around what exactly Steemit is. And it's already different from what is was once I thought I'd figured it out! It's so many things in one, and the launchpad to many other apps thanks to all the developers here. The state of constant evolution and testing seems to make it harder and more pointless to define summarily in fact.
"Steemit - the new way to Internet..." or maybe "Steemit - come evolve with us"

Exactly, it is a fluid thing; and being compared to established social media may lead to disappointment, it's best to just, suck it and see, rather than come with expectations.

Thanks for your comment.

Cg

I agree completely, and thank you. It just gets the "do we really need another social media site...?" reaction some times I think.

Gotta be careful with the word evolve/evolution, some people are allergic to it.

Haha, good point!

I like that Steemit is about experimenting, testing, and adapting.

I think steemit has the potential to be both a social network and a blogging platform. I think this could happen when we have the ability to create our own social networks on top of the steem platform, much like people have been creating social networks on Ning, Jamroom, Dolphin, Buddypress, Social Engine, and other platforms.

These social network platforms give a network creator (NC) a set of features that they can use to customize a site for their particular niche group. The NC has the ability to decide who their members can be -- they can open it up to the public or create a community through invites only.

They customize their look and feel by using built in design tools and/or hiring designers to customize the way the site looks, and by turning on or off the features of their choice and/or hiring developers to add new features. I've made my living the last 8 years as one of these developers.

I've heard talk of some sort of Group feature for steemit. That might allow NCs to come here and do what they do. Or perhaps it would take some non-steemit developers to do this on a side chain. I'm watching to see what happens here, and maybe I'll jump in at some point.

If we are able to create our own social networks on top of steemit, I think each one will be an experiment to see what works best. Some will lean toward the social end of things while others will be more blogging related and others can be more NC centric where the creator puts out most of the content. NCs can share ideas if they want, and there will likely be an NC community for steemit like there is on the other social networks I mentioned where things are discussed and shared.

Right now, we're all thrown into the same big pond and it takes a ton of work or money to move from being a little fish to a big fish. If we could create multiple littler ponds, then it would be easier for someone to become a big fish in a small pond.

Thanks for this article which stimulated me to put my thoughts into words.

...and excellent thoughts they are indeed! Thank you very much for this comment, and it just goes to show that we need input from as many users as possible.

I love the idea of people having their own networks on Steemit, and this is kind of where I see the future; in my sci-fi Asimov's Ghost I have created a universe whereby their are hundreds of competing networks all with one or more sidechains that live on top of the Quantum Blockchain.

Multiple ponds make for interesting times :-)

Cg

This is why I keep saying that one of the biggest problems with Steemit is that we have a HUGE amount of very intelligent and objective people who have GREAT perspective and this could be the biggest VALUE to the Steemit Community!
All Steemit HQ would have to do is create ONE account that made posts about updates and potential updates and looked over the BARRAGE of comments that would take place. They can ignore the complaining, judgement, projection, subjectivity etc and focus on the cool, clear and well thought out suggestions with real scope. Yet its NOT happening.
ITs a a MAJOR fail not only for us but for them as they have a FREE "focus group" of which many companies pay millions to establish. Just bad business.

So true, and the fact that we can now post and decline rewards, would mean that the Steem account doing that wouldn't attract any negative attention regarding votes/money etc.

I know what you mean when you say they could ignore the complaining; however complaining in itself is not necessary a bad thing. A company that listens and answers common complaints is a strong one.

Cg

Yes~
Yet again I cannot argue with you as you are so conscious with your words.
Yet to me "complaining" while maybe valid is only done by people with little value. People with GREAT value will not complain but make actual logical "arguments" and also "suggestions/solutions". To yes complain is a part of it as the MASSES COMPLAIN and if this platform wants to adapt to than they have to learn to deal with complaint, yet complaining in and of it self is a waste of energy and I hope to inspire people to much more valuable uses of time than complaining.

Thank you for posting @cryptogee. If one may add to the dialogue....someone wrote an article a month or so ago regarding this subject...presenting the potential for Steemit to overtake all social media platforms. However, it seems entirely possible for Steemit to become catagorized business, social, news sources, etc. There are those who are experimenting with it in various ways from well articulated, streamlined platforms to the most primitive. The cream will rise to the top. As any new frontier establishes itself there is a constant state of flux , if there is freedom....engress and egress. Individual freedom to fail or succeed.

As a brand new user to Steemit, having rummaged through a few different posts and pages stuffed with information, I find it hard to really want to classify Steemit as anything more than blogging. There aren't any big features available that really make it feel like social media.

Perhaps I just have more to learn, but a snapshot of my very first impression, these are blogs.

Thank you for this answer! I was trying to jump into the mind of a new user signing up today; and that is what struck me, that people like you may feel like they've been "miss sold" on the whole social media pitch. I'm sure people will notice this, please make sure to add your voice to any posts you see like this, and in chat as well.

A lot of the time we talk of "new user experience", without ever talking to any new users!

Cg

An excellent post, thank you. What's interesting, exciting and relatively unique about Steemit is we all get to watch, wait and participate in it's somewhat unpredictable evolution. Will it end up being an apple, orange or something else? It's like reading Steemit stories where the ending hasn't been written yet and even the author doesn't know which path it's heading on.

Excellent analogy! I am doing exactly the same thing with my sci-fi story; I have a general direction, a vague idea, and fill in the details as I go.

It is a wonderful ride indeed, and I never want it to end! :-)

Cg

I signed up thinking it was both.I am terrible at facebook.Never caught my fancy. In fact I felt spied on at times for gossip.I think I have logged in about 20 times this year.I have also been thinking the last fews years to do a memoir and when I saw a video on youtube about Steemit,I thought now was my time. So I have about 3 hours on this site. I search here and there,learn a few things to do and so on.I am no closer to my goal. I see I have a lot to learn. About the"chain",promoting,following,how to make this site useful to me with intentions of the owners of this site. I mean of course the lure of making extra cash is there. But, the task to comprehend is daunting. This is not a site for novice people who,for the most part give up as culture is bent that way.Maybe I just not have the person to follow to learn Steemit yet. I will stick with it. I want to do my writings that I have thought about this last 30 years or so.But, like I say I am not sure what to do,I will try and vote you up and and give ya a penny,I think and follow ya. I pretty sure I got some of this right.Earl

Hi Earl,

Thanks for adding your voice to this debate, it is good to get another new user putting their feelings, and experiences across.

It's interesting that you say that you don't feel Steemit is for the novice; I'm wondering is this because of a lack of FAQs, a help section, or more familiar social media tools?

I would advise, if you haven't done it already, to join Steemit chat; you can access it by clicking on the 3 horizontal bars in the top right of your screen. There you can get to know some more members of the community and also promote your posts.

Please stick at it, it feels daunting at first, but after a few weeks you'll be coaching novices on how to get a start on Steemit! :-)

Cg

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Thanks cryptogee,
Of Course I will hang there.The novice thing is just a true statement. Heck I visit my face book page about 0 to 6 times a month at (earlbenjaminlee). I talk to faces. I have been in sales 35 years. Just saying with out me telling you I am a newbie. You would tell. And the other side of that I do want to learn,I know it's like tying my shoelace and eventually I will get my hooks in deep enough/. So of course this a good place to be for the novice. Just doesn't take away the newbie feeling.
I will join Steemit chat. If I can't do it ...I'll be baaaaauck.
Peace Earl

Ha Ha ..did not know you could down on those 3 little bars. Cheers. Another lesson learned.
Peace
Earl

Steemit is NOT accessible to the masses or normal social media users. If Steemit is to have any chance whatsoever of being "mainstream" then it needs a much easier to use interface and MUCH MORE importantly much better PR and communications as to how the site actually works. It seems like the HQ doesn't even know what steemit is...

I agree with so much being said here.., and greatly appreciate a post such as this... When I came to steemit I understood it as "some kind" of blogging platform. Im aware of all the other social media sites and to be honest -- I have a facebook, don't use it. I've got a few twitter accounts, don't use them. I've been to wordpress and reddit... This is just different -- it is unique. It is Steemit. I particularly liked the @nanzo-scoop comment -- having steem social. Keep and build on what it is now, if that's blogging, then like you said -- make it the best damn blogging site on the web. By adding the social aspect, you can cross promote to both people that are into blogging on a quality driven site.., and you can get people into social media, with the steem social site. Then you introduce each to the other. All of a sudden, you have people that came for social media, blogging their faces off -- and vice versa. Like I said, I don't frequent any other social or blogging sites -- but something about steemit kept me coming back. And, it wasn't the money, because I wasn't making any when I started.., and i still showed up everyday. I believe in this site. I don't personally know anybody at the top.., but what they have done so far, is pretty damn cool, with the potential to be it's own thing. CHEERS!

I see a lot of new members start up, attempt to emulate the informational broadcast stuff, and quit. I don't have any problems with those who educate. It's necessary, but we all see people trying to fake it.

Many of those who've established themselves here like to promote their way as one of the only ways.

There are ways to take a facebook style approach and be successful here. It's all about the presentation.

So many here seem to treat this like a job, where they must hold themselves to a certain standard or be shunned by their peers. They forget to stop, take a step back, and maybe have a bit of fun as well.

Fun should be encouraged. I'm having fun. I made many of the same mistakes most new users make before they give up.

Things started to come together once I decided to just, do my own thing. People seem to be enjoying it. I hope more people come along with similar interests as myself.

The art scene is also doing very well here in my honest opinion.

It's very social. Facebook is anti social. People just need to learn how to be themselves all over again, instead of that easily distracted like button addicted meme sharing fiend. Pardon my language.

Totally get your point, and I was generalising when I said Facebook type posts. What I meant was, in general the type of post that gets lots of likes on FB. In particular political posts, and personal rants, don't gain traction here, simply because you're not in a homogenised silo of "friends" the facebook algo has chosen for you.

I do think there should be a fun side to it, and I like @nanzo-scoop's suggestion that a Steem social whereby people where rewarded for a more fun type of engagement.

All in all, I'm glad to hear you've been doing well and enjoying yourself at the same time, and I'm glad I've started this discussion. You and plenty of others have very valuable views on this; and I hope the "powers that be", get wind of these comments.

I think all in all, there is a lot of positivity, I just feel we are at a good point to stop, and look at where we've come from and where we're going.

Cg

Some of those rants. People are good at them. We often forget how our communication methods evolve. A huge wall of rambling text does not appeal to purists, but there is an audience for it. It might not be for everyone, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be accepted.

I'd hate to see selfie addicts take over, along with that sort of audience. I totally get what you mean, on many levels.

I really must get going though and I thank you for taking the time to do what you do here.

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Social media is a scourge in my opinion, and if Steemit is going to do that crap (which it easily could) I hope it keeps it in a separate pen called time wasting bollocks section.

Steemit can be unique, it can leave blogging platform to Wordpress, and censorship to Reddit. Personally I'm not looking for a new Facebook, I'm looking to avoid that.

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@sift666/is-steemit-the-future-of-the-internet-or-just-the-new-facebook

Really interesting take that I had not yet thought of. I do agree that this site does seem to be more of a blogging site than a social media site. However isn't this platform still in the "beta" phase? So doesn't that mean we have a lot of things to still add, and change before the final version of "steemit"? I think your points are very valid and someone better at coding than myself should try to add those functions to this site so it becomes a social media site as you said. Peace! Thanks for posting this.

Yes we are in Beta; however most of the changes so far do not seem geared towards social media. We have a follow button and that kind of works in the right way; however I'm sure stuff like a profile page, isn't that hard to code; yet we don't have one.

Like I said, that's fine; however I think it would be helpful if we all put our heads together on this and decide, at least the short-term goals for the site.

Cg

Ironic.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
—A. Einstein

Steemit is just one possible application of the steem blockchain tech. Think of it like a showcase. The original plan if I read it correctly was for other sites to adopt the steem upvote = $$$ idea by integrating steem, not steemit into their platforms.

That's why we feel like we have carte blanche with Havin to make it Steemit's farmville. It's just showcasing another use of the same tech.

The thing is that the people attracted to steemit aren't your normal social media types and most of us don't want nor care about those (mis)features that other sites have. They are the reason we stay away.

Nevertheless, when Havin has shipped and settled down a bit, the havin team will take what it's learned and use it to build a better steemit. It will still be on the steem blockchain and fully compatible with steemit, but we want these features too.

Absolutely William, I think Dan has said that from day 1, Steemit is the beginning, however if somebody started coding a new site for the blockchain from the point of Steemit's release, they still probably won't be halfway through yet.

So until that happens I think it's good to make our mark early on, seeing as we're the first. I guess I just wrote this article because I really wanted to know what other people thought about who we are.

Whilst some features for other sites might put certain people off, we shouldn't let that blind us to the functionality of some of those features. I like the idea from @nanzo-scoop, suggesting that group features will create lots of little "Steemit ponds" instead of everybody being in the Steemit ocean.

So group functionality will be very important as we go forward I feel, whether we call it social media, or a blogging site, or something new.

I don't know anything about the Havin team you mention; what's that all about?

Cg

Havin? It's sitting here on trending just under you...
https://steemit.com/steemit/@williambanks/havin-the-game-that-allows-you-to-spend-steem-dollars-in-the-real-world-huge-update

Basically pokemon go for business, backed by the steem blockchain and using real steem dollars as in game currency.

Fuckin A!

Cg

If Medium mated with Steemit, we'd have a killer platform. Medium has integrity, the real writers and a clean reputation. It lacks a monetization strategy. This place has the tech and money figured out but lacks professional writers. If they mated, the child would be untouchable and powerful.
The real writers are not touching this platform because of it's shady reputation. When you have a criminal as your headlining act, and don't bother to understand the ramifications of promoting people who have done enormous harm to innocent people, you have intelligent people, free thinking people lump it into a shitpile category. This is due to poor leadership, leadership that is geared towards money alone. Or just ignorance. Ignorance and oversight have led to the most egregious business mistakes in history. Funny thing is, everything can be fixed, but only if our ears are bigger than our desire to fill our wallets.

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I'd never seen Medium before but had a quick look just now - it looks to be pro Killary, pro global trade, and seems to have no idea that American politics is a puppet show... So my quick response is bollocks to Medium.

This thing of calling Jeff Berwick a criminal without naming him is kinda weird. He certainly is dodgy, but a huge number of people (including me) became aware of Steemit because of his actions.

For a real criminal I'd look at Killery Clinton or her boss Jacob Rotchild.

PS - I just realised that two months ago someone who was saying my post sucked was raving about Medium so I had a look - I didn't remember the site was called Medium but this is what I wrote back then:

"Now I've had a look at Medium, I have a totally negative opinion of it and won't be going back....
Self righteous PC numpties having a martyr self support meeting.
I think Steemit has a potential to change the internet and thereby change the world, because of the way it is set up. Steemit has only been online since March. And if I can earn some money doing it that would be great too"
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@sift666/is-steemit-the-future-of-the-internet-or-just-the-new-facebook

The majority of "real writers" like stellabelle calls them won't touch political subjects with a 10 foot pole, if they care about their reputation outside of political discussion anyway.

I wouldn't say Steemit has money "figured out". It is easy to create tokens and give them away. Having those tokens continue to be worth (significant) money is the hard part, and one that Steemit is so far failing to do.

Interesting I didn't realize medium didn't make money! Yet another reason to stay away from paying for these long post on steemit. We must stay as far from that model as possible!

Sorry writers, like would be actors and baseball players you must toil away for pennies because someone will always give it a try for free.

This is due to poor leadership, leadership that is geared towards money alone.

I made a comment about 2 months ago to this effect. I believe the real killer of Steemit will be greed from the top.

at this point i would call it a bait and switch site. lure people in with the promise of one thing and then give them something different and vastly inferior.

In what way, care to elaborate?

Cg

i've typed about a thousand words about it in the last week. i'm tired of writing here for nothing. i've begun saving my best writing and not posting it here, so i can take it somewhere that will reward me for it.

they sold this place as Get rewarded for your valuable content. then i get here and start putting up my ideas and nothing. the first bite i got was a heavy upvote on a throwaway comment on a post of no value. i guess i should count myself lucky i got that. almost everything that i worked hard on or thought had value to the community got a big zero, zero, zero.my second big bite was a stupid meme.
meanwhile, everything else goes into the content graveyard, never to be seen again.
i guess it isn't steemit's fault that the definition of value is so screwed up here.

i've said this already this week. it's like treading water in a whirlpool while wearing lead shoes. as soon as you let up at all, you're done.

then there is the abuse. i have seen hundreds of thousands of dollars being funneled out of the steemit platform, by dummy accounts with 25 reputation, zero posts, zero followers and zero followed. i'm watching one right now. money comes in, money goes to poloniex. no content added.

like i said, i've talked to many people this week about it, but i don't think there is a fix. we're all rats and this thing is going to the bottom.

First of all, I completely hear your pain and understand your frustration; your analogy of treading water in a whirlpool, with lead shoes on, is not a bad one.

I have been fighting to get a more realistic, long-term, outlook as far as content is concerned, as I don't feel it's productive to pressure creators to create every day or be forgotten.

However I wouldn't say that Steemit "lures" you here with a promise which it doesn't fulfill, the fact is you can get rewarded, however as you allude to in your comment, value is subjective and can seem skewed when viewed from a different point of view.

Please don't give up yet, even commenting on threads like this get you noticed; and like cream, quality will always, eventually, rise to the top.

Cg

The blogging stuff is good; people like skimming blogs, companies love to bribe bloggers. Like was said,the problem is a lot of writers are 'smash n grab' or just focus on doing what will gain payouts. A lot of authors love to write posts and appreciate that they get readers, but not comment on anyone elses very much. Strangely, it's the curation reward incentive that is unproductive

The most interesting thing is the creativity inspired in people on this platform. That's why I stick around. Some of the most interesting minds on the internet congregated in one place. If the social media aspect picked up, that would be great. Maybe there's something we can do as end-users to encourage engagement with our posts, think up some creative ideas.

I know @griff has a really fun interactive story.

Even if it's an experiment that's gone a little off course I'm sticking around to see what's next.

Most people who take issue with some aspects here like the platform just as much as anyone who only says positive things. otherwise why criticize? it's aka givin' a shit. There's better things if you're looking for debate (vaccine topic, big pharma etc.)

There's better things if you're looking for debate (vaccine topic, big pharma etc.)

You're confusing debate with ranting about conspiracy theories.

Cg

It's the low-hanging fruit of debate, maybe, but sometimes i really enjoy proving them wrong. Even if their denial is an impermeable fortress lol

I gave up trying to do that a long time ago; too much stress :-)

Cg

Definitely not just a blogging site, I'm sure I'm not the only one who will leave if that's the case. Now if separate categories were made for "short posts (facebook styles), short videos (like vines/instagram), long videos (YouTube), and long posts (blogs)" that would be just dandy and solve the huge problem of sifting through shit I don't want to see.

Honestly imo becoming and staying as a blogging site sounds like the worst method possible out of all the options for mass adoption.

Ps good post though, twas a nice read.

Totally agree with this.
The whole long posting "blogs" shouldn't define Steemit.
I heard the developers are coming out with a video posting section sometime in the near future, so I think they are working on it.

Video would really put us on the map; as having another place above youtube and Vimeo to post video would absolutely be a positive thing. I too have heard those rumours, and I hope they are true and someone or ones; are working on it now!

Cg

Totally agree, there is. Itching different about it as a logging site. Paid by Votes or ads clicked are really not that different.

Thank you for those comments; and it is good to hear somebody who is against the idea of a blogging site. Ultimately you are right, social media is more exciting; and the types of changes you mention would definitely help the usability and probably, the popularity of Steemit.

Cg

I guess I am confused, is there a number or word limit for something to be called a blog? Have you read Seth Godin's blog? Many of his posts are very very short and his blog is widely popular.

I don't see how a persons page or blog can't have a little everything and still be called a blogging site.

There is no word limit, ultimately a blog is a collection of a person, or group of persons' thoughts and opinions.

For me the main difference between a blogging platform and social media site is the amount to which you can react with others. For instance we can only ever interact through posts, that for me leans more towards blogging.

However this is a very social community, so in a way, the types of communications between us, is more reminiscent of a social media site.

Cg

Great post! I came originally looking for a blog site (I'm pointing three urls here now) and the fact that I could post for free on ad ad-free site was enough to define it and make me stay. The rewards and the social aspects became secondary, and I've of course adopted to really enjoying these features as well. Even to the point of investing my USD in Steem and obtaining the debit card for spending Bitcoin!
So all of the above being true, with hindsight, Steemit could also be branded as "the mainstream's sneaky intro to cryptocoinage!"

It has indeed been defined as the; "gateway drug to cryptocurrency", it is that and more; I think we should drop the social media tag for now. Let's see where this goes and then perhaps the definitions will become clear.

Cg

Great post.
There is definitely some uncertainty. I think paid to write is not unique. Paid to vote and comment is unique. ### We should focus on where we are differentiated.

But overall I agree, focus or a mission statement would help and we aren't really social media.

You're right, paid to write is not unique; however the manner in which we're paid is, and yes of course the voting is completely unique.

When you say we should focus on where we differentiate; are you talking about the voting, or the cryptocurrency element?

Cg

Mainly voting. Crypto isn't unique either, look at all the alt coins. However an alt coin that pays someone to do something very easy is unique as is the increase in steem power with time. But those two unique aspects lead us back to serving voters and steem power holders.

Aha, but what's unique is, not having to go through a confusing, complex and time consuming, process to set up a wallet to use those sites. Hence they only get used by people already in the cryptocommunity, not to mention that micro payments don't get anyone excited.

In my humble opinion, Steem has introduced more people to cryptocurrency in 6 months, than all the alt coins have in the last 5 years.

Cg

I'm one of those folks, for sure. I've spent more time learning about cryptocurrency and block chains, from reading posts and comments, than on writing my own posts. I did read the white paper right at the start and it's what got me hooked. It's all so different than anything I know. But I can learn with really low risk - just write and article or two and there I've created some value. It's small, but it's some value that seems more concrete - still abstract, too, lol.

You have hit the nail on the head; you can learn with low risk; and of course low technical knowledge.

Win, win :-D

Cg

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I agree with your overall premises that: a) it isn't clear about what it is trying to be, and b) it is more of a blogging site than a social site. Unfortunately, unlike many of the writers who have done well here and have replied in your comments embracing the blogging approach (perhaps dreaming of a return to the good times of earning a living from it), I'm pretty sure that being a blogging site is a dead end.

The business model of giving money to bloggers does not work. The writers just view it as a paycheck and cash out, driving the price of the coins down. Investors see no reason to put more money into the system only to see that money given away to bloggers. That is not a business model.

As a social site it could potentially work because users can engage in all sorts of activities with one another and create a thriving internal economy, including apps, games, premium features, etc. (we are of course a long way from that).

At this point I'm leaning toward a view that we ought to move away from both blogging and social, and focus more on the blockchain itself. It is extremely fast and efficient, has pretty nice ease-of-use via the web site, and a non-trivial number of people who already know about it and know how to use it. Those are unique selling propositions with clear value to end users, all of which exist right now and can serve as a foundation for growth. As a blogging platform or a social site, I can't really think of any thing unique to the platform that has a lot of value.

"we ought to move away from both blogging and social, and focus more on the blockchain itself." ... this is probably one of the best remarks I have ever come across on steemit over the past few months!

Really good point @smooth, I hadn't really thought of it from a growth point of view; what you say makes totally sense re investors.

I think the first think we need to instigate then, is a profile page; this may turn some users off, but it has the advantage of giving Steemit more of a social feel; which in turn makes it more inviting.

However like you said, the real excitement is in the blockchain and the future sidechains that take the Steem model and run with it.

Cg

Sorry to be dense, but what does this look like? Is there a sketch or outline of this somewhere?

I don't understand the question

While many of us benefit from the blockchain, not all of us grasp it's potential. I sure don't.

At this point I'm leaning toward a view that we ought to move away from both blogging and social, and focus more on the blockchain itself.

I'm simply trying to understand how this is a business model and what would be unique about it.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

[answering your lower comment because it reached maximum nesting]

Thanks smooth. I guess I was looking for specific ideas or possibilities. This would include things like platforms that interact with Steemit and are built on the blockchain, like @greymass' Reprint?

Yes, tools, services, games, etc. Other promising ideas are what @williambanks has been doing with the Havin game, linking the blockchain with real world locations and retail, plus a full featured mobile wallet to spend SBD everywhere. He also arranged for a hospital to take payment in SBD, and a medical school to post student work on the blockchain for accountability and detection/documentation of plagiarism. Etc. Or @furion's SteemQ project to use the Steem blockchain to power a video platform like Youtube. The possibilities are really endless, and this hasn't even touched the opportunties of sidechains or subchains.

Thanks for the clarity. I keep being amazed at the versatility and opportunity.

I answered this in my original comment:

It is extremely fast and efficient, has pretty nice ease-of-use via the web site, and a non-trivial number of people who already know about it and know how to use it. Those are unique selling propositions with clear value to end users, all of which exist right now and can serve as a foundation for growth.

Thanks smooth. I guess I was looking for specific ideas or possibilities. This would include things like platforms that interact with Steemit and are built on the blockchain, like @greymass' Reprint?

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

You know, people, including me have hard time taking advice from people who are favourites, making already thousands and trying to explain the obvious to the rest who are not as "lucky".

That's the biggest issue with Steemit that many shills refuse to accept. Sure you are a good writer but you are not x100 better. This is the main reason my friend.

So enough with your "cry baby" references while you roll in money. People are not idiots. This is the main reason people do not join. it keeps that "inside" circle with the "inside" thing going on. outsiders just watch the whole shenanigan and go "wtf".

is that simple really

I'm sorry you feel like I was somehow giving you advice. The point of my post wasn't to be negative in any way, as I quite openly say, Steemit has fed me and my family for the last 5 months.

This wasn't about how to get fairer rewards, or how to fix a broken voting system. This was merely meant to be a refreshing look at something we may have overlooked.

As far as the cry baby element, I can assure you I'm not crying, nor am I acting as an apologist for anybody "crying off" about loss of earnings. Far from it, I am merely saying that perhaps we are misrepresenting ourselves as a social media platform.

Perhaps you are right about people not wanting to join because of an inner circle, real or otherwise; however, that debate is for another comment section.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Cg

oh be sure. nobody overlooked. people know what a blockchain is. people associate the blockchain with bitcoin. and immediately there is the word scam and fraud attached to it for obvious reasons. The reason becomes more obvious when people like TDV, ex-cops, ex convicts trend around.

We are overanalysing something that is dead obvious. We shill our "culture" and for the outside culture this culture is shit. that's the brutal reality. We are perceived as scam not only from outsiders but also from other people in the crypto community as well.

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I still love the " Welcome to the blockchain" introductory banner. It's so exciting :)
Now that I'm here though....
It's not bad that the nature of the project changed as time passed. it's natural right? You make something for a purpose but people will use it for the BEST purpose maybe. Think about it: viagra was a heart-medicine at first...
So the idea is that the products is a conversation between creators and users, until it reaches a consensus on what exactly is its final use.
Marketing and all that can guide the direction but also can help for a faster consensus as more people hear about the product and join in. That's all good.
But then money come in the discussion and ....money have a weird effect on people. So, that's one of the reasons that steemit is yet unclear what it IS.
Another reason is that there's a confusion on what it SHOULD be even from the HQ. It seems to me they are as surprised as us of the evolution.
Certainly, we need more users to tell us how they see steemit and evolve the consensus. For that, we need a better interface, more features etc.
All this will come. I just hope it will come soon enough :)

I like the "Welcome to the blockchain" screen as well, it is the Steemit is a social media site that I don't really get. So far it is a blogging site and Steemit chat is the social side of our community.

You're right about consensus, and you're right about the evolution of the site surprising the founders, I think. They are cryptocurrency experts, not social media experts, so Steemit is what happens when you take those two variables and put them together.

You're right, I do hope it comes soon, and also that HQ communication gets better, hopefully Steemfest will help with that...

Cg

less hoping more doing :) We'll be there and hopefully we get the change to talk and communicate our expectations...it would be a pity not to be heard though...

Personally, I think Steemit would serve its users going down the road of a blogging platform over a social media website.

Allowing each account/user to create its own little space by designing a blog with the ability to create our own pages into how we want our content seperated would be awesome.

I personally have kind of out grown social media websites. I prefer to spend my time reading and learning rather than looking at pictures and short messages of other peoples day to day lives.

Blogging platform ;-)

That's it, @cryptogee. It's a blogging platform. And maybe it just is steemit. I see now that if we try to compare steemit to what is already out there, we limit ourselves to letting it become what it can evolve to be. Thought provoking indeed.

Pigeon holes are for pigeons! You're right, I am coming around to the thinking that Steemit is just Steemit, it's like @winstonwolfe said, we just advertise with the domain name and nothing else; let people fit it to their reality.

Cg

TBH, I see steemit.com as the raw product. It's up to developers to take that and forge it into a blogging platform(s) and/or social media site(s) via the front end. You can see that @faddat & @officialfuzzy are already working on a blogger. When making a video game, first you make it with "programmer's graphics," then pull in the designers to make it look slick. This is why we are still in beta—or, I would argue, alpha.

I dunno, we're pretty happy with the programmers graphics over on havin ;)
Funfact, minecraft was originally programmer's art too, but people just liked it and rolled with it and when he tried to make it look better he almost lost his users.

Haha, cool!

I agree 100%. I think as of now it is a blogging site, but I think the biggest potential is in becoming a social media site... I am just not sure how we get there from here.

I think if that is the case, then what it will take is the right social tools, and a fair bit of marketing.

Cg

I love the crazy graphic you made. It's hilarious.

It's pretty confused! :-)

Cg

Steemit is a social blogging vortex of ideas that might just spin itself into a gargantuan whirlpool, sucking up everything that gets near it. Unlike most blogging sites like Wordpress, there's a central hub where all blog posts are collected and read by other bloggers and curators. This allows for the free flow of ideas between Steemit users as we influence each others' writing. The money aspect further influences this cross pollination of ideas, as many writers are also investors in Steem and want it to succeed.

Medium has the social aspect, the central hub where everyone can see everyone else's stuff. But it doesn't seem to have this idea vortex like Steemit does, where I see articles pop up about the exact idea I was thinking of writing about that very day. It doesn't have developers swarming around it trying to expand upon the idea. It doesn't have the visionaries and dreamers imagining what this could be one day, and what it will be next week.

There are definitely issues that need tweaking. But they are being worked out little by little. Patience.

I see Steemit as a blogging site now too - one which got me back to blogging - something I'd been meaning to try again for a few years! I know little about current blogging platforms and options, except that many artist-designer-writer folks I know use Medium or are at least very familiar with it as the blogging platform of right now. I think the appeal there is that it functions and looks like a blogging site with a modern streamlined look that attracts an up-and-coming (hipster) crowd. I see Steemit as still finding itself and what it could be. The interesting thing is that it invites contributors to decide and add value. I really like that about it conceptually. Alas, it makes for site design that cannot be too focused /polished/branded at this point - which is something this aesthetically-minded (superficial, perhaps?) contributor had to get past :)

The project was built by believing that algorithms could solve all problems. This is regardless of human behavior.
Promoting Steemit was made with the slogan : "you are rewarded for good and original content". After 3 months, it is wrong, it is a lie.

You were Rewarded for the minutes, hours, days and weeks you Spent Contributing to the site.

You are rewarded according to the time of voting, who have the power of the vote (corporate vote), according to the automatic votes, bots, self promotion and topics.

The project is there to Promote the coin and not the content.

For a new user, after a few hours, his perception is that it is a scam, a ponzi sheme in the facts.
Yet, the concept can be great as long to make changes.
Seriously, how many new users are willing to write on a blog where few people read their articles and add comments.
How many new users accept that the vote be automatic without regard to content, that the vote is function of a corporate power($$) and not reputation?
And all for some non-legal coins!
And to recover those few coins, most of which are frozen for at least 2 years, you must learn market of crypto-currencies and exhange.
Such a market is limited to a very small community and may be unattractive to investors.

YES. I commented on @joseph's post that although I'm happy with the financial reward I've gotten here, and I'm a prolific commenter, I feel "lonely" which isn't how most people should feel on a social media platform.

Good point, I think @nanzo-scoop's idea of Steem social would be a great way to keep what we have and add a social element to it.

Cg

All the "WOW STEEMIANS LETS BE FRIENDS FOREVER I LOVE THIS PLACE" people are leaving because they're no longer getting $2500 per post.

Gee whiz colour me surprised. I predicted this months ago.

nice post @cryptogee, clearly steemit has become a platform of creators and thinkers, your post indeed is proof ! It is an organic tree and will grow i feel accordingly. Just needs time, light and lots a Love !)

A beautiful analogy!

Cg

thank you i think my image is correct too ! )

Thanks for posting this @cryptogee. It's a needed discussion.

IMO, Steemit will thrive on the various projects built around it. That could be any number of things. Honestly, I really don't understand the tech, but am looking forward to seeing what folks do with it and finding ways I can plug in and add value. And I'm working on a couple of ideas myself.

For now, it seems like a blogging site with some social site tendencies. There are opportunities to make a buck from decent content, which helps. But alone I just don't think it can thrive this way. Maybe it needs complementary services or products.

Yeah, I guess I'm a bit confused. Did you make that picture with me in mind?

It was made just for you :-)

Cg

O-o
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. ;)

Perhaps we should play a little game:

Let's say I'm an investor with deep pockets.
Steemit is looking for investors.
Sell it to me! Why would I invest in Steemit?

EDIT: I started a discussion along these lines. :)

When I first got here and read the white paper, I saw Steemit as just using this blog/social platform as the testbed for the underlying technology behind it.Our posts and other interactions are just the path where human tendencies play out -- to abuse or game the system, to discover gaps and opportunities that the technology will support, what kinds of prompts and reward systems people respond to, and more. So even though I'm just a lab rat, it's best for me to have other goals while I'm here, even though I may be "phased out" at any time. One of my goals is so stay connected with emerging technology/human connections and to be able to adapt to changes. Steemit is way more approachable than robotics or medical technology, and adaptation here is more interesting to me than in a Farmville- or Minecraft-like game.

The product decisions are not "blogging site xor social network".

If you think of a blogging site, you think of a set of features.

If you think of a social network, you think of a set of features.

Some of these features exist in both lists, such as "commenting" and "following/friends".

Steemit is unlike anything that has come before, and is going to implement the best features from all of these previous models.

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